On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 4:13:14 AM UTC-6, John Watson wrote:
> Dear all,
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> A couple of weeks ago I was guilty of repeating a genealogical myth in a post to this group, namely that the Neville family of Pickhill and Rolleston were descended from Henry de Neville, chamberlain to Henry II. Later, by chance, I was looking for something else in Early Yorkshire Charters, vol. 5 and found that Clay puts forward a quite convincing case for their descent from a daughter of Gilbert de Neville, the co-founder of Tupholme priory in Lincolnshire. The descent is very briefly as follows:-
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> 1. Losoard (? - aft. 1086)
> Probaly a Breton, Domesday tenant of Odo of Bayeaux in Rigsby, Lincolnshire and Rolleston, Nottinghamshire.
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> 2. Richard son of Losoard (? - aft. 1118)
> Holding land in Rigsby of the earl of Richmond at the Lindsey Survey.
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> 3. Rocelin son of Richard (? - aft 1150)
> Granted land in Rigsby to Greenfield priory about 1150. He married an unnamed daughter of Gilbert de Neville II, the co-founder, with his brother Alan, of Tupholme priory in Lincolnshire.
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> 4. Jollan de Neville I (c. 1150 - 1208)
> Adopted his mother's family name. Married, about 1175 Amfelisa daughter of Alan fitz Roald, Constable of Richmond, who granted him Pickhill, Yorkshire. The grant was witnessed by Geoffrey, William and Walter de Neville, the three sons of Gilbert de Neville II, and no doubt Jollan's uncles. He was granted the manor of Sheerness, Kent by Richard I. Died in 1208 and was succeeded by his eldest son John. His widow was living in 1219 when she was described as Domina Amfelisa de Rolleston.
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> 5a. John de Neville (c. 1185 - 1219)
> Son and heir. He married about 1210, Isabel daughter of Robert Maulovel, widow of Sewal fitz Henry. In 1212 he was holding half a fee in Rigsby of the honour of Richmond. Served as a justice itinerant in the north of England in 1198 aand 1199. Died s.p. before 16 December 1219. His widow Isabel married thirdly Ralph Musard. She was living in 1227.
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> 5b. Jollan de Neville II (c. 1190 - 1246)
> Brother and heir. Married firstly Maud daughter of Andrew de Beauchamp by his wife Eve de Grey by whom he had at least three sons and a daughter. In 1230 he went on Henry III's expedition to Brittany. In 1234-5 he served as a justice itinerant in Yorkshire and Northumberland. In 1242 became justice of the common bench, a position he retained until his death. In 1244 he had a licence to marry Sarah, widow of John de Heriz (d. bef. Nov 1241). He died shortly before 5 October 1246. His widow Sarah was probably still living in 1270. His daughter Margaret married William Warde of Givendale (d. 1266).
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> 6a. Jollan de Neville III (1224 - 1250)
> Son and heir of Jollan II and Maud de Beauchamp. One of the heirs of his grandmother Eve de Grey in 1246. He married Maud and died s.p. before March 1250.
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> 6b. John de Neville (c. 1226 - 1271)
> Brother and heir. He married firstly Alice, daughter of Ranulf de Brakenburgh and secondly Emicina. In 1256 he had a confirmation of the manor of Sheerness from Henry III. In September 1257, he leased the manor of Pickhill to Nicholas de Meinill for 20 years. In October 1270 he sold the manor of Sheerness, Kent (with two dowers) to Roger de Northwood. He died s.p. in 1271. His widow Emicina died before 1290.
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> 6c. Andrew de Neville (c. 1230 - 1295)
> Brother and heir. He married Alice and had six children; Jollan, Andrew, Hugh, Margaret, Eve and Maud. He died shortly before 23 September 1295. Alice was still living in 1296.
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> 7. Jollan de Neville IV (1271 - aft. 1331)
> Son and heir of Andrew. His wife's name is unknown. He died in or after 1331.
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> 8. Sir Thomas de Neville (c. 1300 - aft. 1363)
> Son and heir. He married firstly Cecily, daughter of Ranulf de Blancminster (d. 22 June 1348) and secondly Sibyl. In June 1340, Thomas and Cecily exchanged their holdings in the manor of Thornton Watlass with Geoffrey le Scrope, in exchange for the manor of Yarnwick, Yorkshire. He was knight of the shire for Nottinghamshire in 1363 and probably died soon afterwards. His widow Sibyl survived him.
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> 9. Sir William Neville (c. 1338 - c. 1412)
> Son and heir. He married before 1371, Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Thomas de Fencotes. In 1371, he had protection going to sea in the king's sevice. He was given as a hostage for the town of Brest in June 1373 and held in prison for ransom for over three years. In 1377, as heir of Cecily Blancminster, he had property in Cornwall and the Scilly Isles settled upon him in reversion, with further reversion to his younger brother Ranulf. He was Member of Parliament for Nottinghamshire in 1378 and 1394. Deponent in the Scrope-Grosvenor case in October 1386, when he stated that he was 48 years old and had been armed for 17 years. In January 1402, William Neville and Elizabeth his wife granted the manor of Yarnwick, Yorkshire and the manor of Sutton (in-the-Marsh), Lincolnshire to Robert Neville, their son and Alice his wife. He was alive in December 1411 and probably died about 1412.
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> 10. Robert Neville (c. 1376 - bef. 1428)
> Son and heir. He married before January 1402, Alice, daughter of Sir Nicholas Longford of Derbyshire. In January 1402, William Neville and Elizabeth his wife granted the manor of Yarnwick, Yorkshire and the manor of Sutton (in-the-Marsh), Lincolnshire to Robert Neville, their son and Alice his wife. Nothing more is known about him. He was dead before 1428 when his eldest son Thomas was holding Rolleston.
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> Thomas Neville (c. 1405 - 1482)
> In 1428 he was holding 1 knight's fee in Rolleston, Nottinghamshire and in 1432, Rigsby and Sutton-in-the-Marsh, Lincolnshire. It is possible he had a younger brother William who was holding Pickhill in 1428. In 1438, Thomas sued Thomas Coleshill for possession of lands in Cornwall and the Scilly Isles as heir of his great-grandmother Cecily Blancminster. He married Elizabeth, daughter of William Babington, chief justice of the common bench (d. 1454) and died in 1482.
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> Regards,
> John
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It shows quite a different pedigree, especially for Andrew de Neville having married Cecilia Blanchminster as compared to your #8 Thomas de Neville above. These Nevilles are my direct ancestral line and I would love to get this straightened out.
Roberta (Travis) Dodge