On Friday, May 21, 2010 at 10:00:35 PM UTC-5, pj.evans wrote:
> On May 21, 7:50 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> > As I stated, I've updated my article to point-out the oddity of
> > Harriet Jane Bailey appearing in Iowa *after* she had supposedly
> > already been married and had a child, which which child stayed behind
> > in Massachusetts.
> >
> > However I've now found, in a round-about fashion, that there *is* an
> > apparently reasonable source for this marriage and child as follows
> >
> > http://www.archive.org/stream/baileygenealogyj00bail/baileygenealogyj....
> > "The Bailey Genealogy: James, John, and Thomas, and Their
> > Descendants", by Mollis R Bailey. The Citizen Company of Somerville
> > 1899, reprint Parker River Researchers 1980. Online at Archive.org
> > Page 254
> > "Harriet Jane Bailey born August 9, 1837, was the daughter of Benjamin
> > Bailey and his wife Latta Hopkins Fletcher Bailey. She married at
> > Lowell, Mass., Charles O Thompson, January 9, 1852. She died June 21,
> > 1857. Children: Eugenia born 1853, married a Mr Favor; resides in
> > Lowell"
> >
> > Those trying to find Harriet's death record in Lowell might instead
> > try looking in Makee, Iowa perhaps. I wonder if there isn't more to
> > this story? Divorce? Abandonment? Court fight perhaps? Might be an
> > interesting addition to Bette's ancestry to find a scandal like we've
> > found with Elizabeth Taylor's prostitute ancestress.
> The Allamakee county cemetery records give the year as 1856, and her
> age as 20 years; the grave is Lot 41 of Oakland main cemetery.
> Whether this is the correct person is another question, since there's
> not enough other information in the cemetery records to be sure it's
> the same person. (There are other Thompsons in that cemetery.)
Bette Davis is in my family tree. I can assure you that she is a Mayflower descendant. This is how she is related to me: Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty" 1908-1989
6th cousin 2x removed
Harlow Morrell Davis 1885-1938
Father of Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty"
Edward Elwell Davis 1854-1905
Father of Harlow Morrell Davis
Calvin Harlow Davis 1827-1895
Father of Edward Elwell Davis
Abigail Stevens 1798-1870
Mother of Calvin Harlow Davis
Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1755-1825
Father of Abigail Stevens
Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1726-1759
Father of Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis
Ensign Otho Stevens - 5th Grandfather of Bette Davis 1702-1771
Father of Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-4, Wayne Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, May 21, 2010 at 10:00:35 PM UTC-5, pj.evans wrote:
> > On May 21, 7:50 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > As I stated, I've updated my article to point-out the oddity of
> > > Harriet Jane Bailey appearing in Iowa *after* she had supposedly
> > > already been married and had a child, which which child stayed behind
> > > in Massachusetts.
> > >
> > > However I've now found, in a round-about fashion, that there *is* an
> > > apparently reasonable source for this marriage and child as follows
> > >
> > > http://www.archive.org/stream/baileygenealogyj00bail/baileygenealogyj....
> > > "The Bailey Genealogy: James, John, and Thomas, and Their
> > > Descendants", by Mollis R Bailey. The Citizen Company of Somerville
> > > 1899, reprint Parker River Researchers 1980. Online at Archive.org
> > > Page 254
> > > "Harriet Jane Bailey born August 9, 1837, was the daughter of Benjamin
> > > Bailey and his wife Latta Hopkins Fletcher Bailey. She married at
> > > Lowell, Mass., Charles O Thompson, January 9, 1852. She died June 21,
> > > 1857. Children: Eugenia born 1853, married a Mr Favor; resides in
> > > Lowell"
> > >
> > > Those trying to find Harriet's death record in Lowell might instead
> > > try looking in Makee, Iowa perhaps. I wonder if there isn't more to
> > > this story? Divorce? Abandonment? Court fight perhaps? Might be an
> > > interesting addition to Bette's ancestry to find a scandal like we've
> > > found with Elizabeth Taylor's prostitute ancestress.
> > The Allamakee county cemetery records give the year as 1856, and her
> > age as 20 years; the grave is Lot 41 of Oakland main cemetery.
> > Whether this is the correct person is another question, since there's
> > not enough other information in the cemetery records to be sure it's
> > the same person. (There are other Thompsons in that cemetery.)
> Bette Davis is in my family tree. I can assure you that she is a Mayflower descendant. This is how she is related to me: Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty" 1908-1989
> 6th cousin 2x removed
> Harlow Morrell Davis 1885-1938
> Father of Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty"
> Edward Elwell Davis 1854-1905
> Father of Harlow Morrell Davis
> Calvin Harlow Davis 1827-1895
> Father of Edward Elwell Davis
> Abigail Stevens 1798-1870
> Mother of Calvin Harlow Davis
> Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1755-1825
> Father of Abigail Stevens
> Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1726-1759
> Father of Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis
> Ensign Otho Stevens - 5th Grandfather of Bette Davis 1702-1771
> Father of Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-4, Wayne Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, May 21, 2010 at 10:00:35 PM UTC-5, pj.evans wrote:
> > On May 21, 7:50 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > As I stated, I've updated my article to point-out the oddity of
> > > Harriet Jane Bailey appearing in Iowa *after* she had supposedly
> > > already been married and had a child, which which child stayed behind
> > > in Massachusetts.
> > >
> > > However I've now found, in a round-about fashion, that there *is* an
> > > apparently reasonable source for this marriage and child as follows
> > >
> > > http://www.archive.org/stream/baileygenealogyj00bail/baileygenealogyj....
> > > "The Bailey Genealogy: James, John, and Thomas, and Their
> > > Descendants", by Mollis R Bailey. The Citizen Company of Somerville
> > > 1899, reprint Parker River Researchers 1980. Online at Archive.org
> > > Page 254
> > > "Harriet Jane Bailey born August 9, 1837, was the daughter of Benjamin
> > > Bailey and his wife Latta Hopkins Fletcher Bailey. She married at
> > > Lowell, Mass., Charles O Thompson, January 9, 1852. She died June 21,
> > > 1857. Children: Eugenia born 1853, married a Mr Favor; resides in
> > > Lowell"
> > >
> > > Those trying to find Harriet's death record in Lowell might instead
> > > try looking in Makee, Iowa perhaps. I wonder if there isn't more to
> > > this story? Divorce? Abandonment? Court fight perhaps? Might be an
> > > interesting addition to Bette's ancestry to find a scandal like we've
> > > found with Elizabeth Taylor's prostitute ancestress.
> > The Allamakee county cemetery records give the year as 1856, and her
> > age as 20 years; the grave is Lot 41 of Oakland main cemetery.
> > Whether this is the correct person is another question, since there's
> > not enough other information in the cemetery records to be sure it's
> > the same person. (There are other Thompsons in that cemetery.)
> Bette Davis is in my family tree. I can assure you that she is a Mayflower descendant. This is how she is related to me: Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty" 1908-1989
> 6th cousin 2x removed
> Harlow Morrell Davis 1885-1938
> Father of Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty"
> Edward Elwell Davis 1854-1905
> Father of Harlow Morrell Davis
> Calvin Harlow Davis 1827-1895
> Father of Edward Elwell Davis
> Abigail Stevens 1798-1870
> Mother of Calvin Harlow Davis
> Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1755-1825
> Father of Abigail Stevens
> Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1726-1759
> Father of Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis
> Ensign Otho Stevens - 5th Grandfather of Bette Davis 1702-1771
> Father of Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis
How is she a Mayflower descendant? I don't see any path in this tread.
Thanks in advance.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:05:16 AM UTC-4, Bruce Fogwell wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-4, Wayne Johnson wrote:
> > On Friday, May 21, 2010 at 10:00:35 PM UTC-5, pj.evans wrote:
> > > On May 21, 7:50 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > As I stated, I've updated my article to point-out the oddity of
> > > > Harriet Jane Bailey appearing in Iowa *after* she had supposedly
> > > > already been married and had a child, which which child stayed behind
> > > > in Massachusetts.
> > > >
> > > > However I've now found, in a round-about fashion, that there *is* an
> > > > apparently reasonable source for this marriage and child as follows
> > > >
> > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/baileygenealogyj00bail/baileygenealogyj...
> > > > "The Bailey Genealogy: James, John, and Thomas, and Their
> > > > Descendants", by Mollis R Bailey. The Citizen Company of Somerville
> > > > 1899, reprint Parker River Researchers 1980. Online at Archive.org
> > > > Page 254
> > > > "Harriet Jane Bailey born August 9, 1837, was the daughter of Benjamin
> > > > Bailey and his wife Latta Hopkins Fletcher Bailey. She married at
> > > > Lowell, Mass., Charles O Thompson, January 9, 1852. She died June 21,
> > > > 1857. Children: Eugenia born 1853, married a Mr Favor; resides in
> > > > Lowell"
> > > >
> > > > Those trying to find Harriet's death record in Lowell might instead
> > > > try looking in Makee, Iowa perhaps. I wonder if there isn't more to
> > > > this story? Divorce? Abandonment? Court fight perhaps? Might be an
> > > > interesting addition to Bette's ancestry to find a scandal like we've
> > > > found with Elizabeth Taylor's prostitute ancestress.
> > > The Allamakee county cemetery records give the year as 1856, and her
> > > age as 20 years; the grave is Lot 41 of Oakland main cemetery.
> > > Whether this is the correct person is another question, since there's
> > > not enough other information in the cemetery records to be sure it's
> > > the same person. (There are other Thompsons in that cemetery.)
> > Bette Davis is in my family tree. I can assure you that she is a Mayflower descendant. This is how she is related to me: Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty" 1908-1989
> > 6th cousin 2x removed
> > Harlow Morrell Davis 1885-1938
> > Father of Ruth Elizabeth "Bette" Davis - Actress - "Hollywood Royalty"
> > Edward Elwell Davis 1854-1905
> > Father of Harlow Morrell Davis
> > Calvin Harlow Davis 1827-1895
> > Father of Edward Elwell Davis
> > Abigail Stevens 1798-1870
> > Mother of Calvin Harlow Davis
> > Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1755-1825
> > Father of Abigail Stevens
> > Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis 1726-1759
> > Father of Simon Stevens - 3rd Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis
> > Ensign Otho Stevens - 5th Grandfather of Bette Davis 1702-1771
> > Father of Otho Stevens - 4th Grandfather of Actress Bette Davis
> How is she a Mayflower descendant? I don't see any path in this tread.
> Thanks in advance.

Bruce,

It looks like it is through William Brewster.

1. Harlow Morrell Davis (1885-1938)
2. Harlow is the son of Eliza Jane (Morrell) Davis
3. Eliza is the daughter of Eliza (Seavey) Morrell
4. Eliza is the daughter of Kezia (Hinckley) Seavey
5. Kezia is the daughter of Josiah Hinckley (1742-1811)
6. Josiah is the son of Samuel Hinckley III (1711-1767)
7. Samuel is the son of Mary (Freeman) Hinckley (1687-aft.1757)
8. Mary is the daughter of Edmund Freeman (1657-1719)
9. Edmund is the son of Mercy (Prence) Freeman (bef.1631-1711)
10. Mercy is the daughter of Patience (Brewster) Prence (abt.1600-bef.1634)
11. Patience is the daughter of William Brewster (abt.1566-1644)

Darrell E. Larocque

Thomas of Brotherton, Duke of Norfolk 1300-1338
&1316 Alice de Hayles de Harwich 1302-ca 1327
| Margaret Plantagenêt ca 1322-1399
&1338 John, lord Segrave †1353
| Elizabeth Segrave 1338-/1368
& John Mowbray 1340-1368
| Thomas Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk 1366-1399
&1384 Elizabeth Fitzalan 1366-1425
| Isabel Mowbray ca 1396-1452
&1423 James de, Baron Berkeley ca 1394-1463
| Maurice de, Baron Berkeley 1441-1506
&1465 Isabel Mead ca 1444-1514
| Anne Berkeley 1494-1586
& William Dennys 1470-1533
| Isabel Dennis 1509-1572
&1531 John Berkeley ca 1506-1545
| Richard Berkeley ca 1531-ca 1605
& Elizabeth Reade
| Elizabeth Berkeley †
& Thomas Throckmorton 1525-1607
| Hannah Throckmorton 1570-1664
&1586 Isaac Johnson 1550-1643
| Mary Johnson 1604-1694
&1646 Joseph Peaslee 1600-1660
| Jane Peaslee 1627-1684
&1646 John Davis 1621-1694
| James Davis 1662-1749
&1688 Elizabeth Chesley 1669-1748
| Samuel Davis 1692-1789
&ca 1715 Martha Chesley 1692-1789
| Thomas Davis 1732-
& Elizabeth Roberts 1736-
| Stephen Davis 1762-
& Mary Boynton
| Mark Davis 1796-1869
&1822 Abigail Stevens 1798-1870
| Calvin Harlow Davis 1827-1876
&1851 Ann P. Mathews 1831-
| Edward Elwell Davis 1854-1905
& Eliza Jane Morrell ca 1856-1906
| Harlow Morrell Davis 1885-1938
&1907 Ruth Augusta Favor 1885-1961
| Ruth Elizabeth Davis 1908-1989

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:01:33 PM UTC-7, Olivier wrote:
> Thomas of Brotherton, Duke of Norfolk 1300-1338
> &1316 Alice de Hayles de Harwich 1302-ca 1327
> |
> Margaret Plantagenêt ca 1322-1399
> &1338 John, lord Segrave †1353
> |
> Elizabeth Segrave 1338-/1368
> & John Mowbray 1340-1368
> |
> Thomas Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk 1366-1399
> &1384 Elizabeth Fitzalan 1366-1425
> |
> Isabel Mowbray ca 1396-1452
> &1423 James de, Baron Berkeley ca 1394-1463
> |
> Maurice de, Baron Berkeley 1441-1506
> &1465 Isabel Mead ca 1444-1514
> |
> Anne Berkeley 1494-1586
> & William Dennys 1470-1533
> |
> Isabel Dennis 1509-1572
> &1531 John Berkeley ca 1506-1545
> |
> Richard Berkeley ca 1531-ca 1605
> & Elizabeth Reade
> |
> Elizabeth Berkeley †
> & Thomas Throckmorton 1525-1607
> |
> Hannah Throckmorton 1570-1664
> &1586 Isaac Johnson 1550-1643

"There is NO primary or secondary evidence that links either Mary Johnson, wife of Rev. Joseph Peaslee
or John Johnson, the immigrant to Roxbury, Mass., New England to this couple.
(NEHGR 146:261-78, Great Migration Begins, 1105-1110.)"
from:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Throckmorton-921#Sources

Leslie

> Mary Johnson 1604-1694
> &1646 Joseph Peaslee 1600-1660
> |
> Jane Peaslee 1627-1684
> &1646 John Davis 1621-1694
> |
> James Davis 1662-1749
> &1688 Elizabeth Chesley 1669-1748
> |
> Samuel Davis 1692-1789
> &ca 1715 Martha Chesley 1692-1789
> |
> Thomas Davis 1732-
> & Elizabeth Roberts 1736-
> |
> Stephen Davis 1762-
> & Mary Boynton
> |
> Mark Davis 1796-1869
> &1822 Abigail Stevens 1798-1870
> |
> Calvin Harlow Davis 1827-1876
> &1851 Ann P. Mathews 1831-
> |
> Edward Elwell Davis 1854-1905
> & Eliza Jane Morrell ca 1856-1906
> |
> Harlow Morrell Davis 1885-1938
> &1907 Ruth Augusta Favor 1885-1961
> |
> Ruth Elizabeth Davis 1908-1989

Even stronger argument
John /Johnson/ of Pinchbeck, co Linc; of Ayscoughfee Hall, Spalding, co Linc (purchased)
heir of his father
Will dated 4 Feb 1666/7, proved at Lincoln 1667
bur 10 Mar 1666/1667 Spalding, co Linc
married firstly to Jane /Ogle/
heiress of her father
bap 23 May 1596 Pinchbeck, co Linc

She was LIVING in 1638, the year her HEIR was born
http://books.google.com/books?vid=0rd4Z9NkXlLp8J_MX0&id=aPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR1#PPA731,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=AqRCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1270#v=onepage&q&f=false

So clearly John Johnson and Hannah could not have married 35 years earlier

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 6:22:17 PM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> Even stronger argument
> John /Johnson/ of Pinchbeck, co Linc; of Ayscoughfee Hall, Spalding, co Linc (purchased)
> heir of his father
> Will dated 4 Feb 1666/7, proved at Lincoln 1667
> bur 10 Mar 1666/1667 Spalding, co Linc
> married firstly to Jane /Ogle/
> heiress of her father
> bap 23 May 1596 Pinchbeck, co Linc
>
> She was LIVING in 1638, the year her HEIR was born
> http://books.google.com/books?vid=0rd4Z9NkXlLp8J_MX0&id=aPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR1#PPA731,M1
> http://books.google.com/books?id=AqRCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1270#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
> So clearly John Johnson and Hannah could not have married 35 years earlier

Thank you Leslie and Will for clearing up this unsourced line... I am a descendant of John Davis and Jane Peaslee and I have never heard of this Johnson line before at all, and nobody knows for sure if either Mary Johnson OR Jane Severance was the mother of Jane.

Darrell

Thank you Leslie and Will for clearing up this unsourced line... I am a descendant of John Davis and Jane Peaslee and I have never heard of this Johnson line before at all, and nobody knows for sure if either Mary Johnson OR Jane Severance was the mother of Jane.

That being said, Bette Davis does have a well sourced royal and noble ancestry through the immigrant Lieutenant John Samborne, know in America as Sanborne or Sanborn. This line is accepted and well sourced through the following reference:

Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist, 92 (2021/2022):1-16 (to be continued).

1. Ruth is the daughter of Ruth Augusta (Favor) Davis (1886-1961)
2. Ruth is the daughter of William Aaron Favor (1854-1911)
3. William is the son of Jacob Gordon Favor (1830-1899)
4. Jacob is the son of Cutting Favor III (1806-1881)
5. Cutting is the son of Ruth (Sanborn) Favor (1786-1879)
6. Ruth is the daughter of Theophilus Sanborn (1753-1839)
7. Theophilus is the son of Daniel Sanborn (1728-1812)
8. Daniel is the son of Abraham Sanborn (1696-1757)
9. Abraham is the son of Joseph Sanborn (1659-bef.1727)
10. Joseph is the son of John Samborne (bef.1619-1692)

Darrell

Le mardi 29 août 2023 à 22:21:57 UTC+2, Darrell E. Larocque a écrit :
> Thank you Leslie and Will for clearing up this unsourced line... I am a descendant of John Davis and Jane Peaslee and I have never heard of this Johnson line before at all, and nobody knows for sure if either Mary Johnson OR Jane Severance was the mother of Jane.
>
> That being said, Bette Davis does have a well sourced royal and noble ancestry through the immigrant Lieutenant John Samborne, know in America as Sanborne or Sanborn. This line is accepted and well sourced through the following reference:
>
> Clifford L. Stott, FASG, "The English Ancestry and Royal Descent of John, Stephen, and William Sanborn/Samborne of Hampton, New Hampshire," The American Genealogist, 92 (2021/2022):1-16 (to be continued).
>
> 1. Ruth is the daughter of Ruth Augusta (Favor) Davis (1886-1961)
> 2. Ruth is the daughter of William Aaron Favor (1854-1911)
> 3. William is the son of Jacob Gordon Favor (1830-1899)
> 4. Jacob is the son of Cutting Favor III (1806-1881)
> 5. Cutting is the son of Ruth (Sanborn) Favor (1786-1879)
> 6. Ruth is the daughter of Theophilus Sanborn (1753-1839)
> 7. Theophilus is the son of Daniel Sanborn (1728-1812)
> 8. Daniel is the son of Abraham Sanborn (1696-1757)
> 9. Abraham is the son of Joseph Sanborn (1659-bef.1727)
> 10. Joseph is the son of John Samborne (bef.1619-1692)
>
> Darrell

Richard Samborne 1580
& Ann Bachiler 1598..1600
| William Sanborn †1692
& Mary Moulton †1686
| Mehitable Sanborn
&1669 Daniel Tilton
| Abigail Tilton 1670-1759
&1689 Christopher Page 1670-1751
| Shubael Page 1707-1791
& Hannah Dow †1796
| Mary Page 1736-1778
& Christopher Smith 1736-1814
| John Smith 1760-1842
& Martha Drake 1767-1841
| John Smith 1792-1866
& Mary Mudgett 1797-1869
| Mary Smith 1823-1908
&1843 Jacob Lee Merrill 1818-1889
| George David Merrill 1861-1924
&1883 Mary Bird 1862-1925
| Gertrude May Merrill 1887-1938
&1907 Frederick George Sanders 1873-1944
| Doris Sanders 1920-2011
&1941 Gordon Markle 1918-1982
| Thomas Markle 1944
&1979 Doria Ragland 1956
| Meghan Markle 1981