If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling.

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 2:40:57 AM UTC+2, dxf wrote:
> If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
> a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
> on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling..

Can't find anything on this with a Google search.

-marcel

On 21/10/2023 7:21 pm, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 2:40:57 AM UTC+2, dxf wrote:
>> If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
>> a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
>> on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling.
>
> Can't find anything on this with a Google search.

Are you surprised? :)

Thinking it was just a technical glitch, I contacted the NNTP service
(Ausics) who advised they and several other providers had taken the
action after numerous complaints to Google had come to naught. In
their announcement Ausics stated they had a duty under Law not to
allow their service to be used for illicit activity.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
Marcel Hendrix <mhx@iae.nl> wrote:
>
> Can't find anything on this with a Google search.
>

Searched (had to refine terms a couple of times): "UDP (Usenet Death Penalty) served on Google"
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=UDP+(Usenet+Death+Penalty)++served++on+Google&t=h_&ia=web

Way down hits, at 15th after ad:
https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/a1cO0I0U/usenet-death-policy-udp-for-google-groups

Jan Coombs
--

Trying to de-google my new phone:
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Or buy one ready-done:
https://murena.com/products/smartphones/

Murena also have factory refurbished from £200, but can't find them now:-(

all equipped (I think) with:
/e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled”, mobile ecosystem
https://e.foundation/e-os/

On 10/20/23 7:40 PM, dxf wrote:
> If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
> a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
> on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling.
>
>
No UDP for Google groups as I see the continuing tide of spam
originating from there at comp.arch. Not as bad as I have seen but still
annoying.

--
http://davesrocketworks.com
David Schultz

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 1:00:00 PM UTC+2, jan Coombs wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
[..]
> Way down hits, at 15th after ad:
> https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/a1cO0I0U/usenet-death-policy-udp-for-google-groups

16 years old?

Maybe I misinterpreted dxf's posting.

-marcel

On 21/10/2023 11:27 pm, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 1:00:00 PM UTC+2, jan Coombs wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 01:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
> [..]
>> Way down hits, at 15th after ad:
>> https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/a1cO0I0U/usenet-death-policy-udp-for-google-groups
>
> 16 years old?
>
> Maybe I misinterpreted dxf's posting.

Below is the Ausics announcement. Doubtless other NNTP services
participating in the ban will have advised their uses.

From: noel <deletethis@invalid.lan>
Subject: googlegroups UDP
Newsgroups: ausics.announce
Date: 14 Oct 2023 01:33:11 +1000

google has failed to act upon multiple complints by multiple NNTP
services over past 7 months, they have ignored and done nothing, trhe
problem has in fact got much much worse, it's out of control, as such a
UDP has been called for on google, it has bee accepted and initiated by
several NNTP providers, I have resisted but as of 0100 14 Oct 23 I too
have now UDP'd google.

This UDP on googlegroups will be revised in 90 days, but since a large
number of usenet admins have been strongly complaining to google for many
many months, I don't see anything changing, google either thing they are
too big to block (big mistake), or simply don't care.

I have a duty under Law to not permit drug dealers to use my service, the
ban is now in effect.

On 21/10/2023 11:00 pm, David Schultz wrote:
> On 10/20/23 7:40 PM, dxf wrote:
>> If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
>> a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
>> on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling.
>>
>>
> No UDP for Google groups as I see the continuing tide of spam originating from there at comp.arch. Not as bad as I have seen but still annoying.

I notice c.l.c is bitterly complaining of mass spam. It's perhaps no
surprise NNTP services are finally boycotting the source. Unfortunately
the collateral damage is legit users.

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 6:46:43 AM UTC+2, dxf wrote:
> > No UDP for Google groups as I see the continuing tide of spam originating
> from there at comp.arch. Not as bad as I have seen but still annoying.
> I notice c.l.c is bitterly complaining of mass spam. It's perhaps no
> surprise NNTP services are finally boycotting the source. Unfortunately
> the collateral damage is legit users.

CLF currently has a lot of spam, too, at least in the Google environment.

I can report it. Not sure it does more than make it invisible for myself.

-marcel

Marcel Hendrix schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2023 um 19:13:01 UTC+2:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 6:46:43 AM UTC+2, dxf wrote:
> > > No UDP for Google groups as I see the continuing tide of spam originating
> > from there at comp.arch. Not as bad as I have seen but still annoying.
> > I notice c.l.c is bitterly complaining of mass spam. It's perhaps no
> > surprise NNTP services are finally boycotting the source. Unfortunately
> > the collateral damage is legit users.
> CLF currently has a lot of spam, too, at least in the Google environment.
>
> I can report it. Not sure it does more than make it invisible for myself.
c.l.c is being massively flooded by spam bots, spams arriving by the minute and less.
if c.l.f becomes another target, it will be dead soon.

On 26/10/2023 4:12 am, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 6:46:43 AM UTC+2, dxf wrote:
>>> No UDP for Google groups as I see the continuing tide of spam originating
>> from there at comp.arch. Not as bad as I have seen but still annoying.
>> I notice c.l.c is bitterly complaining of mass spam. It's perhaps no
>> surprise NNTP services are finally boycotting the source. Unfortunately
>> the collateral damage is legit users.
>
> CLF currently has a lot of spam, too, at least in the Google environment.
>
> I can report it. Not sure it does more than make it invisible for myself.

eternal-september feed shows spam on c.l.c but not c.l.f. Don't know why
the latter should be immune.

Hi,

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:22:52 PM UTC-5, dxf wrote:
>
> From: noel <delet...@invalid.lan>
> Subject: googlegroups UDP
> Newsgroups: ausics.announce
> Date: 14 Oct 2023 01:33:11 +1000
>
> google has failed to act upon multiple complints by multiple NNTP
> services over past 7 months, they have ignored and done nothing, trhe
> problem has in fact got much much worse, it's out of control
>
> This UDP on googlegroups will be revised in 90 days, but since a large
> number of usenet admins have been strongly complaining to google for many
> many months, I don't see anything changing, google either thing they are
> too big to block (big mistake), or simply don't care.

Although Google makes questionable decisions sometimes (e.g. comp.lang.oberon has long been banned for no reason), I suspect this is due to high volume and not enough time or energy to constantly try to stop thousands of useless spammers across numerous services. It's probably very tedious, or even unwinnable, to constantly watch and try to stop everything.

comp.os.msdos.djgpp has also been under deluge these past few days.

On 26/10/2023 1:13 pm, rugxulo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:22:52 PM UTC-5, dxf wrote:
>>
>> From: noel <delet...@invalid.lan>
>> Subject: googlegroups UDP
>> Newsgroups: ausics.announce
>> Date: 14 Oct 2023 01:33:11 +1000
>>
>> google has failed to act upon multiple complints by multiple NNTP
>> services over past 7 months, they have ignored and done nothing, trhe
>> problem has in fact got much much worse, it's out of control
>>
>> This UDP on googlegroups will be revised in 90 days, but since a large
>> number of usenet admins have been strongly complaining to google for many
>> many months, I don't see anything changing, google either thing they are
>> too big to block (big mistake), or simply don't care.
>
> Although Google makes questionable decisions sometimes (e.g. comp.lang.oberon has long been banned for no reason), I suspect this is due to high volume and not enough time or energy to constantly try to stop thousands of useless spammers across numerous services. It's probably very tedious, or even unwinnable, to constantly watch and try to stop everything.
>
> comp.os.msdos.djgpp has also been under deluge these past few days.

Google-groups has an obligation to police its end of Usenet. Their
failure to do so has resulted in other providers boycotting them.
To do nothing would guarantee the end of Usenet.

dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:

> To do nothing would guarantee the end of Usenet.

That won't happen. If GG or the peering servers don't act, bandwidth
used for spam is not the bottleneck today and filtering away all GG
posts is easy.

But I'd miss some digital neighbours if the last line of defence would
be unconditionally dropping all GG posts on my end. Fine tuned
filtering is not a permanent option. Currently I only filter the Thai
spam and everything else is handled manually.

So how can we nudge the GG users to switch their Usenet provider?

For getting this answered I'd be willing to bear this spam tsunami some
more weeks. But there will be a day when I start to drop everything
from GG unread. 2024-01-01?

--
Gandhi II (1989) -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ega5Rcct2s

minforth <minforth@arcor.de> writes:
>if c.l.f becomes another target, it will be dead soon.

c.l.f has existed before Google Groups, and it will continue to exist
after Google Groups. If Google's inaction on spam makes c.l.f
unusable through Gogle Groups, just switch to a proper Usenet server
(and client).

- anton
--
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comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
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rugxulo <rugxulo@gmail.com> writes:
>Hi,
>
>On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:22:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5, dxf wrote:
>Although Google makes questionable decisions sometimes (e.g. comp.lang.ober=
>on has long been banned for no reason), I suspect this is due to high volum=
>e and not enough time or energy to constantly try to stop thousands of usel=
>ess spammers across numerous services. It's probably very tedious, or even =
>unwinnable, to constantly watch and try to stop everything.

And yet eternal-september and other Usenet servers manage to delete
this spam coming through Google (and they would not have to if Google
did their homework). So it's not as if Google cannot act against this
spam, it's just that they don't want to.

- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: https://forth-standard.org/
EuroForth 2023: https://euro.theforth.net/2023

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 3:25:54 PM UTC-4, minforth wrote:
> Marcel Hendrix schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2023 um 19:13:01 UTC+2:
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 6:46:43 AM UTC+2, dxf wrote:
> > > > No UDP for Google groups as I see the continuing tide of spam originating
> > > from there at comp.arch. Not as bad as I have seen but still annoying..
> > > I notice c.l.c is bitterly complaining of mass spam. It's perhaps no
> > > surprise NNTP services are finally boycotting the source. Unfortunately
> > > the collateral damage is legit users.
> > CLF currently has a lot of spam, too, at least in the Google environment.
> >
> > I can report it. Not sure it does more than make it invisible for myself.
> c.l.c is being massively flooded by spam bots, spams arriving by the minute and less.
> if c.l.f becomes another target, it will be dead soon.

Start a thread on this. You know the group is dead when there is too much spam to find the thread again.

--

Rick C.

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On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:56:25 AM UTC+2, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
[..]
> Start a thread on this. You know the group is dead when there is too much spam to find the thread again.

Only one thread: "OT: Google sanctioned with UDP" had SPAM. It stopped yesterday.

-marcel
> --
>
> Rick C.
>
> - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
> - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:46:44 AM UTC-4, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:56:25 AM UTC+2, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
> [..]
> > Start a thread on this. You know the group is dead when there is too much spam to find the thread again.
> Only one thread: "OT: Google sanctioned with UDP" had SPAM. It stopped yesterday.

There are many threads that are just spam. I guess your server is deleting them. GG doesn't.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 10:40:57 am UTC+10, dxf wrote:
> If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
> a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
> on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling..

Ok. I don't check mail much anymore, and found this. Just reported 60.
Google filters all spam on email, even the stuff you sign up for sometimes,
So they can easily filter it.

What you will find od some junior/s are in charge, or some other overwhelmed
Group. I've complained about the reply button not being visible in mobile mode
for years, and a few other common sense practical ideas before.
Nothing! That's a sign. After they bought the service. It struggled, then stagnated.

What really needs to be done is senior management and shareholders of the group
be asked to fix it. As a massive.. Then maybe everything will get fixed and
Upgraded. You don't ask don't care, or can't do people.

They could be making a packet out of this, but even YouTube looks good
compared to this.

I would put banner ads relative to the group or thread at the top of each screen.
Very simple, no days mining needed past knowing what they are publicly reading.

On 11/11/2023 8:41 pm, S 1 wrote:
> On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 10:40:57 am UTC+10, dxf wrote:
>> If you're not seeing posts originating from google-groups it may be as
>> a result of your news server having imposed a UDP (Usenet Death Penalty)
>> on Google for failing to act on spam, in particular illicit drug peddling.
>
> Ok. I don't check mail much anymore, and found this. Just reported 60.
> Google filters all spam on email, even the stuff you sign up for sometimes,
> So they can easily filter it.
>
> What you will find od some junior/s are in charge, or some other overwhelmed
> Group. I've complained about the reply button not being visible in mobile mode
> for years, and a few other common sense practical ideas before.
> Nothing! That's a sign. After they bought the service. It struggled, then stagnated.
>
> What really needs to be done is senior management and shareholders of the group
> be asked to fix it. As a massive.. Then maybe everything will get fixed and
> Upgraded. You don't ask don't care, or can't do people.

Usenet providers had been approaching Google for months (if not years) to do
something about the spam originating from GG. According to an email I received
these providers have been applying filters but it's a never-ending game of
whack-a-mole as spammers workaround the filters.
> They could be making a packet out of this, but even YouTube looks good
> compared to this.
>
> I would put banner ads relative to the group or thread at the top of each screen.
> Very simple, no days mining needed past knowing what they are publicly reading.

You're suggesting GG spewing spam into Usenet for other providers to clean up
is a tactic to monetize it? I wouldn't put it past them :)