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* New French-Canadian and Acadian Royal Gateways.JPD
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 by: JPD - Mon, 4 Sep 2023 22:49 UTC

I should have posted this months ago, but forgot to do so. This first gateway is for Catherine de Corday who came to New France with her Legardeur children. The second gateway is for the two Boyleau sisters, one has descendants in Québec and the other in Acadia. This Boyleau lineage goes back to Henry III, King of England.

Chénier-Daoust, Jonathan, and John P. DuLong, "Généalogie ascendante de Catherine de Corday à Louis VII, roi de France," Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 73:3 (Autumn 2022): 175-188.

Chénier-Daoust, Jonathan, Paul Delaney, and John P. DuLong, "Les soeurs Boyleau, descendantes de Pierre de Portebise," Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 74:2 (Summer 2023): 91-108.

I have been a great pleasure working with Jonathan and Paul. We hope to have another article out soon that will provide some more details about the Boyleau gateway and include drawings of the arms in their lineage.

Enjoy!

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 by: Peter Stewart - Mon, 4 Sep 2023 23:00 UTC

On 05-Sep-23 8:49 AM, JPD wrote:
> I should have posted this months ago, but forgot to do so. This first gateway is for Catherine de Corday who came to New France with her Legardeur children. The second gateway is for the two Boyleau sisters, one has descendants in Québec and the other in Acadia. This Boyleau lineage goes back to Henry III, King of England.
>
> Chénier-Daoust, Jonathan, and John P. DuLong, "Généalogie ascendante de Catherine de Corday à Louis VII, roi de France," Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 73:3 (Autumn 2022): 175-188.

Was Catherine related to Charlotte (de) Corday who assassinated Marat?

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Généalogie ascendante de Catherine de Corday à Aliénor, femme de Louis VII, roi de France

Aliénor, duchesse d'Aquitaine 1122-1204
&1152 Henry II Courtemanche, king of England 1133-1189
| Aliénor Plantagenêt, reina de Castilla 1162-1214
&1177 Alfonso, rey de Castilla 1155-1214
| Berenguela, reina de Castilla 1180-1246
&/1197 Alfonso IX de Castilla, rey de León 1171-1230
| Berenguela, infanta de Castilla 1204-1237
&1222 Jean de Brienne, empereur de Constantinople 1178/-1237
| Louis de Brienne, vicomte de Beaumont-sur-Sarthe ca 1225-1297/
&1253 Agnès de Beaumont-sur-Sarthe ca 1225-1301
| Marie de Beaumont-Brienne ca 1265-1329
&1270 Henri, comte d'Avaugour 1247-1301
| Henri, comte d'Avaugour ca 1280-1334
&1306 Jeanne d'Harcourt †1346/
| Marguerite d'Avaugour †1377
& Geoffroy, seigneur des Vaux †1407
| Marie des Vaux
& Macé de Marcillé
| Michel, seigneur de Marcillé †1455/
& Ne N
| Jeanne de Marcillé
&1415 Jean Bouchet †ca 1466
| Gilles Bouchet †/1474
&1463 Marguerite Desmons †1474/
| Pierre du Bouche
&1485 Catherine de Saint-Rémy
| Marie du Bouchet
& Nicolas de Montesson
| Guillaume de Montesson ca 1520-
& Françoise Jagu ca 1530-/1555
| Marie-Madeleine de Montesson
& Pierre de Corday, sieur de Repentigny
| Catherine de Corday ca 1579-1657

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 by: Olivier - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 11:51 UTC

Le mardi 5 septembre 2023 à 01:00:23 UTC+2, Peter Stewart a écrit :
> On 05-Sep-23 8:49 AM, JPD wrote:
> > I should have posted this months ago, but forgot to do so. This first gateway is for Catherine de Corday who came to New France with her Legardeur children. The second gateway is for the two Boyleau sisters, one has descendants in Québec and the other in Acadia. This Boyleau lineage goes back to Henry III, King of England.
> >
> > Chénier-Daoust, Jonathan, and John P. DuLong, "Généalogie ascendante de Catherine de Corday à Louis VII, roi de France," Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française 73:3 (Autumn 2022): 175-188.
> Was Catherine related to Charlotte (de) Corday who assassinated Marat?
>
> Peter Stewart
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Charlotte de Corday's great-great-aunt

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 by: JPD - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 12:08 UTC

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:00:23 PM UTC-4, Peter Stewart wrote:

> Was Catherine related to Charlotte (de) Corday who assassinated Marat?

Yes, and I see Olivier has figured out their relationship.

There is an excellent book about the de Corday family which shows the relationship. Bertrand Pâris, La famille de Corday, Mayenne, Éditions régionales de l’Ouest, 1994. Well worth looking at for more information about this family.

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 by: Will Johnson - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:40 UTC

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:49:58 AM UTC-7, Olivier wrote:
> Généalogie ascendante de Catherine de Corday à Aliénor, femme de Louis VII, roi de France
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> Marie des Vaux
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> Michel, seigneur de Marcillé †1455/
> & Ne N

This marriage of Marie des Vaux, is not recorded in the usual secondary sources
What is the evidence for it

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On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:

> This marriage of Marie des Vaux, is not recorded in the usual secondary sources
> What is the evidence for it

We offer two references for her marriage to Michel or Macé, sgr. de Marcillé :

Marquis de Beauchesne, Histoire de la terre seigneuriale de Boisfroust en Niort, Laval, Imprimerie-librairie Goupil, 1921, p. 23, https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k146062m/f25.

BNF, Vaux dossier, Nouveau d’Hozier, ms. fr. 31552, vol. 327, f. 86r, image 123, https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080404f/f123.

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Subject: Re: New French-Canadian and Acadian Royal Gateways.
From: wjhonson.2014@gmail.com (Will Johnson)
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 by: Will Johnson - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:10 UTC

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-7, JPD wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
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> > This marriage of Marie des Vaux, is not recorded in the usual secondary sources
> > What is the evidence for it
> We offer two references for her marriage to Michel or Macé, sgr. de Marcillé :
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> Marquis de Beauchesne, Histoire de la terre seigneuriale de Boisfroust en Niort, Laval, Imprimerie-librairie Goupil, 1921, p. 23, https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k146062m/f25.
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> BNF, Vaux dossier, Nouveau d’Hozier, ms. fr. 31552, vol. 327, f. 86r, image 123, https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080404f/f123.

Genealogics goes not have this connection
Medlands does have it, but citing no source

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittcope.htm#MargueriteAvaugourM1HerveVIILeonM2GVaulx

Re: New French-Canadian and Acadian Royal Gateways.

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Subject: Re: New French-Canadian and Acadian Royal Gateways.
From: wjhonson.2014@gmail.com (Will Johnson)
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 by: Will Johnson - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:11 UTC

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:10:18 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-7, JPD wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:40:11 AM UTC-4, Will Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > This marriage of Marie des Vaux, is not recorded in the usual secondary sources
> > > What is the evidence for it
> > We offer two references for her marriage to Michel or Macé, sgr. de Marcillé :
> >
> > Marquis de Beauchesne, Histoire de la terre seigneuriale de Boisfroust en Niort, Laval, Imprimerie-librairie Goupil, 1921, p. 23, https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k146062m/f25.
> >
> > BNF, Vaux dossier, Nouveau d’Hozier, ms. fr. 31552, vol. 327, f.. 86r, image 123, https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080404f/f123.
> Genealogics goes not have this connection
> Medlands does have it, but citing no source
>
> https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/brittcope.htm#MargueriteAvaugourM1HerveVIILeonM2GVaulx

I should caveat that by saying that Medlands has this second *marriage* only, citing no children and no source
Genealogics does not have this second marriage at all

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