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Subject: Re: FPGA4th
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 by: Hugh Aguilar - Tue, 2 May 2023 03:24 UTC

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:47:36 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> A gifted programmer, with no experience was given a chance,
> succeeded and was let go after he finished because there was
> nothing for him to do.
> ...
> Which indicated he was a creative individual and like many creative
> individuals, might be difficult to work with. A truth that's easily verified
> by reading posts on this and many other tech newsgroups.

John Hart makes it sound as if I'm the scourge of the internet and have
been banned from multiple tech newsgroups. He says this because he wants
people to believe that the entire world is 100% aligned with him in opposition to me.
This isn't true, though. I have only been banned from CLAX. This was here:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.asm.x86/c/IVtSmnc2ddw/m/CH3O3IUjBAAJ

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 7:36:13 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:30:03 -0700 (PDT)
> hughag...@nospicedham.gmail.com wrote:
> > How much cost is there in doing a JMP (unconditional)? This is always
> > predicted correctly, so there shouldn't be much cost --- the
> > trace-cache doesn't get emptied out and refilled --- OTOH, a new
> > 16-byte paragraph has to be loaded and compiled because the jump
> > destination is not likely to be in the same paragraph as the JMP is.
> > I wonder about this question because quite a lot of my primitives end
> > in DROP --- should I have a JMP to the DROP function, or should I
> > inline the DROP code? Also, is there any difference in speed between
> > a JMP with an 8-bit displacement and a JMP with a 16-bit displacement?
> ¿Qué? Habla Inglés por favor. Lenguaje ensamblador no tiene una
> instrucción DROP. Los programadores del Forth en comp.lang.forth
> pueden saber sobre DROP. (Gracias, Google Translate.)
> > The x86 continues to be mysterious to me --- certainly the most
> > complicated processor that I've ever worked with...
> "Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200."

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 4:48:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Kotler wrote:
> hughag...@nospicedham.gmail.com wrote:
>
> ...
> > Rod Pemberton is a troll.
> Bye, Hugh.
>
> Sincerely,
> Frank

So, I'm kicked out of CLAX. :-( This is presumably what John Hart is describing.
Frank Kotler the moderator apparently is Rod Pemberton's protector.

Fortunately, Frank Kotler is not the moderator on comp.lang.forth.
Here we have John Hart's favorite thread:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/wydQr643gX0/m/9rwVaID9CAAJ

Frank Kotler would have certainly banned me from comp.lang.forth for this:

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 10:41:26 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 4:31:35 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > Hugh called me racist for something that's not racist, but something
> > which actually pointed out racism. It pointed out racism against white
> > people. The fact that you misinterpreted it and attempted to falsely
> > twist it into something it wasn't so that it fit into your biased
> > political narrative, i.e., racism against black people, doesn't change
> > the fact that what I said was wholly non-racist and is still is true.
> I actually call Rod Pemberton a racist because he calls me a "minority."
> This is an example:
> On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 7:56:17 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 11:54:09 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > > For you, as a minority (in the U.S.), this would seem to be a rather
> > > bizarre and wholly illogical perspective. If the FBI is willing to
> > > discriminate against the majority race (white people, i.e., people of
> > > European descent) in the U.S., do you think that the FBI would even
> > > hesitate to not discriminate against minorities?
> >
> > Piss off, racist troll!
>
> I'm not actually a minority unless I explicitly play the minority card,
> such as by applying for Affirmative Action. I have never done this.
> Rod Pemberton cares if I am in a minority race or I am in
> "the majority race (white people, i.e., people of European descent)."
> That is racism.
> That is also stupid because Spain is in Europe, so it is possible to
> have an Hispanic name (Aguilar) and yet be white.
> Even more stupid is that I may be of Spanish descent, but I'm a
> 5th generation American, so this is of historical interest at best.
>
> In general, only racists care what my skin color is.
> Weirdly, racist Mexicans say: "You can't speak Spanish. You're white!"
> Racist Whites say: "You have an Hispanic name. You're brown!"
> So, my skin color depends upon the political agenda of the observer! lol
>
> Rod Pemberton is also a stalker:
>
> On Friday, March 7, 2014 at 3:23:53 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 02:48:18 -0500, <hughag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:17:13 PM UTC-7, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> >
> > > I agree that Rod's response, especially the satellite photo of Brian's
> > > parents' house, was pretty creepy --- [..]
> >
> > Satellite photos linked to addresses, phone numbers, and IPs are the
> > modern phonebook and streetmap ... It's only creepy to those who
> > haven't moved into the modern era of Microsoft Streets and Trips,
> > Google's satellite maps, and, of course, "Big Brother." Or, it's
> > creepy for those who haven't accepted or willfully ignore the NSA
> > and CIA spying, and illegal U.S. government TSA body scans, etc.
> >
> > You've been told about posting your IP too. Even so, you post from
> > your relative's IP. Why is that Hugh?
> >
> > Originally, I intended to do that to you a while ago when you were being
> > an ass and posting from your relatives house (Uncle?) in California. But,
> > IIRC, you mentioned something about your relative being seriously ill.
> > So, I didn't think it would've been taken well by you, not that you
> > would've
> > taken it well at any point in time ... But, hitting a guy when he's down,
> > like when a relative has died or possibly dying, is completely tactless..
> > But, I'm 100% sure that had I used that on *you* instead of the other guy,
> > it would've resulted in a far more positive response from those present..
> > Some here might've even openly applauded the effort as they've done for
> > attacks on you in the past. So, just remember that you were the one who
> > inspired such a response originally.
>
> None of this is true.
> I don't live in California, and I don't have an uncle, dying or otherwise..
> Rod Pemberton is a stalker. He tries to find people's home addresses
> and then post satellite photos of the people's home on public forums
> along with the home address. That is very creepy!
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 4:44:54 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 18:56:15 -0800 (PST)
> > hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Piss off!
> >
> > Didn't you say you got arrested for that?
> >
> > Rod Pemberton
> > --
> > "It's OK to be White." <-- investigated by FBI as a hate crime
> > "Black Lives Matter." <-- not being investigated ...
> I've been telling Rod Pemberton for years: Piss off!
> I've never been arrested for doing so.
> I intend to continue telling him this forever: Piss off!

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 by: dxforth - Tue, 2 May 2023 04:44 UTC

On 2/05/2023 1:24 pm, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
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> I have only been banned from CLAX. This was here:
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.asm.x86/c/IVtSmnc2ddw/m/CH3O3IUjBAAJ

Usenet groups can be owned/moderated by an individual? I could see Google
banning users from injecting under its terms of use but I imagine that's a
high bar seeing as spammers seem to get away with it.

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 by: Anton Ertl - Tue, 2 May 2023 09:03 UTC

dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>Usenet groups can be owned/moderated by an individual?

Moderated Usenet groups are moderated by individual moderators or
moderation teams.

- anton
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comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
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 by: dxforth - Tue, 2 May 2023 09:19 UTC

On 2/05/2023 7:03 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:
> dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>> Usenet groups can be owned/moderated by an individual?
>
> Moderated Usenet groups are moderated by individual moderators or
> moderation teams.

By what means?

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 by: Anton Ertl - Tue, 2 May 2023 10:44 UTC

dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>On 2/05/2023 7:03 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Usenet groups can be owned/moderated by an individual?
>>
>> Moderated Usenet groups are moderated by individual moderators or
>> moderation teams.
>
>By what means?

When you post to a moderated newsgroup, proper newsreaders send the
posting as email to the moderation address. If the moderator approves
the posting, the moderator adds an "Approved:" header and posts the
posting. Newsservers drop postings to moderated newsgroups that are
not approved.

- anton
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 by: Hugh Aguilar - Tue, 2 May 2023 21:36 UTC

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:56:23 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> The power of modern FPGA would blow people's minds, if they understood them.
> Advanced supercomputer have tens of thousands of chips with thousands of processes
> running in each one with more computing power than a PC. The fear about AAI taking
> over the world is based on the reality of what can be done with this power
> and how dangerous it would be if abused.
>
> Restrictions won't reduce the danger, they'll make it more dangerous, more concentrated.
> The solution to Big Tech having too much power is to empower people. Enable small business
> to use robotics and automation to compete. Something like an open source platform programed
> in Forth for automation would be the ideal tool to enable it. Focusing on solutions is the
> only way out of the mess we're in, Attacks and flame wars are a DEAD END, they accomplish
> NOTHING, and the din drowns out rational discourse.

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:07:22 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:06:51 PM UTC-7, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
> > What mess??? I must have missed something.
> > Rick C.
> Not your fault if you still rely on MSM for your news.
> America is in sharp decline on many fronts and MSM has been working overtime
> hiding it. The parts of our social economic system are strongly linked and
> a series of errors by the current administration, as serious as the Titanic
> hittting an iceberg, have occured. The only solution is to get productivity
> growing faster than debt to prevent runaway inflation, and that's going
> to require an autiomation revolution at the roots. The concentration of
> wealth by the Elite, not only stifles innovation it's extremely dangerous..
> After all, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I remember that when I was writing MFX I was striving to succeed, so I
often worked late hours. John Hart worked late too. That's teamwork!
John Hart would often wander into my office carrying a 32-ounce cup
from Circle-K that was filled with what appeared to be lemonade.
He would deliver rambling monologues about weird off-topic subjects.
Here on comp.lang.forth he is lecturing Rick Collins on how AI could
take over the world, and how MSN is covering up the mess we are in.
John Hart is making a fool out of himself. For one thing, Rick Collins
is a nasty troll that I haven't responded to in many years, but John Hart
is treating him as a peer. This is just as dumb as treating Juergen Pintaske
as a peer! Rick Collins and Juergen Pintaske are pigs! They aren't my peers..
John Hart is mostly making a fool out of himself because he comes off as
a crackpot. I agree that the American economy is failing in pretty much the
same way that the Soviet economy failed in 1991, but what am I supposed to
do about it? Crackpot theories on internet forum aren't a positive contribution.

There were a wide variety of crackpot theories that John Hart would discourse
on, but he mostly was interested in the creationism and pro-life causes.
When I visited Testra a few years ago, shortly after Testra's attack against me on
comp.lang.forth began, John Hart told me that he was retired and that his new "job"
was railing against abortion on internet forums (the railing was done on internet forums;
the abortions were presumably done at Planned Parenthood). Now abortion has been
made illegal in Arizona --- this is presumably why John Hart is back to his old job of
developing the RACE processor --- here he is with a vaporware announcement!

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:47:36 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> [Hugh] was a creative individual and like many creative
> individuals, might be difficult to work with.

John Hart was very difficult to work with. Those rambling monologues could
really weird out an employee! I thought of them as the "32-ounce discourses"
because he would carry around his 32-ounce Circle-K cup while pontificating..
I was suspicious that his drink was spiked, but I never bothered to get out of
my chair to smell his breath, so I don't know. A big part of my job was reeling
him in and getting him to just focus on the MiniForth development. I knew that
we would never succeed if we waste time worrying about AI taking over the world.
As for MSN, I don't care if it is better or worse than other free internet news. That
is like debating on whether it is worse to step in horse apples or cow patties.

Within the context of John Hart being the weirdest boss that I've ever had,
I find it quite insulting that he is now all over the internet warning all potential
employers that they must not hire me because I'm difficult to work with.
I was willing to put up with him being difficult to work with because I understood that
creative people usually are --- but now he denounces me for being difficult to work with.
I succeeded at writing MFX! This was despite getting zero support from John Hart
in regard to advice on how to write MFX, and despite John Hart's weirdness.
Instead of getting thanked, I get attacked for three decades running...

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 by: dxforth - Wed, 3 May 2023 02:21 UTC

On 2/05/2023 1:24 pm, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
>
> I have only been banned from CLAX.

Didn't you say you were banned from the Win32Forth group? Not that it
mattered. Where is it today? Where are you today?

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 by: Jurgen Pitaske - Wed, 3 May 2023 05:49 UTC

On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 22:36:17 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:56:23 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > The power of modern FPGA would blow people's minds, if they understood them.
> > Advanced supercomputer have tens of thousands of chips with thousands of processes
> > running in each one with more computing power than a PC. The fear about AAI taking
> > over the world is based on the reality of what can be done with this power
> > and how dangerous it would be if abused.
> >
> > Restrictions won't reduce the danger, they'll make it more dangerous, more concentrated.
> > The solution to Big Tech having too much power is to empower people. Enable small business
> > to use robotics and automation to compete. Something like an open source platform programed
> > in Forth for automation would be the ideal tool to enable it. Focusing on solutions is the
> > only way out of the mess we're in, Attacks and flame wars are a DEAD END, they accomplish
> > NOTHING, and the din drowns out rational discourse.
>
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:07:22 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:06:51 PM UTC-7, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
> > > What mess??? I must have missed something.
> > > Rick C.
> > Not your fault if you still rely on MSM for your news.
> > America is in sharp decline on many fronts and MSM has been working overtime
> > hiding it. The parts of our social economic system are strongly linked and
> > a series of errors by the current administration, as serious as the Titanic
> > hittting an iceberg, have occured. The only solution is to get productivity
> > growing faster than debt to prevent runaway inflation, and that's going
> > to require an autiomation revolution at the roots. The concentration of
> > wealth by the Elite, not only stifles innovation it's extremely dangerous.
> > After all, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>
> I remember that when I was writing MFX I was striving to succeed, so I
> often worked late hours. John Hart worked late too. That's teamwork!
> John Hart would often wander into my office carrying a 32-ounce cup
> from Circle-K that was filled with what appeared to be lemonade.
> He would deliver rambling monologues about weird off-topic subjects.
> Here on comp.lang.forth he is lecturing Rick Collins on how AI could
> take over the world, and how MSN is covering up the mess we are in.
> John Hart is making a fool out of himself. For one thing, Rick Collins
> is a nasty troll that I haven't responded to in many years, but John Hart
> is treating him as a peer. This is just as dumb as treating Juergen Pintaske
> as a peer! Rick Collins and Juergen Pintaske are pigs! They aren't my peers.
> John Hart is mostly making a fool out of himself because he comes off as
> a crackpot. I agree that the American economy is failing in pretty much the
> same way that the Soviet economy failed in 1991, but what am I supposed to
> do about it? Crackpot theories on internet forum aren't a positive contribution.
>
> There were a wide variety of crackpot theories that John Hart would discourse
> on, but he mostly was interested in the creationism and pro-life causes.
> When I visited Testra a few years ago, shortly after Testra's attack against me on
> comp.lang.forth began, John Hart told me that he was retired and that his new "job"
> was railing against abortion on internet forums (the railing was done on internet forums;
> the abortions were presumably done at Planned Parenthood). Now abortion has been
> made illegal in Arizona --- this is presumably why John Hart is back to his old job of
> developing the RACE processor --- here he is with a vaporware announcement!
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:47:36 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > [Hugh] was a creative individual and like many creative
> > individuals, might be difficult to work with.
> John Hart was very difficult to work with. Those rambling monologues could
> really weird out an employee! I thought of them as the "32-ounce discourses"
> because he would carry around his 32-ounce Circle-K cup while pontificating.
> I was suspicious that his drink was spiked, but I never bothered to get out of
> my chair to smell his breath, so I don't know. A big part of my job was reeling
> him in and getting him to just focus on the MiniForth development. I knew that
> we would never succeed if we waste time worrying about AI taking over the world.
> As for MSN, I don't care if it is better or worse than other free internet news. That
> is like debating on whether it is worse to step in horse apples or cow patties.
>
> Within the context of John Hart being the weirdest boss that I've ever had,
> I find it quite insulting that he is now all over the internet warning all potential
> employers that they must not hire me because I'm difficult to work with.
> I was willing to put up with him being difficult to work with because I understood that
> creative people usually are --- but now he denounces me for being difficult to work with.
> I succeeded at writing MFX! This was despite getting zero support from John Hart
> in regard to advice on how to write MFX, and despite John Hart's weirdness.
> Instead of getting thanked, I get attacked for three decades running...

HUGH AQUILIAR - GO BACK INTO YOUR RABBIT HOLE.

ANOTHER BUNCH OF ATTACKS ON PEOPLE HERE FULL OF LIES WITHOUT ANY REASON.

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 by: dxforth - Wed, 3 May 2023 06:21 UTC

On 2/05/2023 8:44 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:
> dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2/05/2023 7:03 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Usenet groups can be owned/moderated by an individual?
>>>
>>> Moderated Usenet groups are moderated by individual moderators or
>>> moderation teams.
>>
>> By what means?
>
> When you post to a moderated newsgroup, proper newsreaders send the
> posting as email to the moderation address. If the moderator approves
> the posting, the moderator adds an "Approved:" header and posts the
> posting. Newsservers drop postings to moderated newsgroups that are
> not approved.

Hopefully these groups come with a warning adults will be treated
as if they were children incapable of doing their own censoring.
Rated G.

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On Wednesday, 3 May 2023 at 07:22:48 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
> On 2/05/2023 8:44 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > dxforth <dxf...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> On 2/05/2023 7:03 pm, Anton Ertl wrote:
> >>> dxforth <dxf...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>> Usenet groups can be owned/moderated by an individual?
> >>>
> >>> Moderated Usenet groups are moderated by individual moderators or
> >>> moderation teams.
> >>
> >> By what means?
> >
> > When you post to a moderated newsgroup, proper newsreaders send the
> > posting as email to the moderation address. If the moderator approves
> > the posting, the moderator adds an "Approved:" header and posts the
> > posting. Newsservers drop postings to moderated newsgroups that are
> > not approved.

> Hopefully these groups come with a warning adults will be treated
> as if they were children incapable of doing their own censoring.
> Rated G.

Rated G
A G rated film, in the United States,
means it is for all ages.
It is a rating of the Motion Picture Association
in which the organization believes is suitable for everyone,
and all ages are admitted.
Most G-rated films are children's movies.

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On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 10:49:37 PM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 22:36:17 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:56:23 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > > The power of modern FPGA would blow people's minds, if they understood them.
> > > Advanced supercomputer have tens of thousands of chips with thousands of processes
> > > running in each one with more computing power than a PC.
<clip>
>>> flame wars are a DEAD END, they accomplish NOTHING,
>>> and the din drowns out rational discourse.
<big clip>
The price of medium FPGAs has come down to the point dedicated processors are no longer
needed, Processor IP along with logic, easily fit for many applications. Our 16bit processor,
four motor control chanels, four high speed encoders, two PWM outputs, two SPI ports, an RS485
network interface and an RS232 port, fit in Lattice's 7000 LUT device with room to spare.

We've been working on the development system for 30 years. Started with a Karnaugh map
solver, (carmap) optomized for PLDs with a Forth program defining the function. When we switched
to FPGAs it became obvious a different approach was needed for both data and control.

The Forth community has always been interested in Forth processors. Forth, being extensible, is
the ideal language for an extensible processor. And the reason posting in this forum is to see if
there's any interest in an open source tool to design reconfigurable processors. If so I'll explain
the workings of the program.

jrh

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On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:15:28 PM UTC-4, John Hart wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 10:49:37 PM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 22:36:17 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:56:23 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > > > The power of modern FPGA would blow people's minds, if they understood them.
> > > > Advanced supercomputer have tens of thousands of chips with thousands of processes
> > > > running in each one with more computing power than a PC.
> <clip>
> >>> flame wars are a DEAD END, they accomplish NOTHING,
> >>> and the din drowns out rational discourse.
> <big clip>
> The price of medium FPGAs has come down to the point dedicated processors are no longer
> needed, Processor IP along with logic, easily fit for many applications. Our 16bit processor,
> four motor control chanels, four high speed encoders, two PWM outputs, two SPI ports, an RS485
> network interface and an RS232 port, fit in Lattice's 7000 LUT device with room to spare.
>
> We've been working on the development system for 30 years. Started with a Karnaugh map
> solver, (carmap) optomized for PLDs with a Forth program defining the function. When we switched
> to FPGAs it became obvious a different approach was needed for both data and control.
>
> The Forth community has always been interested in Forth processors. Forth, being extensible, is
> the ideal language for an extensible processor. And the reason posting in this forum is to see if
> there's any interest in an open source tool to design reconfigurable processors. If so I'll explain
> the workings of the program.

Rather than post it here, maybe it would be better to write it up to go with the design?

--

Rick C.

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On Saturday, 6 May 2023 at 02:15:28 UTC+1, John Hart wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 10:49:37 PM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 22:36:17 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 11:56:23 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > > > The power of modern FPGA would blow people's minds, if they understood them.
> > > > Advanced supercomputer have tens of thousands of chips with thousands of processes
> > > > running in each one with more computing power than a PC.
> <clip>
> >>> flame wars are a DEAD END, they accomplish NOTHING,
> >>> and the din drowns out rational discourse.
> <big clip>
> The price of medium FPGAs has come down to the point dedicated processors are no longer
> needed, Processor IP along with logic, easily fit for many applications. Our 16bit processor,
> four motor control chanels, four high speed encoders, two PWM outputs, two SPI ports, an RS485
> network interface and an RS232 port, fit in Lattice's 7000 LUT device with room to spare.
>
> We've been working on the development system for 30 years. Started with a Karnaugh map
> solver, (carmap) optomized for PLDs with a Forth program defining the function. When we switched
> to FPGAs it became obvious a different approach was needed for both data and control.
>
> The Forth community has always been interested in Forth processors. Forth, being extensible, is
> the ideal language for an extensible processor. And the reason posting in this forum is to see if
> there's any interest in an open source tool to design reconfigurable processors. If so I'll explain
> the workings of the program.
>
> jrh

Really looking forward to some more of your work.
And I have a Lattice 7k board here.
If I remember correctly and it has not changed, it is easy using just the Lattice Programmer -
just to get started and see the LEDs flash and the Servos turn.
One option would be to use dropbox to store the files,
and a link here when news have happened.
Github as well.
The Forth facebook group would be an option to distribute the information.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH
And the Minimalist group is very active
https://www.facebook.com/groups/minimalistcomputing

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On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 3:40:32 AM UTC-7, SpainHackForth wrote:
> > John, after the hardship of going thought all the messages in this thread, I'm really interested in seen you work.
> <clip>
> What was posted was a preliminary definition of the instruction set used by MFX to compile processor code.
> I was hoping it might help quench a flame war that's been going on far too long
> and start a discussion on the merits of a Forth based logic generation system, Fpga4th.
> Fpga4th is now operational.
> It converts hardware described by Sets of Forth and vendor library functions into Verilog code.
> It's optimized for LUTs, generates instruction control logic and outputs code for CARMAP,
> a simple system we've used for years to convert logic described by Forth into Verilog code.
> I've been using Fpga4th to design a 32bit Forth processor tailored for a FPGA and
> optimized for control applications (16axis Motion Brain) while the system was developed.
> Forth was the first forth generation computer language, and being extensible is perfect
> for a reconfigurable computer. The goal is to provide an open source platform that will
> allow small companies to customized automation products, something big companies
> are reluctant to do. They tend to work together to limit competition and optimize profits.
> Good FPGA development systems are quite expensive so their use on small low cost
> projects can't be justified.
> jrh

I received a notice Google Groups is shutting down.
Being able to post or read things the Regime doesn't like
IS DANGEROUS!.
So access to USENET must be limited and use discouraged.

Forth, by it's very nature, is OPEN SOURCE.
That's why Corporate America didn't embrace it, even though it was the first
and most practical computer language at the time, able to be rapidly adapted
to different and extensible processors. C, with its libraries and extensions, is
a powerful language that enables corporate managers to turn programmers
into commodities they can hire and fire at will, And C makes it easy to hide what
programs do after they're compiled; a win win win for large corporations and
a barrier that makes it more difficult for small business to compete; and near
impossible for people to understand exactly what technology their lives depend
on is doing.

Now Big Tech managers are throwing billions on AGI, using libraries 'programmers'
wrote to train AI system to do what their 'programmers' have been doing. If they
succeed, massive layoffs of those employees will follow and small business will
be in even dire straits. The way out of this trap is to empower people, re-enable the
formation of capital and provide small business with low cost platforms that are
easy to use so they can automate their production lines. Forth is the ideal language
for that task. What's been holding it back is the lack of a standard for re-usable code
and logic.

John

Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
Understanding the purpose is far more important than knowing anything about anything!

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 by: John Hart - Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:09 UTC

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 1:55:30 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 5:40:58 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 3:40:32 AM UTC-7, SpainHackForth wrote:
> > > John, after the hardship of going thought all the messages in this thread, I'm really interested in seen you work.
> > <clip>
> Forth, by it's very nature, is OPEN SOURCE.

We have our first Race32 JED and I'm writing a simple test program to determine if
it's functioning.

Google is dropping support for Usenet so this post may only be visible on its server.

john

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Understanding the purpose is far more important than knowing anything about anything!

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