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* Sven Forkbeard inquiryBrian Hessick
`* Sven Forkbeard inquiryHans Vogels
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Subject: Sven Forkbeard inquiry
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 by: Brian Hessick - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 03:03 UTC

From what I have gathered, the only proven lineage to Emma de Normandy is via the Sudeley line through Ralph de Mantes, Earl of Hereford (d. 1057), son of Drogo de Mantes, Count of Vexin, and Godgifu of Wessex.

I am wondering if someone might be aware of a similar scenario where a descendant of Sven Forkbeard found their way into the Anglo or Norman nobility? The closest I’ve found is Elizabeth Plantagenet, daughter of Edward I and Eleanor of Castile, married (1st) John I de Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland (d. 1299) (descendant of Helena Estridsen), but they had no issue.

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Subject: Re: Sven Forkbeard inquiry
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 by: Hans Vogels - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:19 UTC

Op vrijdag 17 november 2023 om 04:03:12 UTC+1 schreef Brian Hessick:
> From what I have gathered, the only proven lineage to Emma de Normandy is via the Sudeley line through Ralph de Mantes, Earl of Hereford (d. 1057), son of Drogo de Mantes, Count of Vexin, and Godgifu of Wessex.
>
> I am wondering if someone might be aware of a similar scenario where a descendant of Sven Forkbeard found their way into the Anglo or Norman nobility? The closest I’ve found is Elizabeth Plantagenet, daughter of Edward I and Eleanor of Castile, married (1st) John I de Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland (d. 1299) (descendant of Helena Estridsen), but they had no issue.

>> John I de Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland (d. 1299) (descendant of Helena Estridsen) <<

How?

Hans Vogels

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Subject: Re: Sven Forkbeard inquiry
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 by: Brian Hessick - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 08:22 UTC

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 2:19:46 AM UTC-5, Hans Vogels wrote:
> Op vrijdag 17 november 2023 om 04:03:12 UTC+1 schreef Brian Hessick:
> > From what I have gathered, the only proven lineage to Emma de Normandy is via the Sudeley line through Ralph de Mantes, Earl of Hereford (d. 1057), son of Drogo de Mantes, Count of Vexin, and Godgifu of Wessex.
> >
> > I am wondering if someone might be aware of a similar scenario where a descendant of Sven Forkbeard found their way into the Anglo or Norman nobility? The closest I’ve found is Elizabeth Plantagenet, daughter of Edward I and Eleanor of Castile, married (1st) John I de Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland (d. 1299) (descendant of Helena Estridsen), but they had no issue.
>
> >> John I de Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland (d. 1299) (descendant of Helena Estridsen) <<
> How?
>
> Hans Vogels

Sven Haraldsson, King of Denmark, Norway, and England
Æstriðr Svendsdatter of Denmark, married Ulf Thorgilsson, Jarl of Skåne and Orkney
Sven II Ulfsson, King of Denmark, and [Unknown]
Erik I Svendsson, King of Denmark, married Boedil Thurgotsdatter
St. Canute Lavard Estridsen, Duke of Schleswig, married Ingeborg Monomakhovichi of Kiev
Valdemar I Estridsen, King of Denmark, married Sophia Iziaslavichi of Minsk
Helena Estridsen, married William Welf, Lord of Lüneburg
Otto I Welf, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg, married Matilda von Ascania
Elisabeth Welf, married William II van Holland, King of Germany, Count of Holland and Zeeland
Floris V van Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland, married Beatrice de Dampierre
John I van Holland, Count of Holland and Zeeland, married Elizabeth Plantagenet

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