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* [the few] is more likely to mean [a few] or [few] ?HenHanna
+* Re: [the few] is more likely to mean [a few] or [few] ?Anton Shepelev
|`- Re: [the few] is more likely to mean [a few] or [few] ?Peter Moylan
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 by: HenHanna - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 08:17 UTC

[the few] is more likely to mean [a few] or [few] ?

The answer is few.

While both "few" and "a few" refer to a small number, they have a subtle
difference in meaning:

[Few] emphasizes the lack of something and often carries a negative
connotation. It implies that there is not a lot of something.

[A few] emphasizes the existence of something, even if it's a small
amount. It carries a more neutral connotation, simply stating that there
is some amount, but not a large quantity.

Therefore, in the phrase "the few," the emphasis is on the scarcity of
something, aligning with the meaning of "few" rather than "a few."

__________________________

Sometimes [the few] can mean A LOT.

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 09:01 UTC

HenHanna:

> Therefore, in the phrase "the few," the emphasis is on the
> scarcity of something, aligning with the meaning of "few"
> rather than "a few."

Unless `the few' refer to a previous instance of `a few'.
What was the point of your post? -- it has ask no questions,
nor invites discussion.

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 by: Aidan Kehoe - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 09:57 UTC

Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:

> [...] Sometimes [the few] can mean A LOT.

About 3,000 in 1940, apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_was_so_much_owed_by_so_many_to_so_few#Legacy

(Yes, yes, “the few” wasn’t in the speech, but it was routinely phrased as
such.)

--
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How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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 by: Peter Moylan - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 10:23 UTC

On 05/03/24 20:01, Anton Shepelev wrote:

[Quoting HenHanna]

> What was the point of your post? -- it has ask no questions, nor
> invites discussion.

HenHanna is not in the habit of posting things that have a point. But
thanks for reminding me: I need to update my killfile.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: HenHanna - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 11:48 UTC

Aidan Kehoe wrote:

> Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:

> > [...] Sometimes [the few] can mean A LOT.

> About 3,000 in 1940, apparently:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_was_so_much_owed_by_so_many_to_so_few#Legacy

> (Yes, yes, “the few” wasn’t in the speech, but it was routinely phrased as
> such.)

"The Few. The Proud. The Marines." has been used by the Marine Corps since 1977. It won a place on Madison Avenue's Advertising Walk of Fame during Advertising Week 2007.

As of 2022, the USMC has around 177,200 active duty members and some 32,400 personnel in reserve.

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 by: HenHanna - Tue, 5 Mar 2024 22:08 UTC

HenHanna wrote:

> Aidan Kehoe wrote:

>> Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:

>> > [...] Sometimes [the few] can mean A LOT.

>> About 3,000 in 1940, apparently:

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_was_so_much_owed_by_so_many_to_so_few#Legacy

>> (Yes, yes, “the few” wasn’t in the speech, but it was routinely phrased as
>> such.)

> "The Few. The Proud. The Marines." has been used by the Marine Corps since 1977. It won a place on Madison Avenue's Advertising Walk of Fame during Advertising Week 2007.

> As of 2022, the USMC has around 177,200 active duty members and some 32,400 personnel in reserve.

Compared to astronomically large numbers, 177,200 can be [a few] or [the few]

but Otherwise, describing 3,000 as [a few] or [the few] seems a stretch!!!

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 by: navi - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 03:59 UTC

I don't know what's going on, but it seems that the OP is a reply to a question I asked recently.

Many HenHanna is trying to help me out.

Respectfully,
Navi

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 by: Aidan Kehoe - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 10:29 UTC

Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:

> Compared to astronomically large numbers, 177,200 can be [a few] or [the few]
>
> but Otherwise, describing 3,000 as [a few] or [the few] seems a stretch!!!

The full quote was “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so
many to so few.” The ‘so many’ was the British population of 47 million, a
figure much higher than 3,000.

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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 by: Peter Moylan - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 12:04 UTC

On 06/03/24 21:29, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>
> Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:
>
> > Compared to astronomically large numbers, 177,200 can be [a few] or [the few]
> >
> > but Otherwise, describing 3,000 as [a few] or [the few] seems a stretch!!!
>
> The full quote was “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so
> many to so few.” The ‘so many’ was the British population of 47 million, a
> figure much higher than 3,000.

Ná déan an botún ag glacadh leis go bhfuil aon rud ciallmhar ráite ag
HenHanna.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: Adam Funk - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:04 UTC

On 2024-03-06, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 06/03/24 21:29, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>>
>> Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:
>>
>> > Compared to astronomically large numbers, 177,200 can be [a few] or [the few]
>> >
>> > but Otherwise, describing 3,000 as [a few] or [the few] seems a stretch!!!
>>
>> The full quote was “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so
>> many to so few.” The ‘so many’ was the British population of 47 million, a
>> figure much higher than 3,000.
>
> Ná déan an botún ag glacadh leis go bhfuil aon rud ciallmhar ráite ag
> HenHanna.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

--
I never met a people who were better at not getting to the
point than the Brits. ---Rich Hall

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 by: Aidan Kehoe - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 16:52 UTC

Ar an séiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh Peter Moylan:

> On 06/03/24 21:29, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
> >
> > Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh HenHanna:
> >
> > > Compared to astronomically large numbers, 177,200 can be [a few] or [the few]
> > >
> > > but Otherwise, describing 3,000 as [a few] or [the few] seems a stretch!!!
> >
> > The full quote was “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed
> > by so many to so few.” The ‘so many’ was the British population of 47
> > million, a figure much higher than 3,000.
>
> Ná déan an botún ag glacadh leis go bhfuil aon rud ciallmhar ráite ag
> HenHanna.

Níl an t-am atá mé ag caitheamh sa grúpa seo (sci.lang) ró tábhachtach. Bheadh
sí níos fearr caint an t-am ar fad faoi teangeolaíocht, ach níl sé sin mar atá
an idirlíon. Tá fhios agam go bhfuil daoine ann gan intinn ró láidir.

Go raibh maith agat, áfach. Níl mé sa Usenet anois ach trí mhí (bhíos anseo
scór bliain ó shin) agus is é daoine difriúil atá anois ann.

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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 by: Silvano - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 17:29 UTC

Aidan Kehoe hat am 06.03.2024 um 17:52 geschrieben:
>
> Ar an séiú lá de mí Márta, scríobh Peter Moylan:
>
> > Ná déan an botún ag glacadh leis go bhfuil aon rud ciallmhar ráite ag
> > HenHanna.
>
> Níl an t-am atá mé ag caitheamh sa grúpa seo (sci.lang) ró tábhachtach. Bheadh
> sí níos fearr caint an t-am ar fad faoi teangeolaíocht, ach níl sé sin mar atá
> an idirlíon. Tá fhios agam go bhfuil daoine ann gan intinn ró láidir.
>
> Go raibh maith agat, áfach. Níl mé sa Usenet anois ach trí mhí (bhíos anseo
> scór bliain ó shin) agus is é daoine difriúil atá anois ann.

ローマの七丘に加えてカンプス・マルティウスやテヴェレ川の右岸であるトラス
テヴェレ地区を囲んでいる。しかし、カンプス・マルティウスのテヴェレ川の河
岸には何の防備もされていなかった。

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Wed, 6 Mar 2024 17:36 UTC

On 2024-03-06 17:29:25 +0000, Silvano said:

> ローマの七丘にåŠ
> えてカンプス・マルティウスやテヴェレ川の右岸であるトラス
>
> テヴェレ地区を囲んでいる。しかし、カンプス・マルティウスのテヴェレ川の河
>
> 岸には何の防備もされていなかった。

Unfortunately Google Translate can't cope with that, but it did OK with
the two preceding messages.

--
Athel cb

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 by: HenHanna - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 00:16 UTC

navi wrote:
> I don't know what's going on, but it seems that the OP is a reply to a question I asked recently.
>
> Many [Maybe] HenHanna is trying to help me out.
>
> Respectfully, Navi

yes... it's a well-kept secret (in AUE) what a helpful person HenHanna really is.

So the tentative conclusion (of the Orig.Post is) is...

[the few] is more likely to mean (something closer than) [few] than [a few]

i disagree with it. my take is...

[a few] is presented... (or implicit) So next time, the group is [the few]

_______________________________

to the bloke writing in Irish....

(i studied Irish using that great 3-CD set)

Tell us about Expressions, quirks, or Proverbs in Irish or Hiberno-English, over in Sci.Lang.

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 by: Opinicus - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 04:54 UTC

On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 16:52:38 +0000, Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
wrote:


> Níl an t-am atá mé ag caitheamh sa grúpa seo (sci.lang) ró tábhachtach. Bheadh
> sí níos fearr caint an t-am ar fad faoi teangeolaíocht, ach níl sé sin mar atá
> an idirlíon. Tá fhios agam go bhfuil daoine ann gan intinn ró láidir.
>
> Go raibh maith agat, áfach. Níl mé sa Usenet anois ach trí mhí (bhíos anseo
> scór bliain ó shin) agus is é daoine difriúil atá anois ann.

<Bard>
The time I spend in this group (sci.lang) is not very important. It
would be better to talk about linguistics all the time, but that's not
how the internet is. I know there are people here without very strong
opinions.

Thank you, however. I have only been on Usenet for three months now (I
was here twenty years ago) and there are different people here now.
</Bard>

There are indeed.

--
Bob
The people your parents warned you about

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