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 by: Anton Shepelev - Thu, 7 Mar 2024 23:29 UTC

Congratulations with the International Women's Day:

https://freeshell.de/~antonius/file_host/05-CrazyLittleThingCalledLove.flac

Above is my recording of a colleague performing /Crazy
Little Thing/ that I made in an empty theatrical hall of a
local museum, which can be heard. This a true stereo
recording, made with an AB pair of Nady CM-100
omnidirectional microphones. The resulting stereo phonogram
has not been edited, modified, or enhanced in any way.

I also have some bonus treats: one is an early TV
performance of the Bravo band with the great Jeanne
Aguzarova as lead singer:

https://youtu.be/3pjecgDcWrI?si=NcJlqwAxpoQpLryl&t=931

In those days, Bravo recorded plain old rock'n'roll, twist
and raggae (and still do, to my knowledge). Jeanne,
however, soon left Bravo to pursue a solo career, but her
work eventually degraded into something cacophonous and
meaningless.

The other bonus is a song by the most feminine Soviet and
Russian group, The Kolibiri -- an all-women group competing
in a male-dominated niche without even a manager.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRkowfoJYY

/He don't need an American Wife/. They wrote it when the
husband left one of the members with a parting note saying:
"I don't need an American wife," alluding to her independent
lifestyle.

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 by: HVS - Fri, 8 Mar 2024 14:35 UTC

On 07 Mar 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote

> Congratulations with the International Women's Day:
>
> https://freeshell.de/~antonius/file_host/05-CrazyLittleThingCall
> edLove.flac
>
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> The other bonus is a song by the most feminine Soviet and
> Russian group, The Kolibiri -- an all-women group competing
> in a male-dominated niche without even a manager.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRkowfoJYY
>
> /He don't need an American Wife/. They wrote it when the
> husband left one of the members with a parting note saying:
> "I don't need an American wife," alluding to her independent
> lifestyle.

Given the lyrics, did you mean "most feminist" rather than "most
feminine"?

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:57 UTC

HVS to Anton Shepelev:

> > /He don't need an American Wife/. They wrote it when
> > the husband left one of the members with a parting note
> > saying: "I don't need an American wife," alluding to her
> > independent lifestyle.
>
> Given the lyrics, did you mean "most feminist" rather than
> "most feminine"?

In spite of the holiday origin and of the specific song, I
did mean what I wrote (this time).

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 by: jerryfriedman - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 05:02 UTC

Anton Shepelev wrote:

> Congratulations with the International Women's Day:
...

As far as I know, "Congratulations" isn't used for holidays. We
use it when we're happy for somebody about some individual thing
(or ironically). I might say, or expect to hear, "Happy
International Women's Day." Also "congratulations" doesn't go with
"with". I say "congratulations on [something]."

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Hibou - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 08:15 UTC

Le 09/03/2024 à 05:02, jerryfriedman a écrit :
> Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations with the International Women's Day:
> ..
>
> As far as I know, "Congratulations" isn't used for holidays.  We
> use it when we're happy for somebody about some individual thing
> (or ironically).  I might say, or expect to hear, "Happy
> International Women's Day."  Also "congratulations" doesn't go with
> "with".  I say "congratulations on [something]."

Yes, 'congratulations' goes with a pleasing event or achievement -
"Congratulations on your 40th anniversary", 'happy' or some equivalent
with a festival or celebration - "Happy birthday!" - "Merry Christmas!"

I'm sceptical about thing days, which are overdone to the point of
losing meaning. Like Tube trains, if you miss one, don't worry; the
rails are already rattling with the next one:

<https://www.un.org/en/observances/list-days-weeks>

And that's only international ones.

That said, it's interesting that yesterday the French sealed the right
to abortion into their constitution. Macron spoke; Marianne for her part
kept, er... mum:

<https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/macron-abortion-rights-france-updates-constitution>

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 by: Hibou - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 08:18 UTC

Le 09/03/2024 à 05:02, jerryfriedman a écrit :
> Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations with the International Women's Day:
> ..
>
> As far as I know, "Congratulations" isn't used for holidays.  We
> use it when we're happy for somebody about some individual thing
> (or ironically).  I might say, or expect to hear, "Happy
> International Women's Day."  Also "congratulations" doesn't go with
> "with".  I say "congratulations on [something]."

Yes, 'congratulations' goes with a pleasing event or achievement -
"Congratulations on your 40th anniversary", 'happy' or some equivalent
with a festival or celebration - "Happy birthday!" - "Merry Christmas!"

I'm sceptical about thing days, which are overdone to the point of
losing meaning. Like Tube trains, if you miss one, don't worry; the
rails are already rattling with the next one:

<https://www.un.org/en/observances/list-days-weeks>

And that's only international ones.

That said, it's interesting that yesterday the French sealed the right
to abortion into their constitution. Macron spoke; Marianne for her part
kept, er... mum:

<https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/macron-abortion-rights-france-updates-constitution>

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 12:05 UTC

jerryfriedman (aka Jerry Friedman) to Anton Shepelev:

> > Congratulations with the International Women's Day:
>
> As far as I know, "Congratulations" isn't used for
> holidays. We use it when we're happy for somebody about
> some individual thing (or ironically). I might say, or
> expect to hear, "Happy International Women's Day." Also
> "congratulations" doesn't go with "with". I say
> "congratulations on [something]."

So I made a double mistake: with the noun and the
preposition, because this is how we say it in Russian. We
do /congratulate/ people /with/ their birthdays and relevant
holidays, so that, for example, one may congratulate one's
fellow programmers on the 128th day of the year. The
standard translation of `congratulate' into Russian is
`pozadravlyat' -- a verb meaning to wish good health, and by
extension to express any good wishes on a proper occasion,
be that an event, achievement, or professional holiday.

P.S.: Congratulations on switching to RockSolid Light,
Jerry.

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 by: Qruqs - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:54 UTC

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 05:02:31 +0000, jerryfriedman wrote:

> Also "congratulations" doesn't go with
> "with". I say "congratulations on [something]."

Where I come from we say (translated to English) "Congratulations on"
your birthday, for example. But we also say "Congratulations to" your
diploma/exam/whatever, i.e. if it refers to a distinct thing.

--
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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 20:06 UTC

On 09-Mar-24 8:18, Hibou wrote:
> Le 09/03/2024 à 05:02, jerryfriedman a écrit :
>> Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations with the International Women's Day:
>> ..
>>
>> As far as I know, "Congratulations" isn't used for holidays.  We
>> use it when we're happy for somebody about some individual thing
>> (or ironically).  I might say, or expect to hear, "Happy
>> International Women's Day."  Also "congratulations" doesn't go with
>> "with".  I say "congratulations on [something]."
>
> Yes, 'congratulations' goes with a pleasing event or achievement -
> "Congratulations on your 40th anniversary", 'happy' or some equivalent
> with a festival or celebration - "Happy birthday!" - "Merry Christmas!"

It's a tricky area.
I wouldn't "congratulate" someone on their birthday, since that isn't
really something they have achieved (there is a point where surviving to
yet another birthday _is_ an achievement, but that's a more complicated
issue).
A wedding anniversary can be worthy of congratulations since divorce
seems a common option these days.

--
Sam Plusnet

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