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[hackem] Fire damage doesn't have an effect on a monster vulnerable to fire?

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by: Janis Papanagnou - Sat, 27 May 2023 16:02 UTC

I am wearing armor that has a passive fire counter-attack, and in
Vlad's tower I saw this monster that is vulnerable to fire:

Status of the shadow ogre (male, chaotic): Level 15 HP 101(101)
AC -2, vulnerable to fire.

The shadow ogre touches you! The shadow ogre is suddenly on fire!
Your armor does not appear to affect the shadow ogre

How is that (ineffectivity-)message to be interpreted here?

Janis

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by: RecRanger - Sat, 27 May 2023 18:46 UTC

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 12:03:54 PM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> I am wearing armor that has a passive fire counter-attack, and in
> Vlad's tower I saw this monster that is vulnerable to fire:
>
> Status of the shadow ogre (male, chaotic): Level 15 HP 101(101)
> AC -2, vulnerable to fire.
>
> The shadow ogre touches you! The shadow ogre is suddenly on fire!
> Your armor does not appear to affect the shadow ogre
>
> How is that (ineffectivity-)message to be interpreted here?
>
> Janis

There are several monsters in EvilHack that do this. There are several
weaknesses (just elemental?) that do not work. I think it _may_ be
longstanding bug that is yet to be figured out?

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by: Janis Papanagnou - Sun, 28 May 2023 01:11 UTC

On 27.05.2023 20:46, RecRanger wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 12:03:54 PM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> I am wearing armor that has a passive fire counter-attack, and in
>> Vlad's tower I saw this monster that is vulnerable to fire:

I have to correct myself; the passive fire counter-attack stems from
the Candle of Eternal Flame that I am carrying. (Not sure the actual
source of that passive counter-attack matters.)

>> Status of the shadow ogre (male, chaotic): Level 15 HP 101(101)
>> AC -2, vulnerable to fire.
>>
>> The shadow ogre touches you! The shadow ogre is suddenly on fire!
>> Your armor does not appear to affect the shadow ogre

Maybe this meant that another armor property was ineffective, maybe
that of the deep dragon scaled armor? - Is there a passive draining
effect of that type of armor armor?

(Anyway that message could have been made more informative, like
"Your armor's <property> does not appear to affect the <monster>.")

>>
>> How is that (ineffectivity-)message to be interpreted here?
>
> There are several monsters in EvilHack that do this. There are several
> weaknesses (just elemental?) that do not work. I think it _may_ be
> longstanding bug that is yet to be figured out?

I don't know.

Janis

Subject	Author
[hackem] Fire damage doesn't have an effect on a monster vulnerable	Janis Papanagnou
[hackem] Fire damage doesn't have an effect on a monster	RecRanger
[hackem] Fire damage doesn't have an effect on a monster	Janis Papanagnou