This release has a lot of fixes and improvements. A fairly comprehensive
web-server application is included, which runs as a self-contained web
server, or runs under an existing web-server as a CGI script, or runs as
an 'stunnel' process.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php/topic,2683.0.html

On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.

I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
see it for oneself.

On 14/05/2023 18:31, dxforth wrote:
> On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
>> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.
>
> I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
> Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
> no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
> circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
> It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
> see it for oneself.

Alas! I too, am (occasionally) apt to write a bug. It's the curse of
being mortal, I suppose.

My users find some bugs, which is helpful. I find others when I'm using
8th to do something... very much as you describe.

The most recent bug discovered was due to a very stupid mistake on my
part when adding functionality to the date parsing routine. A 'false'
should have been 'true', but even with 40+ years of experience, I didn't
notice it until the bug was reported.

On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 11:41:40 PM UTC-4, Ron AARON wrote:
> On 14/05/2023 18:31, dxforth wrote:
> > On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
> >> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.
> >
> > I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
> > Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
> > no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
> > circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
> > It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
> > see it for oneself.
> Alas! I too, am (occasionally) apt to write a bug. It's the curse of
> being mortal, I suppose.
>
> My users find some bugs, which is helpful. I find others when I'm using
> 8th to do something... very much as you describe.
>
> The most recent bug discovered was due to a very stupid mistake on my
> part when adding functionality to the date parsing routine. A 'false'
> should have been 'true', but even with 40+ years of experience, I didn't
> notice it until the bug was reported.

No need to worry. I read that GPT-6 is going to handle all that for us soon.

:-)

On 16/05/2023 11:37 am, Brian Fox wrote:
> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 11:41:40 PM UTC-4, Ron AARON wrote:
>> On 14/05/2023 18:31, dxforth wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
>>>> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.
>>>
>>> I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
>>> Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
>>> no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
>>> circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
>>> It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
>>> see it for oneself.
>> Alas! I too, am (occasionally) apt to write a bug. It's the curse of
>> being mortal, I suppose.
>>
>> My users find some bugs, which is helpful. I find others when I'm using
>> 8th to do something... very much as you describe.
>>
>> The most recent bug discovered was due to a very stupid mistake on my
>> part when adding functionality to the date parsing routine. A 'false'
>> should have been 'true', but even with 40+ years of experience, I didn't
>> notice it until the bug was reported.
>
> No need to worry. I read that GPT-6 is going to handle all that for us soon.
>
> :-)

Give AI all the fun of self-flagellation? That would be short-sighed :)

On 16/05/2023 4:37, Brian Fox wrote:
> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 11:41:40 PM UTC-4, Ron AARON wrote:
>> On 14/05/2023 18:31, dxforth wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
>>>> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.
>>>
>>> I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
>>> Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
>>> no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
>>> circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
>>> It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
>>> see it for oneself.
>> Alas! I too, am (occasionally) apt to write a bug. It's the curse of
>> being mortal, I suppose.
>>
>> My users find some bugs, which is helpful. I find others when I'm using
>> 8th to do something... very much as you describe.
>>
>> The most recent bug discovered was due to a very stupid mistake on my
>> part when adding functionality to the date parsing routine. A 'false'
>> should have been 'true', but even with 40+ years of experience, I didn't
>> notice it until the bug was reported.
>
> No need to worry. I read that GPT-6 is going to handle all that for us soon.
>
> :-)

:)

On 16/05/2023 5:59, dxforth wrote:
> On 16/05/2023 11:37 am, Brian Fox wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 11:41:40 PM UTC-4, Ron AARON wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2023 18:31, dxforth wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
>>>>> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.
>>>>
>>>> I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
>>>> Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
>>>> no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
>>>> circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
>>>> It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
>>>> see it for oneself.
>>> Alas! I too, am (occasionally) apt to write a bug. It's the curse of
>>> being mortal, I suppose.
>>>
>>> My users find some bugs, which is helpful. I find others when I'm using
>>> 8th to do something... very much as you describe.
>>>
>>> The most recent bug discovered was due to a very stupid mistake on my
>>> part when adding functionality to the date parsing routine. A 'false'
>>> should have been 'true', but even with 40+ years of experience, I didn't
>>> notice it until the bug was reported.
>>
>> No need to worry. I read that GPT-6 is going to handle all that for us soon.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Give AI all the fun of self-flagellation? That would be short-sighed :)

Well, I'm old enough to remember when we were told that "drag-n-drop"
would take over the programming world, and everyone would be able to be
a programmer...

On 16/05/2023 1:33 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
>
>
> On 16/05/2023 5:59, dxforth wrote:
>> On 16/05/2023 11:37 am, Brian Fox wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 11:41:40 PM UTC-4, Ron AARON wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2023 18:31, dxforth wrote:
>>>>> On 14/05/2023 5:08 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
>>>>>> This release has a lot of fixes and improvements.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel somewhat comforted by the fact I'm not the only one who creates bugs.
>>>>> Do you have to find them yourself? Deciding to improve an old routine for
>>>>> no particular reason, I discovered the original would fail in specialized
>>>>> circumstances - a defect none of my previous testing and usage had uncovered.
>>>>> It's one thing for others to cast doubt on one's abilities - quite another to
>>>>> see it for oneself.
>>>> Alas! I too, am (occasionally) apt to write a bug. It's the curse of
>>>> being mortal, I suppose.
>>>>
>>>> My users find some bugs, which is helpful. I find others when I'm using
>>>> 8th to do something... very much as you describe.
>>>>
>>>> The most recent bug discovered was due to a very stupid mistake on my
>>>> part when adding functionality to the date parsing routine. A 'false'
>>>> should have been 'true', but even with 40+ years of experience, I didn't
>>>> notice it until the bug was reported.
>>>
>>> No need to worry. I read that  GPT-6 is going to handle all that for us soon.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Give AI all the fun of self-flagellation?  That would be short-sighed :)
>
> Well, I'm old enough to remember when we were told that "drag-n-drop" would take over the programming world, and everyone would be able to be a programmer...

Best they can offer is a way of making the mundane stuff easier to do.
Personally I like washing dishes by hand. But then I don't work in a
restaurant nor have numerous kids to feed.