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* Re: Testing (sorry)Thomas Passin
`* Re: Testing (sorry)Grant Edwards
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 +- Re: Testing (sorry)Skip Montanaro
 +- Re: Testing (sorry)Thomas Passin
 `- Re: Testing (sorry)Peter J. Holzer

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 by: Thomas Passin - Mon, 19 Feb 2024 02:34 UTC

On 2/18/2024 6:09 PM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-02-18, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list <python-list@python.org> wrote:
>> [Replying to the list *and* Grant]
>>
>> On 2024-02-17 19:38:04 -0500, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>>> Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
>>> weeks has shown up on the list.
>>
>> January 29th, AFAICS. And end of december before that.
>>
>>> I don't know how to troubleshoot this other than sending test
>>> messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the list, then I've gotten
>>> it to work...
>>
>> This did show up and 3 other test messages with very similar text
>> as well.
>>
>> Also there was a whole flurry of almost but not quite identical messages
>> from you in the "nan" thread.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> All of those were posted at various times throughout the day yesterday
> using two different accounts, two different mail servers, and three
> different methods for submitting the e-mails. I finally gave up and
> switched to using comp.lang.python via Usenet.
>
> Then, about 24 hours later, all those messages finally showed up.
>
> At one point about half way through that process yesterday, I
> unsusbscribed and then re-subscribed both e-mail addresses. I got
> confirmation and welcome messages on both accounts. Sending "help"
> requests to the list server produced the expected results. I enabled
> the sending of confirmation messages from the list server.
>
> But posts to the list still seemed to vanish into the ether while
> emails from both accounts reached other destinations without delay,
>
> During this process a number of posts from other users did appear in
> the list archive and at at _one_ of the two e-mail addresses which I
> had subscribed.
>
> But no sign of any of my posts.
>
> About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
> all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
> e-mail accounts.
>
> I still have no clue what was going on...

Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.

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 by: Grant Edwards - Mon, 19 Feb 2024 14:17 UTC

On 2024-02-19, Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net> wrote:

>> About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
>> all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
>> e-mail accounts.
>>
>> I still have no clue what was going on...
>
> Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
> They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
> provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
> that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.

I guess that in future I'll wait a couple days before I assume
something is broken.

--
Grant

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 by: Thomas Passin - Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:38 UTC

On 2/19/2024 9:17 AM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net> wrote:
>
>>> About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
>>> all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
>>> e-mail accounts.
>>>
>>> I still have no clue what was going on...
>>
>> Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
>> They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
>> provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
>> that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.

Here is a typical bounce message that I get:

<python-list@python.org>: host mail.python.org[188.166.95.178] said:
450-4.3.2
Service currently unavailable 450 4.3.2

Some time after I get one of these messages I re-send the post. Usually
it gets through then.

> I guess that in future I'll wait a couple days before I assume
> something is broken.
>
> --
> Grant
>

Re: Testing (sorry)

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Subject: Re: Testing (sorry)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 10:55:46 -0600
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 by: Skip Montanaro - Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:55 UTC

>
> Here is a typical bounce message that I get:
>
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>
> Some time after I get one of these messages I re-send the post. Usually
> it gets through then.
>

Looks kinda like greylisting to me. I'm pretty sure that's one of the tool
in the mail.python.org chain.

Skip

>

Re: Testing (sorry)

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 by: Thomas Passin - Mon, 19 Feb 2024 17:05 UTC

On 2/19/2024 11:55 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Here is a typical bounce message that I get:
>
> <python-list@python.org <mailto:python-list@python.org>>: host
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>
> Some time after I get one of these messages I re-send the post.
> Usually
> it gets through then.
>
>
> Looks kinda like greylisting to me. I'm pretty sure that's one of the
> tool in the mail.python.org <http://mail.python.org> chain.

I don't see it as greylisting. A repeat post will succeed, before there
would be time for my email provider (Dreamhost) to do anything about it.

Re: Testing (sorry)

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On 2024-02-19 11:38:54 -0500, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On 2/19/2024 9:17 AM, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> > On 2024-02-19, Thomas Passin <list1@tompassin.net> wrote:
> > > > About 24 hours later, all of my posts (and the confirmation e-mails)
> > > > all showed up in a burst at the same time on two different unrelated
> > > > e-mail accounts.
> > > >
> > > > I still have no clue what was going on...
> > >
> > > Sometimes a post of mine will not show up for hours or even half a day.
> > > They are all addressed directly to the list. Sometimes my email
> > > provider sends me a notice that the message bounced. Those notices say
> > > that the address wasn't available when the transmission was tried.
>
> Here is a typical bounce message that I get:
>
> <python-list@python.org>: host mail.python.org[188.166.95.178] said:
> 450-4.3.2
> Service currently unavailable 450 4.3.2

This is a *temporary* error. Your provider's server should retry
delivering the message for a decent amount of time (3 to 7 days is
customary).

Your provider's server may send you a notification that the mail cannot
currently be delivered and that it will keep trying. Such notifications
are usually sent after a much shorter period (a few hours).

hp

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