https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceOdesBkIII.php
> I’ll not utterly die, but a rich part of me, will escape Persephone

(the 2nd comma seems wrong)

is it usually translated as [rich]?

non omnis moriar multaque pars mei vitabit Libitinam

henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceOdesBkIII.php
>> I’ll not utterly die, but a rich part of me, will escape Persephone
>
> (the 2nd comma seems wrong)
>
> is it usually translated as [rich]?
>
> non omnis moriar multaque pars mei vitabit Libitinam
I've always liked this poem by Horace. I once learned it by heart. I see
in it how talent survives; how great literature survives; how the best
of humanity survives.
But, from another point of view, it seems narcissistic and egotistical.
And as for "Dicar ......princeps Aeolium carmen ad Italos deduxisse
modos", my head shouts "What about Catullus? What about Catullus?"
I've always read "multaque pars mei" as "a large part of me"; and I can
see why he wrote "multa" rather than the more usual "magna". It's more
poetic.
Ed

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:07:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceOdesBkIII.php
> >> I’ll not utterly die, but a rich part of me, will escape Persephone
> >
> > (the 2nd comma seems wrong)
> >
> > is it usually translated as [rich]?
> >
> > non omnis moriar multaque pars mei vitabit Libitinam
> I've always liked this poem by Horace. I once learned it by heart. I see
> in it how talent survives; how great literature survives; how the best
> of humanity survives.
> But, from another point of view, it seems narcissistic and egotistical.
> And as for "Dicar ......princeps Aeolium carmen ad Italos deduxisse
> modos", my head shouts "What about Catullus? What about Catullus?"
>
> I've always read "multaque pars mei" as "a large part of me"; and I can
> see why he wrote "multa" rather than the more usual "magna". It's more
> poetic.
>
> Ed

thank you....

From the following, it seems that utter (adj.) and utter (v.) are from different sources.

utterly (adv.) -- early 13c., "truly, plainly, outspokenly," from utter (v.) + -ly (1); meaning "to an absolute degree" is late 14c., from utter (adj.)). Cf similarly formed German äusserlich. Old English uterlic (adj.) meant "external."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/utter

utter (adj.) -- Old English utera, uterra, "outer, exterior, external," from Proto-Germanic *utizon (source also of Old Norse utar, Old Frisian uttra, Middle Dutch utere, Dutch uiter-, Old High German uzar, German äußer "outer"), comparative adjective from ut (see out (adv.)). Meaning "complete, total" (i.e. "going to the utmost point") is from early 15c.

utter (v.) -- "speak, say," c. 1400, in part from Middle Dutch uteren or Middle Low German utern "to turn out, show, speak," from uter "outer," comparative adjective from ut "out" (see utter (adj.)); in part from Middle English verb outen "to disclose," from Old English utan "to put out," from ut (see out (v.)). Compare German äussern "to utter, express," from aus "out;" and colloquial phrase out with it "speak up!" Formerly also used as a commercial verb (as release is now). Related: Uttered; uttering.

henh...@gmail.com <henhanna@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:07:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> henh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceOdesBkIII.php
>>>> I’ll not utterly die, but a rich part of me, will escape Persephone
>>>
>>> (the 2nd comma seems wrong)
>>>
>>> is it usually translated as [rich]?
>>>
>>> non omnis moriar multaque pars mei vitabit Libitinam
>> I've always liked this poem by Horace. I once learned it by heart. I see
>> in it how talent survives; how great literature survives; how the best
>> of humanity survives.
>> But, from another point of view, it seems narcissistic and egotistical.
>> And as for "Dicar ......princeps Aeolium carmen ad Italos deduxisse
>> modos", my head shouts "What about Catullus? What about Catullus?"
>>
>> I've always read "multaque pars mei" as "a large part of me"; and I can
>> see why he wrote "multa" rather than the more usual "magna". It's more
>> poetic.
>>
>> Ed
>
>
> thank you....
>
>
> From the following, it seems that utter (adj.) and utter (v.) are
> from different sources.
>
>
> utterly (adv.) -- early 13c., "truly, plainly, outspokenly," from
> utter (v.) + -ly (1); meaning "to an absolute degree" is late 14c., from
> utter (adj.)). Cf similarly formed German äusserlich. Old English uterlic
> (adj.) meant "external."
>
>
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/utter
>
> utter (adj.) -- Old English utera, uterra, "outer, exterior,
> external," from Proto-Germanic *utizon (source also of Old Norse utar,
> Old Frisian uttra, Middle Dutch utere, Dutch uiter-, Old High German
> uzar, German äußer "outer"), comparative adjective from ut (see out
> (adv.)). Meaning "complete, total" (i.e. "going to the utmost point") is from early 15c.
>
>
> utter (v.) -- "speak, say," c. 1400, in part from Middle Dutch
> uteren or Middle Low German utern "to turn out, show, speak," from uter
> "outer," comparative adjective from ut "out" (see utter (adj.)); in part
> from Middle English verb outen "to disclose," from Old English utan "to
> put out," from ut (see out (v.)). Compare German äussern "to utter,
> express," from aus "out;" and colloquial phrase out with it "speak up!"
> Formerly also used as a commercial verb (as release is now). Related: Uttered; uttering.
>

How about “express”?
Two meanings; to utter or state; fast.

--
Ed