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* endings of words [ little, tittle, puzzle, sigil ] from the same origin?HenHanna
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 by: HenHanna - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:48 UTC

Are the endings of words [ little, tittle, puzzle, $%*sigil ] from the
same origin?

No, the endings of the words "little," "tittle," "puzzle," and "sigil"
are not from the same origin.

Little: The "-tle" ending comes from Proto-Germanic roots
associated with smallness and bending.

Tittle: This word likely originated from a Latin term "titulus"
meaning "inscription" or "superscription." The "-le" ending here is
likely influenced by the French diminutive suffix "-le," which means
"small."

Puzzle: This word's origin is uncertain, but it likely emerged in
Middle English. The most common theory suggests it relates to the
verb "to pose" or "to be bewildering." The "-le" ending here might
be a suffix added to form a noun, similar to "dazzle" or "wrinkle."

Sigil: The "-il" ending comes directly from the Latin word
"sigillum" (seal), where it reflects a Latin grammatical case.

__________ Even though "little," "tittle," and "puzzle" all end in
"-le," their etymological roots differ.

"Sigil" borrows the ending directly from Latin.

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 by: Tilde - Mon, 1 Apr 2024 03:50 UTC

HenHanna wrote:
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> Are the endings of words [ little, tittle, puzzle, $%*sigil ] from the
> same origin?
>

On a possible related note

https://www.abarim-publications.com/NaLi/2plusEl.html

Names ending in "el"

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 by: wugi - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 16:46 UTC

Op 31/03/2024 om 22:48 schreef HenHanna:
>
> Are the endings of words [ little, tittle, puzzle, $%*sigil ] from the
> same origin?
>
>
> No, the endings of the words "little," "tittle," "puzzle," and "sigil"
> are not from the same origin.
>
> Little:       The "-tle" ending comes from Proto-Germanic roots
> associated with smallness and bending.
>
> Tittle:       This word likely originated from a Latin term "titulus"
> meaning "inscription" or "superscription." The "-le" ending here is
> likely influenced by the French diminutive suffix "-le," which means
> "small."
>
> Puzzle:       This word's origin is uncertain, but it likely emerged in
> Middle English.    The most common theory suggests it relates to the
> verb "to pose" or "to be bewildering."     The "-le" ending here might
> be a suffix added to form a noun, similar to "dazzle" or "wrinkle."

not a noun: a frequentative.

>
> Sigil:       The "-il" ending comes directly from the Latin word
> "sigillum" (seal), where it reflects a Latin grammatical case.
>
>
> __________ Even though "little," "tittle," and "puzzle" all end in
> "-le," their etymological roots differ.
>
> "Sigil" borrows the ending directly from Latin.

According to etymonline:

Little: perhaps a diminutive of OE. lyt "little, few"
Tittle: like title, from L. titulus, of unknown origin (looks like a
diminutive but...) (F. titre, Sp. tilde)
Puzzle: possibly frequentative of "pose", comp. nuzzle/nose.
Sigil: from L. sigillum, diminutive of signum, "sign".

The possible relationship between L. and Germanic diminutive endings
-ilus, -ulus, -il/-el... and also with frequentatives -ul/ilare; -le,
-el/eln/elen, -er/ern/eren... would interest me as well.

--
guido wugi

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 by: Ed Cryer - Tue, 2 Apr 2024 20:57 UTC

8wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> wrote:
> Op 31/03/2024 om 22:48 schreef HenHanna:
>>
>> Are the endings of words [ little, tittle, puzzle, $%*sigil ] from the
>> same origin?
>>
>>
>> No, the endings of the words "little," "tittle," "puzzle," and "sigil"
>> are not from the same origin.
>>
>> Little:       The "-tle" ending comes from Proto-Germanic roots
>> associated with smallness and bending.
>>
>> Tittle:       This word likely originated from a Latin term "titulus"
>> meaning "inscription" or "superscription." The "-le" ending here is
>> likely influenced by the French diminutive suffix "-le," which means
>> "small."
>>
>> Puzzle:       This word's origin is uncertain, but it likely emerged in
>> Middle English.    The most common theory suggests it relates to the
>> verb "to pose" or "to be bewildering."     The "-le" ending here might
>> be a suffix added to form a noun, similar to "dazzle" or "wrinkle."
>
> not a noun: a frequentative.
>
>>
>> Sigil:       The "-il" ending comes directly from the Latin word
>> "sigillum" (seal), where it reflects a Latin grammatical case.
>>
>>
>> __________ Even though "little," "tittle," and "puzzle" all end in
>> "-le," their etymological roots differ.
>>
>> "Sigil" borrows the ending directly from Latin.
>
> According to etymonline:
>
> Little: perhaps a diminutive of OE. lyt "little, few"
> Tittle: like title, from L. titulus, of unknown origin (looks like a
> diminutive but...) (F. titre, Sp. tilde)
> Puzzle: possibly frequentative of "pose", comp. nuzzle/nose.
> Sigil: from L. sigillum, diminutive of signum, "sign".
>
> The possible relationship between L. and Germanic diminutive endings
> -ilus, -ulus, -il/-el... and also with frequentatives -ul/ilare; -le,
> -el/eln/elen, -er/ern/eren... would interest me as well.
>

Latin source; and before that, no doubt, Indo-Europaean.
Graeculus
Dolabella
Homunculus
etc
etc
etc

--
Ed

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