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Re: Stargate - Lower left ball gate problem

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Subject: Re: Stargate - Lower left ball gate problem
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 by: Evil777 - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:27 UTC

Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> > Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
> >> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>> On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>> On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>> On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
> >>>>>>>>>>> Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
> >>>>>>>>>>> happens...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In self test work fine, in game not.
> >>>>>>>>> If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
> >>>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
> >>>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
> >>>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
> >>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
> >>>>>>> Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
> >>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
> >>>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
> >>>>>>> cause weird issues.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
> >>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
> >>>>>>> Test may show something then...
> >>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>> when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
> >>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
> >>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
> >>>>> The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
> >>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
> >>>>> the wire ramp?
> >>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>
> >>>> yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
> >>> All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
> >>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
> >>> John :-#)#
> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
> > In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
> Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
> responds then.
>
> Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
> John :-#)#
>
> --
> (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
> John's Jukes Ltd.
> MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
> (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
> www.flippers.com
> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?

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 by: John Robertson - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 02:07 UTC

On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>> On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>> On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>> On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In self test work fine, in game not.
>>>>>>>>>>> If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
>>>>>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
>>>>>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
>>>>>>>>> Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
>>>>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
>>>>>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
>>>>>>>>> cause weird issues.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
>>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
>>>>>>>>> Test may show something then...
>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>> when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
>>>>>>> The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
>>>>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
>>>>>>> the wire ramp?
>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
>>>>> All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
>>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
>>> In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
>> Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
>> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
>> responds then.
>>
>> Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
>> John :-#)#
>
> I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer
next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
positive still.
John :-#(#
--
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John's Jukes Ltd.
MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
(604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
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"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

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 by: Evil777 - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 09:12 UTC

Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> > Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >> On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
> >>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>> On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>> On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> happens...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In self test work fine, in game not.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
> >>>>>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
> >>>>>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
> >>>>>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
> >>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
> >>>>>>>>> Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style.. make
> >>>>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
> >>>>>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
> >>>>>>>>> cause weird issues.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
> >>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
> >>>>>>>>> Test may show something then...
> >>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>> when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
> >>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
> >>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
> >>>>>>> The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
> >>>>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
> >>>>>>> the wire ramp?
> >>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
> >>>>> All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
> >>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
> >>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
> >>> In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
> >> Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
> >> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
> >> responds then.
> >>
> >> Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
> >> John :-#)#
> >
> > I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
> Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer
> next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
> positive still.
>
> John :-#(#
> --
> (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
> John's Jukes Ltd.
> MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
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i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view

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 by: John Robertson - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 17:14 UTC

On 2022/09/01 2:12 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>> On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>> On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
>>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>> On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In self test work fine, in game not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
>>>>>>>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
>>>>>>>>>>> cause weird issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
>>>>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
>>>>>>>>>>> Test may show something then...
>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>>>> when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
>>>>>>>>> The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
>>>>>>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
>>>>>>>>> the wire ramp?
>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
>>>>>>> All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
>>>>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
>>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
>>>>> In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
>>>> Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
>>>> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
>>>> responds then.
>>>>
>>>> Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
>>>> John :-#)#
>>>
>>> I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
>> Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer
>> next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
>> positive still.
>>
>> John :-#(#
>>
>
> i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view
Please take the manual down as it violates international copyright law
to have it posted. Don't want you getting in trouble!
John :-#)#
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 by: Evil777 - Fri, 2 Sep 2022 09:19 UTC

Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 19:14:24 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> On 2022/09/01 2:12 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> > Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >> On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>> On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
> >>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>> On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In self test work fine, in game not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
> >>>>>>>>>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
> >>>>>>>>>>> cause weird issues.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
> >>>>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
> >>>>>>>>>>> Test may show something then...
> >>>>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>>> when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
> >>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
> >>>>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
> >>>>>>>>> The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
> >>>>>>>>> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
> >>>>>>>>> the wire ramp?
> >>>>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
> >>>>>>> All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
> >>>>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
> >>>>>>> John :-#)#
> >>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
> >>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
> >>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
> >>>>> In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
> >>>> Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
> >>>> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
> >>>> responds then.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
> >>>> John :-#)#
> >>>
> >>> I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
> >> Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer
> >> next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
> >> positive still.
> >>
> >> John :-#(#
> >>
> >
> > i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view
>
> Please take the manual down as it violates international copyright law
> to have it posted. Don't want you getting in trouble!
>
> John :-#)#
> --
> (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
> John's Jukes Ltd.
> MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
> (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
> www.flippers.com
> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
Ok i have delete my post with link.

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 by: Evil777 - Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:28 UTC

I John Robertson, do you know the ic (integrated circuit) that manages to raise the pyramid?
Thanks

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 by: John Robertson - Wed, 4 Jan 2023 19:46 UTC

On 2023/01/04 4:28 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> I John Robertson, do you know the ic (integrated circuit) that manages to raise the pyramid?
> Thanks

Hi!

I don't have a Stargate in the shop so I can't trace the wiring. Looking
at my manual I can't find where the Motor Interface Board (A28 - see
page 56) is connected to anything in the cabinet! I assume this is for
the motor for the Pyramid...

At this point I would ask you to trace the control lines from A28-P1
back to the control boards to figure out what the control logic is. If
you can find the wire colours and where they go that will help!

Looks like Gottlieb simply forgot to document that in the Instruction
Manual...and rummaging through my 1995 Service Bulletins doesn't give
any help other than the following 2 notes for Stargate:
---------------------------
Changed page 25 and 56
"F26" should be 2-1/2 Amp Slo-Blo Fuse, EL-21

Changed Page 76
Spaceship and Bracket Assembly 31308 (Corrected Part Number)
---------------------------

John :-#(#
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 by: Evil777 - Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:17 UTC

Il giorno mercoledì 4 gennaio 2023 alle 20:46:47 UTC+1 John Robertson ha scritto:
> On 2023/01/04 4:28 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
> > I John Robertson, do you know the ic (integrated circuit) that manages to raise the pyramid?
> > Thanks
> Hi!
>
> I don't have a Stargate in the shop so I can't trace the wiring. Looking
> at my manual I can't find where the Motor Interface Board (A28 - see
> page 56) is connected to anything in the cabinet! I assume this is for
> the motor for the Pyramid...
>
> At this point I would ask you to trace the control lines from A28-P1
> back to the control boards to figure out what the control logic is. If
> you can find the wire colours and where they go that will help!
>
> Looks like Gottlieb simply forgot to document that in the Instruction
> Manual...and rummaging through my 1995 Service Bulletins doesn't give
> any help other than the following 2 notes for Stargate:
> ---------------------------
> Changed page 25 and 56
> "F26" should be 2-1/2 Amp Slo-Blo Fuse, EL-21
>
> Changed Page 76
> Spaceship and Bracket Assembly 31308 (Corrected Part Number)
> ---------------------------
>
>
>
> John :-#(#
> --
> (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
> John's Jukes Ltd.
> #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
> (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
> www.flippers.com
> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

Thanks i try it

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