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From: ed@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer)
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Subject: Veritas ob probationem data
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 20:37:48 +0100
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 by: Ed Cryer - Sat, 3 Jun 2023 19:37 UTC

Quid tunc est veritas? Est quidem exercitus mobilis metaphorarum,
allegoriarum, imaginum humanarum; denique summa cognationum humanarum
quae sunt amplificatae, transpositae, adornatae poetice et oratorie
usque adeo ut videantur certae, legales, necessariae populis. Veritates
enim sunt illusiones de quibus non iam scimus esse eas huius generis;
metaphorae tritae et sine potentia sensibili; nummi qui suis picturis
amissis nunc valent tantummodo suo metallo, non iam pecunia."
“What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and
anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been
enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and
which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people:
truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what
they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins
which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer
as coins.”
(Friedrich Nietzsche, On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense)

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From: ed@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer)
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 by: Ed Cryer - Sat, 3 Jun 2023 20:27 UTC

Ed Cryer wrote:
> Quid tunc est veritas? Est quidem exercitus mobilis metaphorarum,
> allegoriarum, imaginum humanarum; denique summa cognationum humanarum
> quae sunt amplificatae, transpositae, adornatae poetice et oratorie
> usque adeo ut videantur certae, legales, necessariae populis. Veritates
> enim sunt illusiones de quibus non iam scimus esse eas huius generis;
> metaphorae tritae et sine potentia sensibili; nummi qui suis picturis
> amissis nunc valent tantummodo suo metallo, non iam pecunia."
>
> “What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and
> anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been
> enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and
> which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people:
> truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what
> they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power; coins
> which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no longer
> as coins.”
> (Friedrich Nietzsche, On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense)
Ante omnia necesse est instituere hoc loco quid tandem dicat Nietzsche.
Non enim quid sit melius vel quid sit iucundius vel quid sit fructuosius
agitur, sed veritas ipsa, scientia et capacitas nostra eius
comprehendendae. Dicit esse eas res ultra nostram facultatem iacere.
Quis potest sua veritas fieri?
Alexander Magnus? Caesar? Napoleon?
Hi omnes mores antea institutos pandebant; Alexander Graecos, Caesar
libertatem Romanam, Napoleon Gallicam. Etiam Hitler non suos sed bene
fundata principia moralia in terras diffundebat. Nullus eorum fuit ut
Narcissus suam imaginem in aqua contemplatus et eam imaginem prae se ferens.
Nietzsche saepe scribit veluti si credebat hominem posse in se intus
meditari et e se novas tabellas extrahere.
Edus

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Subject: Re: Veritas ob probationem data
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 by: Ed Cryer - Sun, 4 Jun 2023 09:56 UTC

Ed Cryer wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Quid tunc est veritas? Est quidem exercitus mobilis metaphorarum,
>> allegoriarum, imaginum humanarum; denique summa cognationum humanarum
>> quae sunt amplificatae, transpositae, adornatae poetice et oratorie
>> usque adeo ut videantur certae, legales, necessariae populis.
>> Veritates enim sunt illusiones de quibus non iam scimus esse eas huius
>> generis; metaphorae tritae et sine potentia sensibili; nummi qui suis
>> picturis amissis nunc valent tantummodo suo metallo, non iam pecunia."
>>
>> “What then is truth? A mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and
>> anthropomorphisms—in short, a sum of human relations which have been
>> enhanced, transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and
>> which after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people:
>> truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is what
>> they are; metaphors which are worn out and without sensuous power;
>> coins which have lost their pictures and now matter only as metal, no
>> longer as coins.”
>> (Friedrich Nietzsche, On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense)
>
> Ante omnia necesse est instituere hoc loco quid tandem dicat Nietzsche.
> Non enim quid sit melius vel quid sit iucundius vel quid sit fructuosius
> agitur, sed veritas ipsa, scientia et capacitas nostra eius
> comprehendendae. Dicit esse eas res ultra nostram facultatem iacere.
>
> Quis potest sua veritas fieri?
> Alexander Magnus? Caesar? Napoleon?
> Hi omnes mores antea institutos pandebant; Alexander Graecos, Caesar
> libertatem Romanam, Napoleon Gallicam. Etiam Hitler non suos sed bene
> fundata principia moralia in terras diffundebat. Nullus eorum fuit ut
> Narcissus suam imaginem in aqua contemplatus et eam imaginem prae se
> ferens.
> Nietzsche saepe scribit veluti si credebat hominem posse in se intus
> meditari et e se novas tabellas extrahere.
>
> Edus
>
Melius scriptum esset "velut si crederet". Sic enim scripsisset Cicero,
etsi in Novo Testamento vox indicativa fuisset probabilior.
Edus

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