On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 10:13:46 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
> >On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:32:16 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >
> >> Dunno. My '00 ranger was stock base model (manual everything), the kind
> >> that used to dominate fleet sales to the trades. It would still be
> >> running if a tree hadn't fallen on it a couple years ago in a derecho.
> >
> >I know all about trees and well maintained vehicles.
> >
> >My super clean 2006 Honda Odyssey in 2014:
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/MTBfotQ.jpg
> >
> >SWMBO's super clean 2011 Honda CR-V in 2022:
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/pKO2q4z.jpg
> For the ranger, the tree flattened the cab. My B-I-L sold it
> to a salvage guy who figured he could fix it somehow. Haven't
> heard anything further on it.

If you look carefully at the Ody, right under the side windows, you
can see that the driver's door doesn't quite line up with the slider.

The tree hit the top of the A pillar and then slid down to the hood.
The driver's door was pushed down and back. To get a feel how
heavy the tree was, check out the front tire. That's not a low profile
tire, that's just compressed by the weight.

Every 6 months or so - since 2014 - I get the Takata Air Bag recall
notice. :-)

On 1/11/2023 10:50, Michael wrote:
> I'm getting a good deal on an F150, but a 5.5 box seems really small
> to be hauling plywood sheets and construction lumber. Anyone have
> experience with this? Thanks.

I've owned multiple compact S10's and Rangers. The 6' box was kind of a
pain, mainly due to plywood and drywall having to rest on top of the
wheel wells. If stacked on an angle (of course ratchet strapped down),
the drywall/plywood would hang at least to the end of the tailgate, down
flat.

Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility. I,
personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
tailgate shut. 5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
an SUV or van at that point.

If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
a huge cab), you might feel differently. I'm fine with a single cab 8'
bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

>On 1/11/2023 10:50, Michael wrote:
>> I'm getting a good deal on an F150, but a 5.5 box seems really small
>> to be hauling plywood sheets and construction lumber. Anyone have
>> experience with this? Thanks.
>
>I've owned multiple compact S10's and Rangers. The 6' box was kind of a
>pain, mainly due to plywood and drywall having to rest on top of the
>wheel wells. If stacked on an angle (of course ratchet strapped down),
>the drywall/plywood would hang at least to the end of the tailgate, down
>flat.
>
>Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility. I,
>personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>tailgate shut. 5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>an SUV or van at that point.
>
>If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>a huge cab), you might feel differently. I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.

An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
cab, the vehicle is simply too long. It would be impossible to park.
I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.

I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
looked as long as a bus.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> I'm getting a good deal on an F150, but a 5.5 box seems really small to be hauling plywood sheets and construction lumber. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks.

I bought the truck, a 2022 hybrid F150. One of the things I really like about it is that it has a 7.4 kW generator that powers outlets inside and outside the truck. It has three 120V outlets and a 240V outlet. It draws from the battery and starts up if it needs to charge.

The 5.5 box is pretty short though.

On 1/22/2023 10:44 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>> I'm getting a good deal on an F150, but a 5.5 box seems really small to be hauling plywood sheets and construction lumber. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks.
>
> I bought the truck, a 2022 hybrid F150. One of the things I really like about it is that it has a 7.4 kW generator that powers outlets inside and outside the truck. It has three 120V outlets and a 240V outlet. It draws from the battery and starts up if it needs to charge.
>
> The 5.5 box is pretty short though.

Just curious, what happens if you turn on the heater (or A/C)?
I haven't even ridden in an EV yet.

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:53:06 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
> On 1/22/2023 10:44 PM, Michael wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> >> I'm getting a good deal on an F150, but a 5.5 box seems really small to be hauling plywood sheets and construction lumber. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks.
> >
> > I bought the truck, a 2022 hybrid F150. One of the things I really like about it is that it has a 7.4 kW generator that powers outlets inside and outside the truck. It has three 120V outlets and a 240V outlet. It draws from the battery and starts up if it needs to charge.
> >
> > The 5.5 box is pretty short though.
> Just curious, what happens if you turn on the heater (or A/C)?
> I haven't even ridden in an EV yet.

It's not an actual EV. It's a hybrid so runs primarily on gas, but runs on electric when it can. There are two 120V outlets in the cab, so I assume they work then the heater or AC is on. The five outlets in the bed work when the truck is in "generator" mode (trucks automatically runs if the battery needs a charge). I don't know if the heater or AC would work in generator mode. It has good power on the road and rides really smoothly and quietly inside. I've never been much of a bells and whistles person because I always had the philosophy that that's just one more thing that could break. But everything, even the gas pedal, according the salesman, is electronic. It makes me nervous but we'll just go for now and see what happens.

On 1/23/2023 12:22 AM, Michael wrote:
> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:53:06 PM UTC-6, Bill wrote:
>> On 1/22/2023 10:44 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>>>> I'm getting a good deal on an F150, but a 5.5 box seems really small to be hauling plywood sheets and construction lumber. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks.
>>>
>>> I bought the truck, a 2022 hybrid F150. One of the things I really like about it is that it has a 7.4 kW generator that powers outlets inside and outside the truck. It has three 120V outlets and a 240V outlet. It draws from the battery and starts up if it needs to charge.
>>>
>>> The 5.5 box is pretty short though.
>> Just curious, what happens if you turn on the heater (or A/C)?
>> I haven't even ridden in an EV yet.
>
> It's not an actual EV. It's a hybrid so runs primarily on gas, but runs on electric when it can. There are two 120V outlets in the cab, so I assume they work then the heater or AC is on. The five outlets in the bed work when the truck is in "generator" mode (trucks automatically runs if the battery needs a charge). I don't know if the heater or AC would work in generator mode. It has good power on the road and rides really smoothly and quietly inside. I've never been much of a bells and whistles person because I always had the philosophy that that's just one more thing that could break. But everything, even the gas pedal, according the salesman, is electronic. It makes me nervous but we'll just go for now and see what happens.

Thank you for your explanation. It is insightful. I'm like you, I'm a
little nervous of the technology, but I'll be watching to see what
happens. I'm "afraid" of "expensive batteries" and things like that.

On 1/18/2023 0:34, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility. I,
>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>> tailgate shut. 5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>> an SUV or van at that point.
>>
>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>> a huge cab), you might feel differently. I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
>
> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
> cab, the vehicle is simply too long. It would be impossible to park.
> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
>
> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
> looked as long as a bus.

I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
F-250. That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive. I'm
fairly used to switching vehicles. I got the hang of parallel parking
my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.

On 1/23/2023 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 1/18/2023 0:34, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew  wrote:
>>>
>>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility.  I,
>>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>>> tailgate shut.  5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>>> an SUV or van at that point.
>>>
>>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>>> a huge cab), you might feel differently.  I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
>>
>> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
>> cab, the vehicle is simply too long.  It would be impossible to park.
>> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
>>
>> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
>> looked as long as a bus.
>
> I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
> F-250.  That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive.  I'm
> fairly used to switching vehicles.  I got the hang of parallel parking
> my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.

Driving one of those crew cab long beds is not the issue. It's parking
one in a parking lot and especially with straight in parking.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:35:19 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 1/23/2023 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 1/18/2023 0:34, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility.  I,
>>>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>>>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>>>> tailgate shut.  5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>>>> an SUV or van at that point.
>>>>
>>>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>>>> a huge cab), you might feel differently.  I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>>>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
>>>
>>> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
>>> cab, the vehicle is simply too long.  It would be impossible to park.
>>> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
>>>
>>> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
>>> looked as long as a bus.
>>
>> I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
>> F-250.  That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive.  I'm
>> fairly used to switching vehicles.  I got the hang of parallel parking
>> my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.
>
>
>Driving one of those crew cab long beds is not the issue. It's parking
>one in a parking lot and especially with straight in parking.
>

... don't forget the pintle hitch sticking out at the back ! :-)
When my son was working-through-college doing landscape
construction - he had more-than-one driver drive into his hitch
at red lights ... then try to blame him for it sticking out ..
This was a small dump truck rather than a pick-up.
John T.

On 1/24/2023 10:05 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:35:19 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2023 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 1/18/2023 0:34, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility.  I,
>>>>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>>>>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>>>>> tailgate shut.  5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>>>>> an SUV or van at that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>>>>> a huge cab), you might feel differently.  I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>>>>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
>>>>
>>>> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
>>>> cab, the vehicle is simply too long.  It would be impossible to park.
>>>> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
>>>>
>>>> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
>>>> looked as long as a bus.
>>>
>>> I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
>>> F-250.  That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive.  I'm
>>> fairly used to switching vehicles.  I got the hang of parallel parking
>>> my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.
>>
>>
>> Driving one of those crew cab long beds is not the issue. It's parking
>> one in a parking lot and especially with straight in parking.
>>
>
> .. don't forget the pintle hitch sticking out at the back ! :-)
> When my son was working-through-college doing landscape
> construction - he had more-than-one driver drive into his hitch
> at red lights ... then try to blame him for it sticking out ..
> This was a small dump truck rather than a pick-up.
> John T.

The person at fault always tries to blame some one other than
themselves. Seriously, if you hit a hitch you are at fault for not
controlling your vehicle. My truck has one, its my bumper guard.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 1/24/2023 10:05 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:35:19 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/23/2023 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 1/18/2023 0:34, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility.  I,
>>>>>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>>>>>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>>>>>> tailgate shut.  5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>>>>>> an SUV or van at that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>>>>>> a huge cab), you might feel differently.  I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>>>>>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
>>>>> cab, the vehicle is simply too long.  It would be impossible to park.
>>>>> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
>>>>> looked as long as a bus.
>>>>
>>>> I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
>>>> F-250.  That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive.  I'm
>>>> fairly used to switching vehicles.  I got the hang of parallel parking
>>>> my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Driving one of those crew cab long beds is not the issue. It's parking
>>> one in a parking lot and especially with straight in parking.
>>>
>>
>> .. don't forget the pintle hitch sticking out at the back ! :-)
>> When my son was working-through-college doing landscape
>> construction - he had more-than-one driver drive into his hitch
>> at red lights ... then try to blame him for it sticking out ..
>> This was a small dump truck rather than a pick-up.
>> John T.
>
>
>The person at fault always tries to blame some one other than
>themselves. Seriously, if you hit a hitch you are at fault for not
>controlling your vehicle. My truck has one, its my bumper guard.

It is pretty much universal that in a rear-end collision, the
fault is with vehicle following too
closely, not driving attentively, (or forgetting to engage autopilot :-).

On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:53:16 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>On 1/24/2023 10:05 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:35:19 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/23/2023 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 1/18/2023 0:34, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility.  I,
>>>>>>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
>>>>>>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
>>>>>>> tailgate shut.  5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
>>>>>>> an SUV or van at that point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
>>>>>>> a huge cab), you might feel differently.  I'm fine with a single cab 8'
>>>>>>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
>>>>>> cab, the vehicle is simply too long.  It would be impossible to park.
>>>>>> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
>>>>>> looked as long as a bus.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
>>>>> F-250.  That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive.  I'm
>>>>> fairly used to switching vehicles.  I got the hang of parallel parking
>>>>> my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Driving one of those crew cab long beds is not the issue. It's parking
>>>> one in a parking lot and especially with straight in parking.
>>>>
>>>
>>> .. don't forget the pintle hitch sticking out at the back ! :-)
>>> When my son was working-through-college doing landscape
>>> construction - he had more-than-one driver drive into his hitch
>>> at red lights ... then try to blame him for it sticking out ..
>>> This was a small dump truck rather than a pick-up.
>>> John T.
>>
>>
>>The person at fault always tries to blame some one other than
>>themselves. Seriously, if you hit a hitch you are at fault for not
>>controlling your vehicle. My truck has one, its my bumper guard.
>
>It is pretty much universal that in a rear-end collision, the
>fault is with vehicle following too
>closely, not driving attentively, (or forgetting to engage autopilot :-).
>

Yep.
Years ago, the police were in the habit of issuing 2 charges
to the at-fault driver - and - depending on circumstances -
the prosecuter would often bargain it for a guilty plea
on 1 of them. .. to save a trial.
Careless driving & following too close ..
John T.

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:18:59 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:53:16 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
> >Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
> >>On 1/24/2023 10:05 AM, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:35:19 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/23/2023 10:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>>> On 1/18/2023 0:34, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:34:00 -0500, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Me, I buy cheap old trucks, and use them primarily for utility. I,
> >>>>>>> personally, would not buy a full-size truck with any shorter than an 8'
> >>>>>>> bed, where 4X8' sheets could lay flat between the wheel wells, with the
> >>>>>>> tailgate shut. 5.5' bed seems *way* too small to me; might as well have
> >>>>>>> an SUV or van at that point.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the truck is your primary vehicle, and you need a back seat (without
> >>>>>>> a huge cab), you might feel differently. I'm fine with a single cab 8'
> >>>>>>> bed since the truck is a secondary vehicle for me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An 8' bed with a standard cab is OK but with an extended cab or crew
> >>>>>> cab, the vehicle is simply too long. It would be impossible to park.
> >>>>>> I wouldn't have a standard cab, so it's a 6-1/2' cab.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I saw a RR work truck the other day that had a crew cab and 8' bed. It
> >>>>>> looked as long as a bus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've driven one of those crew cab w/ 8' bed trucks before; an early 80's
> >>>>> F-250. That was a lot of truck, but it wasn't terrible to drive. I'm
> >>>>> fairly used to switching vehicles. I got the hang of parallel parking
> >>>>> my '64 Olds 88 (boat-size) pretty quickly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Driving one of those crew cab long beds is not the issue. It's parking
> >>>> one in a parking lot and especially with straight in parking.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> .. don't forget the pintle hitch sticking out at the back ! :-)
> >>> When my son was working-through-college doing landscape
> >>> construction - he had more-than-one driver drive into his hitch
> >>> at red lights ... then try to blame him for it sticking out ..
> >>> This was a small dump truck rather than a pick-up.
> >>> John T.
> >>
> >>
> >>The person at fault always tries to blame some one other than
> >>themselves. Seriously, if you hit a hitch you are at fault for not
> >>controlling your vehicle. My truck has one, its my bumper guard.
> >
> >It is pretty much universal that in a rear-end collision, the
> >fault is with vehicle following too
> >closely, not driving attentively, (or forgetting to engage autopilot :-).
> >
> Yep.
> Years ago, the police were in the habit of issuing 2 charges
> to the at-fault driver - and - depending on circumstances -
> the prosecuter would often bargain it for a guilty plea
> on 1 of them. .. to save a trial.
> Careless driving & following too close ..
> John T.

I've been pulled over for speeding twice.

Once was in a brand new rental car - less than 1K miles on it. I was
ticketed for a bald tire and a noisy muffler. I pled guilty and mailed in
the fine. ;-)

The other time was in the Dodge Ram conversion van I drove when
my kids were racing Soap Box Derby. I had *clear* Plexiglas over the
my personalized license plates (DERBYDAD, of course). I got ticketed
for an obstructed license plate. Mailed that one in too.

On 1/24/2023 20:25, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:18:59 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>> Years ago, the police were in the habit of issuing 2 charges
>> to the at-fault driver - and - depending on circumstances -
>> the prosecuter would often bargain it for a guilty plea
>> on 1 of them. .. to save a trial.
>> Careless driving& following too close ..
>> John T.
>
> I've been pulled over for speeding twice.
>
> Once was in a brand new rental car - less than 1K miles on it. I was
> ticketed for a bald tire and a noisy muffler. I pled guilty and mailed in
> the fine. ;-)

Why? None of that would be your fault; especially not in a rental.

Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
>On 1/24/2023 20:25, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:18:59 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Years ago, the police were in the habit of issuing 2 charges
>>> to the at-fault driver - and - depending on circumstances -
>>> the prosecuter would often bargain it for a guilty plea
>>> on 1 of them. .. to save a trial.
>>> Careless driving& following too close ..
>>> John T.
>>
>> I've been pulled over for speeding twice.
>>
>> Once was in a brand new rental car - less than 1K miles on it. I was
>> ticketed for a bald tire and a noisy muffler. I pled guilty and mailed in
>> the fine. ;-)
>
>Why? None of that would be your fault; especially not in a rental.

The officer was kind enough (or the c-note wrapped around the DL) to
write the ticket for a non-moving-violation so Derby's insurance
rate wouldn't rise.

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:18:38 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> writes:
> >On 1/24/2023 20:25, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:18:59 PM UTC-5, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Years ago, the police were in the habit of issuing 2 charges
> >>> to the at-fault driver - and - depending on circumstances -
> >>> the prosecuter would often bargain it for a guilty plea
> >>> on 1 of them. .. to save a trial.
> >>> Careless driving& following too close ..
> >>> John T.
> >>
> >> I've been pulled over for speeding twice.
> >>
> >> Once was in a brand new rental car - less than 1K miles on it. I was
> >> ticketed for a bald tire and a noisy muffler. I pled guilty and mailed in
> >> the fine. ;-)
> >
> >Why? None of that would be your fault; especially not in a rental.
> The officer was kind enough (or the c-note wrapped around the DL) to
> write the ticket for a non-moving-violation so Derby's insurance
> rate wouldn't rise.

No points on my license either, and a relatively cheap fine.