On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 6:24:34 AM UTC-8, John Watson wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 December 2016 07:09:50 UTC, John Watson wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 15:01:56 UTC, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+1, John Watson wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:48:51 UTC, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:13:44 PM UTC+1, John Watson wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, 5 December 2016 01:43:31 UTC, ScholarGypsy wrote:
> > > > > > > I wonder if anyone is familiar with the following item I just stumbled
> > > > > > > across while searching for something else?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://bodley30.bodley.ox.ac.uk:8180/luna/servlet/detail/ODLodl~1~1~31393~120910:Collectanea-genealogica-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Probably some of you are already, but I thought I'd bring it to the
> > > > > > > attention of the list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for posting the link. Do we know anything else about this document, who wrote it and when?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The page giving genealogical notes on the family of Harrington of Hornby in Lancashire does not appear to contain any surprises. The other page which is a copy of some interesting evidences concerning the family of Lascelles of Sowerby, near Thirsk, Yorkshire, is stated to have been made by William Lascelles, senior of Pickering in 4 Henry IV (1402-3). Presumably these "evidences" were part of some property dispute, as this was long before the heralds started their visitations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The wills of this William Lascelles, who died in 1416 and his wife Joan are printed in Testamenta Eboracensia, vol. 1, p. 384.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > As a descendant of William de Lascelles and his wife Joan, I have struggled to decipher this text, but have been defeated in several places by either the handwriting or the Latin terminology. Could John or some other kind person please provide a translation? I'd be most grateful.
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Saba
> > > >
> > > > Hi Saba,
> > > >
> > > > Here is a rather rough and ready translation of the text. I can't figure out some of the place names and there are a few words which are not clear.
> > > >
> > > > MS. Ashmole 804, pt. I, 17.
> > > >
> > > > From the evidences of Lascelles of Sowerby
> > > >
> > > > William son of John de Lascelles held lands in Brackenborough, Sowerby near Thirsk, Swainby, and Theakston which descended to him by hereditary right after the death of his father. His brother John held the peel-house of Northallerton with Goscelin Deiville, knight and other enemies of Edward formerly king of England, father of king Edward III, adherents of Gilbert de Middleton, traitor to that king who took his lands into the king's hand.. By his charter dated 35 Edward III [1361], the lands were restored to William his [John's] son.
> > > > [See Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 11: 1358-1361 (1911), 555.]
> > > >
> > > > Charter of William Lascelles senior of Pickering, given at Allerthorpe, 6 Henry IV [1404-5].
> > > >
> > > > Fine dated 11th year of king Edward son of king Henry [1283], between William de Lascelles junior and Wiliam de Lascelles senior of the manors of Sowerby and Brackenborough. Remainder to Thomas de Lascelles, brother of William de Lacelles junior, if he dies without heirs of his body, remainder to Isabel sister of Thomas.
> > > > [See Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/267/61, number 31 (YARS, cxxi, 66)]
> > > >
> > > > William de Lascelles of Brackenborough grants to Thomas de St. Quintin and Margaret his wife, lands in the vill of Thornton. If the aforesaid Thomas dies without heirs of his body, remainder to Joan, daughter of Stephen de Swynnerton, if she dies without heirs of the body, remainder to Thomas, son of the aforesaid William de Lascelles. Given at North Ottringham 30 Edward III [1356].
> > > > [This one is a genealogical puzzle]
> > > >
> > > > William de Lascelles of Sowerby without date. John son of William de Lascelles of Sowerby grants to William de Lascelles lord of Sowerby ?? in lands which came from the aforesaid William his father in the vills of Sowerby, Catterton?, Brackenbury, Theakston, Baynton, Malton and Allerthorpe. Given 1 Edward son of king Henry [1272-3].
> > > > [This one is a puzzle]
> > > >
> > > > Robert Danby one of the king's justices of the common bench, Guy Roucliffe, William Burgh, and Richard Burgh, gentlemen give to Robert Lascelles son of John Lascelles, gentleman and Catherine wife of the same Robert, all lands etc. which came from William Lascelles father of the aforesaid John in Allerthorpe. Given 37 Henry VI [1458-9]
> > > >
> > > > 1236, Agreement between William de Lascelles son of Ralph de Lascelles and John the prior and the convent of Newburgh over the case discussed between them in the king's court concerning the marshes of Tranemire?
> > > >
> > > > William son of William Talvas of Thirsk confirms to John de Lascelles, knight a messuage and two bovates of land in Storneby? Given A.D. 1324.
> > > >
> > > > I, Andrew de Lascelles give to William de Lascelles, my son the lands that I have in the territory of ???. Witnessed by William de Lascelles of Rounton (Rungeton) and others. Given A.D. 1262.
> > > >
> > > > Sir John de Barton, knight and Lucy his wife custodians of part of the lands of John de Lascelles, son and heir of William de Lascelles deceased, assign to Margaret who was the wife of the said William de Lascelles, as the reasonable dower of the said Margaret, all lands which were of William her husband in Sowerby and Brackenborough. Given at Sowerby 33 Edward I [1304-5].
> > > >
> > > > Ralph de Lascelles ?? to William de Lascelles his lord and brother, a bovate of land he has by the gift of William de Lascelles his brother in the vill of Brackenborough. Without date.
> > > >
> > > > We, John de Barton, Guy de Roucliffe and ?? de Moulton grant to William Lascelles junior and Elizabeth his wife, all of our manor of Brackenborough. If he dies without heir of his body, remainder to the right heirs of William Lascelles senior. Given at Brackenborough, 10 Henry 4 [1408-9].
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > > Hi John
> > > thank you so much for this, your help is very much appreciated.
> > > Regards
> > > Saba
> >
> > Whilst we are on the subject of the Lascelles family of Sowerby. Does anyone know how William Lascelles of Sowerby was in possession of one third of the manor of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire when he died in 1416.
> > See his widow's ipm:
> > http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-077/
> >
> > and his son's ipm:
> > http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/26-503/
> >
> > Presumably his mother was an heiress of this moiety of Tuxford, but I can't work out how. Apparently Thoroton couldn't work it out either.
> > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp219-226
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> I've now worked out part of the answer. Joan wife of William Lascelles of Sowerby was Joan Rocliffe, daughter of Richard Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth. In 1407, she was heiress of her brother Sir David Rocliffe (although his ipm erroneously gives her name as Maud).(CIPM, 19, No. 161).
>
> The manor of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire was divided between the three daughters and co-heirs of Robert de Markham who died in 1289. One of these daughters, Agnes married William de Saint Cruce who died in 1295, leaving three daughters and co-heirs, each of whom held one third of one third of the manor of Tuxford.
>
> It was one of these 1/9 shares of the manor that was held by Joan Lascelles at her death in 1418, but which one?
>
> The three daughters of William de Saint Cruce and Agnes de Markham were:
>
> Joan, who married firstly John de Bayeux (Baiocis) and secondly Robert de Hackthorn.
>
> Margery who married Peter Foun. Her daughter Elizabeth married Thomas de Mering. Their son Alexander de Mering was holding this share of the manor in 1417 (CP 25/1/186/38, number 6)
>
> Elizabeth who married John de Barkworth. Her grand-daughter Joan de Barkworth (heiress of her brother John in 1354) married Simon de Burgh. They apparently had no children. In 1377, they granted their 1/9 share of the manor to Sir Robert de Swillington (CPR, 1374-1377, 456). This share of Tuxford is not recorded at Robert de Swillington's ipm in 1391 (CIPM, xvii, no. 123), so presumably he granted it to someone else.
>
> In 1351, Robert de Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth were pardoned for acquiring in tail from Henry de Bayhous [Bayeux] the manor of Little Markham, which is a third part of one third part of the manor of Tuxford, held in chief (CPR, 1350-1354, 177).
>
> So it appears that the share of Tuxford held by the Lascelles of Sowerby family was the share of Joan de Saint Cruce who married John de Bayeux. Possibly it was Joan's son Henry de Bayeux who enfeoffed Richard de Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth. Was Elizabeth his sister or his daughter?
>
> Regards,
> John

On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 03:19:10 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 6:24:34 AM UTC-8, John Watson wrote:
> > On Thursday, 8 December 2016 07:09:50 UTC, John Watson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 15:01:56 UTC, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+1, John Watson wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:48:51 UTC, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:13:44 PM UTC+1, John Watson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, 5 December 2016 01:43:31 UTC, ScholarGypsy wrote:
> > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone is familiar with the following item I just stumbled
> > > > > > > > across while searching for something else?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://bodley30.bodley.ox.ac.uk:8180/luna/servlet/detail/ODLodl~1~1~31393~120910:Collectanea-genealogica-
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Probably some of you are already, but I thought I'd bring it to the
> > > > > > > > attention of the list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for posting the link. Do we know anything else about this document, who wrote it and when?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The page giving genealogical notes on the family of Harrington of Hornby in Lancashire does not appear to contain any surprises. The other page which is a copy of some interesting evidences concerning the family of Lascelles of Sowerby, near Thirsk, Yorkshire, is stated to have been made by William Lascelles, senior of Pickering in 4 Henry IV (1402-3). Presumably these "evidences" were part of some property dispute, as this was long before the heralds started their visitations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The wills of this William Lascelles, who died in 1416 and his wife Joan are printed in Testamenta Eboracensia, vol. 1, p. 384.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a descendant of William de Lascelles and his wife Joan, I have struggled to decipher this text, but have been defeated in several places by either the handwriting or the Latin terminology. Could John or some other kind person please provide a translation? I'd be most grateful.
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Saba
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Saba,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a rather rough and ready translation of the text. I can't figure out some of the place names and there are a few words which are not clear.
> > > > >
> > > > > MS. Ashmole 804, pt. I, 17.
> > > > >
> > > > > From the evidences of Lascelles of Sowerby
> > > > >
> > > > > William son of John de Lascelles held lands in Brackenborough, Sowerby near Thirsk, Swainby, and Theakston which descended to him by hereditary right after the death of his father. His brother John held the peel-house of Northallerton with Goscelin Deiville, knight and other enemies of Edward formerly king of England, father of king Edward III, adherents of Gilbert de Middleton, traitor to that king who took his lands into the king's hand. By his charter dated 35 Edward III [1361], the lands were restored to William his [John's] son.
> > > > > [See Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 11: 1358-1361 (1911), 555.]
> > > > >
> > > > > Charter of William Lascelles senior of Pickering, given at Allerthorpe, 6 Henry IV [1404-5].
> > > > >
> > > > > Fine dated 11th year of king Edward son of king Henry [1283], between William de Lascelles junior and Wiliam de Lascelles senior of the manors of Sowerby and Brackenborough. Remainder to Thomas de Lascelles, brother of William de Lacelles junior, if he dies without heirs of his body, remainder to Isabel sister of Thomas.
> > > > > [See Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/267/61, number 31 (YARS, cxxi, 66)]
> > > > >
> > > > > William de Lascelles of Brackenborough grants to Thomas de St. Quintin and Margaret his wife, lands in the vill of Thornton. If the aforesaid Thomas dies without heirs of his body, remainder to Joan, daughter of Stephen de Swynnerton, if she dies without heirs of the body, remainder to Thomas, son of the aforesaid William de Lascelles. Given at North Ottringham 30 Edward III [1356].
> > > > > [This one is a genealogical puzzle]
> > > > >
> > > > > William de Lascelles of Sowerby without date. John son of William de Lascelles of Sowerby grants to William de Lascelles lord of Sowerby ?? in lands which came from the aforesaid William his father in the vills of Sowerby, Catterton?, Brackenbury, Theakston, Baynton, Malton and Allerthorpe.. Given 1 Edward son of king Henry [1272-3].
> > > > > [This one is a puzzle]
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert Danby one of the king's justices of the common bench, Guy Roucliffe, William Burgh, and Richard Burgh, gentlemen give to Robert Lascelles son of John Lascelles, gentleman and Catherine wife of the same Robert, all lands etc. which came from William Lascelles father of the aforesaid John in Allerthorpe. Given 37 Henry VI [1458-9]
> > > > >
> > > > > 1236, Agreement between William de Lascelles son of Ralph de Lascelles and John the prior and the convent of Newburgh over the case discussed between them in the king's court concerning the marshes of Tranemire?
> > > > >
> > > > > William son of William Talvas of Thirsk confirms to John de Lascelles, knight a messuage and two bovates of land in Storneby? Given A.D. 1324.
> > > > >
> > > > > I, Andrew de Lascelles give to William de Lascelles, my son the lands that I have in the territory of ???. Witnessed by William de Lascelles of Rounton (Rungeton) and others. Given A.D. 1262.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sir John de Barton, knight and Lucy his wife custodians of part of the lands of John de Lascelles, son and heir of William de Lascelles deceased, assign to Margaret who was the wife of the said William de Lascelles, as the reasonable dower of the said Margaret, all lands which were of William her husband in Sowerby and Brackenborough. Given at Sowerby 33 Edward I [1304-5].
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph de Lascelles ?? to William de Lascelles his lord and brother, a bovate of land he has by the gift of William de Lascelles his brother in the vill of Brackenborough. Without date.
> > > > >
> > > > > We, John de Barton, Guy de Roucliffe and ?? de Moulton grant to William Lascelles junior and Elizabeth his wife, all of our manor of Brackenborough. If he dies without heir of his body, remainder to the right heirs of William Lascelles senior. Given at Brackenborough, 10 Henry 4 [1408-9].
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > >
> > > > Hi John
> > > > thank you so much for this, your help is very much appreciated.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Saba
> > >
> > > Whilst we are on the subject of the Lascelles family of Sowerby. Does anyone know how William Lascelles of Sowerby was in possession of one third of the manor of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire when he died in 1416.
> > > See his widow's ipm:
> > > http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-077/
> > >
> > > and his son's ipm:
> > > http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/26-503/
> > >
> > > Presumably his mother was an heiress of this moiety of Tuxford, but I can't work out how. Apparently Thoroton couldn't work it out either.
> > > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp219-226
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > I've now worked out part of the answer. Joan wife of William Lascelles of Sowerby was Joan Rocliffe, daughter of Richard Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth. In 1407, she was heiress of her brother Sir David Rocliffe (although his ipm erroneously gives her name as Maud).(CIPM, 19, No. 161).
> >
> > The manor of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire was divided between the three daughters and co-heirs of Robert de Markham who died in 1289. One of these daughters, Agnes married William de Saint Cruce who died in 1295, leaving three daughters and co-heirs, each of whom held one third of one third of the manor of Tuxford.
> >
> > It was one of these 1/9 shares of the manor that was held by Joan Lascelles at her death in 1418, but which one?
> >
> > The three daughters of William de Saint Cruce and Agnes de Markham were:
> >
> > Joan, who married firstly John de Bayeux (Baiocis) and secondly Robert de Hackthorn.
> >
> > Margery who married Peter Foun. Her daughter Elizabeth married Thomas de Mering. Their son Alexander de Mering was holding this share of the manor in 1417 (CP 25/1/186/38, number 6)
> >
> > Elizabeth who married John de Barkworth. Her grand-daughter Joan de Barkworth (heiress of her brother John in 1354) married Simon de Burgh. They apparently had no children. In 1377, they granted their 1/9 share of the manor to Sir Robert de Swillington (CPR, 1374-1377, 456). This share of Tuxford is not recorded at Robert de Swillington's ipm in 1391 (CIPM, xvii, no. 123), so presumably he granted it to someone else.
> >
> > In 1351, Robert de Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth were pardoned for acquiring in tail from Henry de Bayhous [Bayeux] the manor of Little Markham, which is a third part of one third part of the manor of Tuxford, held in chief (CPR, 1350-1354, 177).
> >
> > So it appears that the share of Tuxford held by the Lascelles of Sowerby family was the share of Joan de Saint Cruce who married John de Bayeux. Possibly it was Joan's son Henry de Bayeux who enfeoffed Richard de Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth. Was Elizabeth his sister or his daughter?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> This Joan de Barkworth "aged 25" 31E3; heiress of her brother John died 28 Dec 1404 IPM
> However she is given different spouses, two of them
> https://books.google.com/books?id=B7FJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA222

On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 04:40:57 UTC+2, Saba Risaluddin wrote:
> On Monday, 9 October 2023 at 03:19:10 UTC+2, Will Johnson wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 6:24:34 AM UTC-8, John Watson wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 8 December 2016 07:09:50 UTC, John Watson wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 15:01:56 UTC, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 3:55:28 PM UTC+1, John Watson wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, 6 December 2016 05:48:51 UTC, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:13:44 PM UTC+1, John Watson wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, 5 December 2016 01:43:31 UTC, ScholarGypsy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone is familiar with the following item I just stumbled
> > > > > > > > > across while searching for something else?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://bodley30.bodley.ox.ac.uk:8180/luna/servlet/detail/ODLodl~1~1~31393~120910:Collectanea-genealogica-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Probably some of you are already, but I thought I'd bring it to the
> > > > > > > > > attention of the list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for posting the link. Do we know anything else about this document, who wrote it and when?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The page giving genealogical notes on the family of Harrington of Hornby in Lancashire does not appear to contain any surprises. The other page which is a copy of some interesting evidences concerning the family of Lascelles of Sowerby, near Thirsk, Yorkshire, is stated to have been made by William Lascelles, senior of Pickering in 4 Henry IV (1402-3). Presumably these "evidences" were part of some property dispute, as this was long before the heralds started their visitations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The wills of this William Lascelles, who died in 1416 and his wife Joan are printed in Testamenta Eboracensia, vol. 1, p. 384.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a descendant of William de Lascelles and his wife Joan, I have struggled to decipher this text, but have been defeated in several places by either the handwriting or the Latin terminology. Could John or some other kind person please provide a translation? I'd be most grateful.
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Saba
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Saba,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is a rather rough and ready translation of the text. I can't figure out some of the place names and there are a few words which are not clear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MS. Ashmole 804, pt. I, 17.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the evidences of Lascelles of Sowerby
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William son of John de Lascelles held lands in Brackenborough, Sowerby near Thirsk, Swainby, and Theakston which descended to him by hereditary right after the death of his father. His brother John held the peel-house of Northallerton with Goscelin Deiville, knight and other enemies of Edward formerly king of England, father of king Edward III, adherents of Gilbert de Middleton, traitor to that king who took his lands into the king's hand. By his charter dated 35 Edward III [1361], the lands were restored to William his [John's] son.
> > > > > > [See Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 11: 1358-1361 (1911), 555.]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charter of William Lascelles senior of Pickering, given at Allerthorpe, 6 Henry IV [1404-5].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fine dated 11th year of king Edward son of king Henry [1283], between William de Lascelles junior and Wiliam de Lascelles senior of the manors of Sowerby and Brackenborough. Remainder to Thomas de Lascelles, brother of William de Lacelles junior, if he dies without heirs of his body, remainder to Isabel sister of Thomas.
> > > > > > [See Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/267/61, number 31 (YARS, cxxi, 66)]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William de Lascelles of Brackenborough grants to Thomas de St. Quintin and Margaret his wife, lands in the vill of Thornton. If the aforesaid Thomas dies without heirs of his body, remainder to Joan, daughter of Stephen de Swynnerton, if she dies without heirs of the body, remainder to Thomas, son of the aforesaid William de Lascelles. Given at North Ottringham 30 Edward III [1356].
> > > > > > [This one is a genealogical puzzle]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William de Lascelles of Sowerby without date. John son of William de Lascelles of Sowerby grants to William de Lascelles lord of Sowerby ?? in lands which came from the aforesaid William his father in the vills of Sowerby, Catterton?, Brackenbury, Theakston, Baynton, Malton and Allerthorpe. Given 1 Edward son of king Henry [1272-3].
> > > > > > [This one is a puzzle]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Robert Danby one of the king's justices of the common bench, Guy Roucliffe, William Burgh, and Richard Burgh, gentlemen give to Robert Lascelles son of John Lascelles, gentleman and Catherine wife of the same Robert, all lands etc. which came from William Lascelles father of the aforesaid John in Allerthorpe. Given 37 Henry VI [1458-9]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1236, Agreement between William de Lascelles son of Ralph de Lascelles and John the prior and the convent of Newburgh over the case discussed between them in the king's court concerning the marshes of Tranemire?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > William son of William Talvas of Thirsk confirms to John de Lascelles, knight a messuage and two bovates of land in Storneby? Given A.D. 1324.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I, Andrew de Lascelles give to William de Lascelles, my son the lands that I have in the territory of ???. Witnessed by William de Lascelles of Rounton (Rungeton) and others. Given A.D. 1262.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sir John de Barton, knight and Lucy his wife custodians of part of the lands of John de Lascelles, son and heir of William de Lascelles deceased, assign to Margaret who was the wife of the said William de Lascelles, as the reasonable dower of the said Margaret, all lands which were of William her husband in Sowerby and Brackenborough. Given at Sowerby 33 Edward I [1304-5].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ralph de Lascelles ?? to William de Lascelles his lord and brother, a bovate of land he has by the gift of William de Lascelles his brother in the vill of Brackenborough. Without date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We, John de Barton, Guy de Roucliffe and ?? de Moulton grant to William Lascelles junior and Elizabeth his wife, all of our manor of Brackenborough. If he dies without heir of his body, remainder to the right heirs of William Lascelles senior. Given at Brackenborough, 10 Henry 4 [1408-9]..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John
> > > > > thank you so much for this, your help is very much appreciated.
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Saba
> > > >
> > > > Whilst we are on the subject of the Lascelles family of Sowerby. Does anyone know how William Lascelles of Sowerby was in possession of one third of the manor of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire when he died in 1416.
> > > > See his widow's ipm:
> > > > http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/21-077/
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> > > > and his son's ipm:
> > > > http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/26-503/
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> > > > Presumably his mother was an heiress of this moiety of Tuxford, but I can't work out how. Apparently Thoroton couldn't work it out either.
> > > > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp219-226
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> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > I've now worked out part of the answer. Joan wife of William Lascelles of Sowerby was Joan Rocliffe, daughter of Richard Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth. In 1407, she was heiress of her brother Sir David Rocliffe (although his ipm erroneously gives her name as Maud).(CIPM, 19, No. 161).
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> > > The manor of Tuxford, Nottinghamshire was divided between the three daughters and co-heirs of Robert de Markham who died in 1289. One of these daughters, Agnes married William de Saint Cruce who died in 1295, leaving three daughters and co-heirs, each of whom held one third of one third of the manor of Tuxford.
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> > > It was one of these 1/9 shares of the manor that was held by Joan Lascelles at her death in 1418, but which one?
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> > > The three daughters of William de Saint Cruce and Agnes de Markham were:
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> > > Joan, who married firstly John de Bayeux (Baiocis) and secondly Robert de Hackthorn.
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> > > Margery who married Peter Foun. Her daughter Elizabeth married Thomas de Mering. Their son Alexander de Mering was holding this share of the manor in 1417 (CP 25/1/186/38, number 6)
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> > > Elizabeth who married John de Barkworth. Her grand-daughter Joan de Barkworth (heiress of her brother John in 1354) married Simon de Burgh. They apparently had no children. In 1377, they granted their 1/9 share of the manor to Sir Robert de Swillington (CPR, 1374-1377, 456). This share of Tuxford is not recorded at Robert de Swillington's ipm in 1391 (CIPM, xvii, no. 123), so presumably he granted it to someone else.
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> > > In 1351, Robert de Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth were pardoned for acquiring in tail from Henry de Bayhous [Bayeux] the manor of Little Markham, which is a third part of one third part of the manor of Tuxford, held in chief (CPR, 1350-1354, 177).
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> > > So it appears that the share of Tuxford held by the Lascelles of Sowerby family was the share of Joan de Saint Cruce who married John de Bayeux. Possibly it was Joan's son Henry de Bayeux who enfeoffed Richard de Rocliffe and his wife Elizabeth. Was Elizabeth his sister or his daughter?
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> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > This Joan de Barkworth "aged 25" 31E3; heiress of her brother John died 28 Dec 1404 IPM
> > However she is given different spouses, two of them
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=B7FJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA222
> Thank you. As the work you cite states, your Joan de Barkworth is the granddaughter of Elizabeth, third daughter of William de Saint Cruce and his wife Agnes. My interest is in the Lungvillers connection.
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> Here is another inq.p.m. that includes John Lungvillers in the succession from the three daughters of William de Saint Cruce: CIPM vol 3, no. 11. Margery de Merlay, late the wife of John de Lexinton. The writ is dated 30 Jan, 20 Edw I (1292); the inquisitions include the following:
> Nottingham and Derby. Pleseley.... Margery de Merlay was dowered of the above named manor together with the manor of Tokesforth for all the lands &c.. which were of John de Lexinton her husband, ancestor of Richard de Sutton, of Cecily the wife of John de Bray, Agnes the wife of William de Sayntecroys, and John de Longevilers, a minor and in the king’s wardship, for which cause the escheator took the said manors into the king’s hand. The manors are of the inheritance of the said Richard, Cecily, Agnes and John.
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> Saba