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* [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?Janis Papanagnou
`* [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?Pat Rankin
 `* [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?Janis Papanagnou
  `- [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?Erik L

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From: janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com (Janis Papanagnou)
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Subject: [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?
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 by: Janis Papanagnou - Wed, 31 May 2023 09:55 UTC

In the Wiki I read: "The passtune range has been extended by 1 (xnh)"
but in the Hack'EM source I still see (for non-Amiga platforms) only
seven notes ("What tune are you playing? [5 notes, A-G]"), any 'H'
converted to 'B', and no checks or conversions for other notes. It
seems the passtune mastermind code difficulty is still 7x5 (not 8x5
nor 7x6) [colors x positions]. - Is the "extended by 1" describing
only the H->B conversion or what am I missing?

Janis

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Subject: Re: [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?
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 by: Pat Rankin - Wed, 31 May 2023 17:39 UTC

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:55:19 AM UTC-7, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> In the Wiki I read: "The passtune range has been extended by 1 (xnh)"
[...]

I read that as "you can play the tune from one step farther
away" than previously. In nethack you need to be adjacent to
either the span spot (where the bridge will be when lowered)
or the portcullis spot (the "closed door" when raised) or both.
So when outside, you need to be next to--or in--the moat in
order to be close enough to the bridge for the notes to matter.

Extending the range by 1 means you won't have to be adjacent.
I don't know why that would be significant, unless the bridge
produces an area effect (possibly only when destroyed) or some
of the moat monsters have been given a longer attack range.

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Subject: Re: [hackem] Passtune range changed or not?
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 by: Janis Papanagnou - Wed, 31 May 2023 19:41 UTC

On 31.05.2023 19:39, Pat Rankin wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:55:19 AM UTC-7, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> In the Wiki I read: "The passtune range has been extended by 1 (xnh)"
> [...]
>
> I read that as "you can play the tune from one step farther
> away" than previously. [...]

You are right...

for (y = u.uy - 2; y <= u.uy + 2; y++)
for (x = u.ux - 2; x <= u.ux + 2; x++)

In Nethack[343] these offsets (-2/+2) had been -1/+1.

Janis

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 by: Erik L - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 14:26 UTC

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 9:41:20 PM UTC+2, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 31.05.2023 19:39, Pat Rankin wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:55:19 AM UTC-7, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> >> In the Wiki I read: "The passtune range has been extended by 1 (xnh)"
> > [...]
> >
> > I read that as "you can play the tune from one step farther
> > away" than previously. [...]
>
> You are right...
>
> for (y = u.uy - 2; y <= u.uy + 2; y++)
> for (x = u.ux - 2; x <= u.ux + 2; x++)
>
> In Nethack[343] these offsets (-2/+2) had been -1/+1.
>
> Janis

I have updated the wiki for clarification.

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