On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:55:36 PM UTC-6, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:22:42 AM UTC-7, Kev Bar wrote:
> > On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 3:33:27 PM UTC-6, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > Just to finish up this particular family we have
> > > John /St John/ of Lydiard Tregoz, co Wilt; Knt
> > > d 20 Sep 1594 M.I. Lydiard Tregoz
> > > m Lucy /Hungerford/
> > > co-heiress of her father
> > > d 4 Jun 1598 bur St Mary's, Lydiard Tregoze, co Wilt
> > >
> > > I show seven children, one son, six daughters as follows
> > > Katherine /St John/
> > > first daughter
> > > d 28 Mar 1633 M.I. St Mary's, Lydiard Tregoze, co Wilt
> > > mar 1607 "26 years ago" per her own MI erected by her husband
> > > Giles /Mompesson/ , Mp Great Bedwyn 1614; Knt 1616; W
> > > eldest son; born 1583/4 Wiltshire
> > > Will proved 3 Aug 1663
> > >
> > > Anna /St John/
> > > second daughter
> > > mar
> > > George /Ayliffe/ of Grettenham, co Wilt; Knt
> > > eldest son
> > > d 6 Oct 1643
> > > bur St Mary's, Lydiard Tregoze, Wiltshire
> > >
> > > Jane /St John/
> > > third daughter
> > > mar
> > > Charles /Pleydell/ of Midge Hall, co Wilt; Knt 1618
> > > d 1642
> > >
> > > John /St John/ of Lydiard Tregoze, co Wilt; 1st Bnt 1611
> > > Matric Trinity College 3 Apr 1601
> > > Will 20 Sep 1648 PROB 11/205/365
> > > [to be buried at] Lydiard Tregoz
> > > mar
> > > Anne /Leighton/
> > >
> > > Eleanor /St John/
> > > fourth daughter
> > > mar
> > > William /St John/ of Uchel-olau (High Light), Glamorgan
> > > eldest son
> > >
> > > Barbara /St John/
> > > fifth daughter
> > > bur 16 Sep 1672 Westminster Abbey
> > > mar
> > > Edward /Villiers/ , Knt
> > > b 1585 Second son
> > > d 7 Sep 1626 College of Younghal
> > > bur Cork transept, St Mary's, Younghal
> > >
> > > Lucy /St John/
> > > b 1589
> > > sixth and youngest daughter of her father
> > > d 11 Oct 1659 Owthorpe, co Nott
> > > mar 23 Oct 1615 St Anne's, Blackfriars; third wife
> > > Allen /Apsley/ , Lt of the Tower of London; Knt
> > > b 1557 "aet 48" in 1615; youngest son of his father; "a youth at school" at his father's death
> > > d 24 May 1630 "in his 63rd year"
> > Will,
> >
> > I think that Jane St John had a first marriage to Robert Atye (1588-1612). Their daughter was Eleanor Atye (1608-1678), who married Sir William Roberts (1604-1662). http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/roberts-sir-william-1638-88 ; https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/57364495/person/40351942991/hints ; https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61187/images/47284_263021009496_2658-00008?pId=903111811
> You're right
> https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond15howa/page/32/mode/1up
>
> https://archive.org/details/visitationofwilt00sainrich/page/36/mode/2up?q=hungerford
>
> I had missed that marriage

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:42:33 PM UTC-6, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:55:36 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > You're right
> > https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond15howa/page/32/mode/1up
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/visitationofwilt00sainrich/page/36/mode/2up?q=hungerford
> >
> > I had missed that marriage
> Actually this connection turned out to be more interesting
>
> Robert /Atye/ of Kilborne, co Mdx
> born 1583/1592 eldest son
> mar as first husband
> Jane /St John/
> born 1578/1586 third daughter
>
> They had two children Arthur who died young and Eleanor Sole heiress of her father
> She was born 1600/1610
> and married
> William /Roberts/ of Willesden, co Mdx; Knt 1624 and Bnt 1661-2; D
> born 1605 Second son d 19 Sep 1662
> bur St Mary's, Willesden, co Mdx
>
> The Roberts of Willesden's are descendants of Edward III
>
> William /Roberts/ of Willesden, co Mdx; Knt 1624 and Bnt 1661-2; D
> son of
> Barne /Roberts/ d.v.p. 1610
> son of
> Mary /Barne/ co-heiress
> M.I. at Willesden bur 24 Feb 1623/1624
> daughter of
> Jane /Langton/ co-heiress of her father
> d 1609 M.B. at Willesden
> daughter of
> Thomas /Langton/ of co York; esq third son
> son of
> John /Langton/ , Knt by Isabel /Conyers/
Yes! This is on my line. The current issue of TAG has an article written by Nathan Murphy about the Maddison family that came to Utah in early pioneer times. It is through the Maddison's that I connect. This St John history is not part of the article, but spins off of the Maddison line in the late 17th, early 18th century, through a marriage between Nathaniel Maddison (1649-1709) and Eleanor Nelthorpe (1664-1693). Eleanor's parents were John Nelthorpe and Ann Roberts, dau. of William Roberts and Eleanor Atye. But, I also connect to the same families via Eleanor Nelthorpe's sister, Mary, who married a William Gibbs. This particular line connects to the TAG article via Griffith Nelthope (1713-1754 (the Burton-Agnes line of Griffiths in N. Yorks.) and Mary Nelthorpe (1718-1790), dau of John Nelthorpe (1691-1737) and Jane Gibbs (1695-1790). Jane is the dau of the above William and Mary (Nelthorpe) Gibbs.

It is always delightful to see someone post on familiar lines. Thank you very much.

Cheers,
Kevan

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:13 PM UTC-7, Kev Bar wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:42:33 PM UTC-6, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:55:36 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > > You're right
> > > https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond15howa/page/32/mode/1up
> > >
> > > https://archive.org/details/visitationofwilt00sainrich/page/36/mode/2up?q=hungerford
> > >
> > > I had missed that marriage
> > Actually this connection turned out to be more interesting
> >
> > Robert /Atye/ of Kilborne, co Mdx
> > born 1583/1592 eldest son
> > mar as first husband
> > Jane /St John/
> > born 1578/1586 third daughter
> >
> > They had two children Arthur who died young and Eleanor Sole heiress of her father
> > She was born 1600/1610
> > and married
> > William /Roberts/ of Willesden, co Mdx; Knt 1624 and Bnt 1661-2; D
> > born 1605 Second son d 19 Sep 1662
> > bur St Mary's, Willesden, co Mdx
> >
> > The Roberts of Willesden's are descendants of Edward III
> >
> > William /Roberts/ of Willesden, co Mdx; Knt 1624 and Bnt 1661-2; D
> > son of
> > Barne /Roberts/ d.v.p. 1610
> > son of
> > Mary /Barne/ co-heiress
> > M.I. at Willesden bur 24 Feb 1623/1624
> > daughter of
> > Jane /Langton/ co-heiress of her father
> > d 1609 M.B. at Willesden
> > daughter of
> > Thomas /Langton/ of co York; esq third son
> > son of
> > John /Langton/ , Knt by Isabel /Conyers/
> Yes! This is on my line. The current issue of TAG has an article written by Nathan Murphy about the Maddison family that came to Utah in early pioneer times. It is through the Maddison's that I connect. This St John history is not part of the article, but spins off of the Maddison line in the late 17th, early 18th century, through a marriage between Nathaniel Maddison (1649-1709) and Eleanor Nelthorpe (1664-1693). Eleanor's parents were John Nelthorpe and Ann Roberts, dau. of William Roberts and Eleanor Atye. But, I also connect to the same families via Eleanor Nelthorpe's sister, Mary, who married a William Gibbs. This particular line connects to the TAG article via Griffith Nelthope (1713-1754 (the Burton-Agnes line of Griffiths in N. Yorks.) and Mary Nelthorpe (1718-1790), dau of John Nelthorpe (1691-1737) and Jane Gibbs (1695-1790). Jane is the dau of the above William and Mary (Nelthorpe) Gibbs.
>
> It is always delightful to see someone post on familiar lines. Thank you very much.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevan

This line happens to be behind the Duke of St Albans
I had researched it as part of the ancestry of Robert Edward Peter Cecil Gascoyne-Cecil, 6th Marquess of /Salisbury/

I removed the draft in order to reduce it to 8000 words for TAG to review it.

Thank you for the feedback.

Suzanne

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:42:33 PM UTC+1, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:55:36 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> > You're right
> > https://archive.org/details/visitationoflond15howa/page/32/mode/1up
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/visitationofwilt00sainrich/page/36/mode/2up?q=hungerford
> >
> > I had missed that marriage
> Actually this connection turned out to be more interesting
>
> Robert /Atye/ of Kilborne, co Mdx
> born 1583/1592 eldest son
> mar as first husband
> Jane /St John/
> born 1578/1586 third daughter
>
> They had two children Arthur who died young and Eleanor Sole heiress of her father
> She was born 1600/1610
> and married
> William /Roberts/ of Willesden, co Mdx; Knt 1624 and Bnt 1661-2; D
> born 1605 Second son d 19 Sep 1662
> bur St Mary's, Willesden, co Mdx
>
> The Roberts of Willesden's are descendants of Edward III
>
> William /Roberts/ of Willesden, co Mdx; Knt 1624 and Bnt 1661-2; D
> son of
> Barne /Roberts/ d.v.p. 1610
> son of
> Mary /Barne/ co-heiress
> M.I. at Willesden bur 24 Feb 1623/1624
> daughter of
> Jane /Langton/ co-heiress of her father
> d 1609 M.B. at Willesden
> daughter of
> Thomas /Langton/ of co York; esq third son
> son of
> John /Langton/ , Knt by Isabel /Conyers/

Thomas Langton, father of Jane (Langton) Barne was from Kingston upon Hull, son of John Langton of the same. He was not the same man as Sir John Langton. The will of John Langton of Hull can be found in Testamenta Eboracensia https://archive.org/details/testamentaebora00socigoog/page/n208