On Saturday, February 3, 2001 at 6:40:44 PM UTC-8, lostc...@my-deja..com wrote:
> In article <3a7b8...@binarykiller.newsfeeds.com>,
> "D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> > What is this descent from James IV of Scotland that you mention?
> >
> > Who is the Gateway Ancestor of Royal Decent [GARD] to America?
> > --
> >
> > D. Spencer Hines
> Mr. Hines and Mr. Pas,
> >
> I would be delighted to share this descent with you. Forgive me if I
> am not adept at formats used by professional genealogists, as I am not
> one.
> I am the daughter of Elizabeth Clare Webb.
> She is the daughter of Sidney V. Webb and Claire Newman.
> Sidney was the son of William Locock Webb and Christine Fischer
> Christine was the daughter of George Fischer and Christian Martin
> Christian was the daughter of Robert Martin and Philippina Bodecker

Robert Martin & Philippina Bodecker were married 24 Sept. 1817 at Saltza, Sachsen, Germany.
The marriage record can be seen here, in the upper left corner:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDW-KS4H-W?cc=3015626&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPJN-N9ZF

Robert is described as being age 31 (born about 1786), son of John Martin & Christian Compbell
(not MacPherson) of Argyllshire, Scotland.

The baptism for Robert, son of John Martin & Christian Campbell was recorded on
20 July 1786 at Kilmorich, Argyllshire, Scotland:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYZT-B9P

What is the evidence that Christian Campbell was from the family that lived at Glenfalloch?

Leslie

> Robert Martin was the son of John Martin and Christian MacPherson
> Christian was the daughter of Duncan MacPherson and Christian Campbell
> of Glenfallach, born 1761-d.?
> Christian was the daughter of William Campbell of Glenfallach, d. 1791
> and Effie McNicoll
> William was the son of Colin Campbell of Glenfallach and Agnes Campbell
> of Auchlyne
> Colin was the son of Robert Campbell of Glenfallach and Susanna Menzies
> of Culderes
> Robert was the son of Sir William Campbell of Glenfallach, d. 1648, and
> Jean Campbell of Ardkinglas
> Sir William was the son of Sir Colin Campbell, Baron of Glenfallach,
> d. 1640, and Isabel Lachlan of McIntosh
> Sir Colin was the son of Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Baron of Glenfallach,
> d. 1631, and Jean Stewart of Atholl
> Jean was the daughter of John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl, 1530-1579,
> and Margaret Fleming
> Margaret Fleming was the daughter of Malcolm, 3rd Lord Fleming, and
> Janet/Jean Stewart, d. 1562
> Janet/Jean was the daughter of King James IV, 1473-1513, and Isabel
> Stewart of Lorn, d. 1557
> If by "gateway ancestor" you mean the individual in the above lineage
> who first came to America, that would by my grandfather, Sidney V.
> Webb, who was born May 29, 1876, in London and emigrated between 1900
> and 1909. He first went to Santa Monica (near Los Angeles) and tried
> his hand at chicken ranching. This failed and he moved north to
> Berkeley where he opened a successful photo studio and died in 1958. He
> married Clare Newman, who was born in Mariposa, California, from a
> family of "49ers" in the Gold Rush. I currently live in Coarsegold, at
> the southern tip of the "Mother Lode", about 30 miles from Mariposa and
> 200 miles from Berkeley, where my mother still lives.
> I was also asked about the Hopi connection. My father was a full-
> blooded Hopi man from the village of Hotevilla on Third Mesa on the
> Hopi Reservation in Arizona. He and my mother never married, so I did
> not grow up there.
> I hope that this answers some of your questions. If you have any more,
> I'd be happy to accommodate. Good thoughts to you, Bronwen (Lost Copper
> was the title of my first large book of poetry which was published in
> 1980)
> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> >
> > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
> do
> > nothing." -- Attributed to Edmund Burke [1729-1797]
> >
> > "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall
> one
> > by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." -- Edmund
> > Burke -- Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents [April 23,
> > 1770]
> >
> > "You could not stand five minutes with that man [Burke] beneath a shed
> > while it rained, but you must be convinced you had been standing with
> > the greatest man you had ever seen." Samuel Johnson [1709-1784],
> > _Johnsonian Miscellanies [1897], edited by G.B. Hill, vol. 1, p.290
> >
> > "On résiste à l'invasion des armées; on ne résiste pas à l'invasion
> des
> > idées."
> >
> > Victor Hugo
> >
> > All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> >
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> > author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with
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> > given, in writing.
> >
> > Vires et Honor
> >
> > <lostc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:95g0dt$akp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > | Hi Shawn! I enjoy genealogical research for a number of reasons as
> > | well - my questions were really meant as a slight poke at the
> > | presidents and at a small number of English in-groupers who I read
> on
> > | this group. I would love to visit England one day. In my own family
> I
> > | am 13 generations removed in a direct line from James IV of Scotland
> > | and somewhat more from Edward III via John of Gaunt - all of which
> is
> > | documented to the point of being water-tight. On the other hand, I
> am
> > | an American born in 1948 and, in addition to the British side of my
> > | family, am more than half American Indian (Hopi and Miwok - Native
> > | Nations from Arizona and California respectively). Oh what fun!
> > Perhaps
> > | most important of all, I finally figured out that I have to actually
> > | log in for my replies and new threads to get posted! All in fun,
> keep
> > | it light-hearted! - Bronwen
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | In article <95fm13$2hj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > | shawn...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > | > In article <95fh2b$uiv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, lostc...@my-deja.com
> > | wrote:
> > | > > Why would an American even WANT to find royal ancestry in
> > | > presidents? ...
> > | >
> > | > One reason I enjoy learning about the royal descent of US
> presidents
> > | is
> > | > because it seems so unexpected. After all, like most people, I
> grew
> > | up
> > | > thinking we all had only a hand full of ancestors in any
> particular
> > | > generation in the past, whether several hundred years ago or
> several
> > | > thousand years ago. It is difficult to comprehend that we all had
> > | > 1,048,576 grandfathers and grandmothers 20 generations ago--in
> about
> > | > 1400. Even though some of those ancestors were the same people--
> > | > because cousins marry one another, the actual number of different
> > | > ancestors we all had 20 generations ago must be sufficient to make
> > it
> > | > probable that everyone descends from both royalty and paupers.
> The
> > | > challenge is to document that descent.
> > | >
> > | > Shawn
> >
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