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The RSS John de Lange Sophisticated Prediction Contest: European Cups Group Stage 2023-2024

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Subject: The RSS John de Lange Sophisticated Prediction Contest: European Cups
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Download spreadsheets here, return to futbolmetrix@yahoo.com before the deadline.

https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Tue, 19 Sep 2023 03:12 UTC

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
>
> https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/

entries so far:

UCL
-----
Agnostic
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix)
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
Jesper
Volkan Riolo
Alessandro Riolo
Futbolmetrix

MH: please resend your entry, the attachment did not come through

UEL and UECL: just Aggie and the Riolo family for the moment

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 by: rec.sport.soccer - Tue, 19 Sep 2023 04:10 UTC

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 5:13:00 AM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
> >
> > https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/
> entries so far:
>
> UCL
> -----
> Agnostic
> Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix)
> TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
> UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
> Jesper
> Volkan Riolo
> Alessandro Riolo
> Futbolmetrix
>
> MH: please resend your entry, the attachment did not come through
>
> UEL and UECL: just Aggie and the Riolo family for the moment

Didn’t you receive my three entries?

Ciao,
Werner

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Subject: Re: The RSS John de Lange Sophisticated Prediction Contest: European
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 by: rec.sport.soccer - Tue, 19 Sep 2023 11:11 UTC

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 12:10:06 AM UTC-4, rec.sport.soccer wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 5:13:00 AM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
> > >
> > > https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/
> > entries so far:
> >
> > UCL
> > -----
> > Agnostic
> > Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix)
> > TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
> > UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
> > Jesper
> > Volkan Riolo
> > Alessandro Riolo
> > Futbolmetrix
> >
> > MH: please resend your entry, the attachment did not come through
> >
> > UEL and UECL: just Aggie and the Riolo family for the moment
> Didn’t you receive my three entries?

Yes, they had ended up in the wrong folder.

Updated list of participants:

UCL:
-------
Agnostic
Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix)
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
Jesper
Volkan Riolo
Alessandro Riolo
Futbolmetrix
Jack C
Werner
MH
Anders
@Fantomen

UEL:
----
Agnostic
Volkan Riolo
Alessandro Riolo
Jack C
Werner
@Fantomen

UECL
---------
Agnostic
Volkan Riolo
Alessandro Riolo
Jack C
Werner
@Fantomen

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:01 UTC

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 7:11:03 AM UTC-4, rec.sport.soccer wrote:

> Updated list of participants:
>
> UCL:
> -------
> Agnostic
> Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix)
> TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
> UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
> Jesper
> Volkan Riolo
> Alessandro Riolo
> Futbolmetrix
> Jack C
> Werner
> MH
> Anders
> @Fantomen

Collective Consciousness to be added.

>
> UEL:
> ----
> Agnostic
> Volkan Riolo
> Alessandro Riolo
> Jack C
> Werner
> @Fantomen
MH
Jesper


> UECL
> ---------
> Agnostic
> Volkan Riolo
> Alessandro Riolo
> Jack C
> Werner
> @Fantomen
Futbolmetrix
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix)
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
MH

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 12:54 UTC

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:01:23 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 7:11:03 AM UTC-4, rec.sport.soccer wrote:
>
> > Updated list of participants:
> >
> > UCL:
> > -------
> > Agnostic
> > Club Elo (by Futbolmetrix)
> > TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
> > UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
> > Jesper
> > Volkan Riolo
> > Alessandro Riolo
> > Futbolmetrix
> > Jack C
> > Werner
> > MH
> > Anders
> > @Fantomen
> Collective Consciousness to be added.
>

Still to be added.

> > UEL:
> > ----
> > Agnostic
> > Volkan Riolo
> > Alessandro Riolo
> > Jack C
> > Werner
> > @Fantomen
> MH
> Jesper

Futbolmetrix and the BOTs (sounds like a rock band!) added.

> > UECL
> > ---------
> > Agnostic
> > Volkan Riolo
> > Alessandro Riolo
> > Jack C
> > Werner
> > @Fantomen
> Futbolmetrix
> ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix)
> TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix)
> UEFA (by Futbolmetrix)
> MH

Jesper added.

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 by: anders t - Fri, 22 Sep 2023 13:18 UTC

Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:

>> > UEL:
>> > UECL

Sorry, only small teams this year so didn't bother.
;-)

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:25 UTC

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
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> https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/

Standings after Match Day 1

UCL
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Collective Consciousness -40.609
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -40.771
Alessandro Riolo -41.082
Werner Pichler -41.648
@fantomen -41.711
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -42.961
Volkan Riolo -43.737
Agnostic -44.361
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -44.668
13 Nil (Jack C) -45.021
Futbolmetrix -45.696
MH -46.834
Anders T -49.752
Jesper -109.715

Will Collectve Consciousness capture its first title?

UEL
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13 Nil (Jack C) -38.405
Collective Consciousness -38.949
Werner Pichler -38.977
MH -40.065
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -40.683
Alessandro Riolo -40.717
Volkan Riolo -40.901
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -41.020
Futbolmetrix -41.634
@Fantomen -42.806
Jesper -44.013
Agnostic -44.361
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -45.246

Last year's winner 13Nil going strong

UECL
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Werner Pichler -39.074
MH -39.183
Volkan Riolo -41.660
Collective Consciousness -42.382
Alessandro Riolo -43.526
Agnostic -44.361
Jesper -45.154
13 Nil (Jack C) -49.809
Futbolmetrix -51.939
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -56.189
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -56.280
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -57.130
@fantomen -61.398

Lots of Hall of Shame here. Aston Villa losing to Legia didn't help.

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Fri, 6 Oct 2023 18:42 UTC

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
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> > https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/
> Standings after Match Day 1
>

Standings after MD2

UCL:
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13 Nil (Jack C) -35.038
Collective Consciousness -36.342
@fantomen -36.925
Werner Pichler -37.070
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -37.142
Futbolmetrix -37.648
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Alessandro Riolo -40.547
Volkan Riolo -40.753
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -43.328
Agnostic -44.361
Anders T -47.522
Jesper -104.507

Jesper is actually on top of the Brier score standings

UEL:
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Werner Pichler -39.178
MH -40.933
Collective Consciousness -41.093
Futbolmetrix -41.269
13 Nil (Jack C) -41.741
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -42.924
Alessandro Riolo -43.020
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -43.412
Agnostic -44.361
Volkan Riolo -45.401
Jesper -45.451
@Fantomen -46.911
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -49.294

Just like in old times, Werner doing his Europa League thing.

UECL
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Agnostic -44.361
Werner Pichler -45.106
Volkan Riolo -45.249
Alessandro Riolo -45.282
Collective Consciousness -46.132
Jesper -46.940
MH -47.584
Futbolmetrix -55.413
13 Nil (Jack C) -55.571
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -63.157
@fantomen -63.157
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -64.545
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -66.757

LOL :-)

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:41 UTC

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:42:29 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
> > >
> > > https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/
> > Standings after Match Day 1
> >
> Standings after MD2
>
> UCL:

I'll post the full standings when all the competitions are over, but for the moment, SPOILER ALERT,
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On 12/13/2023 5:41 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:42:29 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>>> Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
>>>>
>>>> https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/
>>> Standings after Match Day 1
>>>
>> Standings after MD2
>>
>> UCL:
>
> I'll post the full standings when all the competitions are over, but for the moment, SPOILER ALERT,

Final standings:

Champions League:
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Futbolmetrix -32.322
Collective Consciousness -34.407
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -34.655
Werner Pichler -34.738
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -34.778
Alessandro Riolo -36.189
13 Nil (Jack C) -36.377
MH -36.522
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -37.086
@fantomen -39.206
Volkan Riolo -41.662
Agnostic -44.361
Anders T -46.670
Jesper -106.811

Yay! Hall of Shame for Jesper and Anders, both heavily betrayed by
Manchester United.

Europa League
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ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -28.457
13 Nil (Jack C) -30.253
Werner Pichler -30.971
@Fantomen -31.234
Collective Consciousness -32.148
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -32.764
Futbolmetrix -34.265
MH -35.142
Jesper -35.438
Alessandro Riolo -36.294
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -36.694
Volkan Riolo -38.375
Agnostic -44.361

Minor yay! There were lots of changes in the standings in the final
matchday, so this was slightly unexpected.
Everybody above Aggie.

Europa Conference League
------------------------
TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -29.259
ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -29.939
13 Nil (Jack C) -30.537
MH -31.412
Collective Consciousness -32.081
Alessandro Riolo -32.682
Werner Pichler -33.585
Jesper -34.255
Futbolmetrix -34.824
Volkan Riolo -37.080
@fantomen -42.990
Agnostic -44.361
UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -50.223

Second minor yay! Once again, changes in the standings on the final
matchday had a big effect (in particular Fenerbah$e jumping from 3rd to
1st in their group -- I think that was key for TransferMarkt's win).

Everybody above Aggie, with the exception of the poor UEFA rating...

Thanks to all for playing!

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 by: Werner Pichler - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:12 UTC

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 12:37:01 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On 12/13/2023 5:41 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:42:29 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:25:15 AM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:14:43 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> >>>> Download spreadsheets here, return to futbol...@yahoo.com before the deadline.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://futbolmetrix.wordpress.com/2023/09/17/european-cups-sophisticated-prediction-contest-group-stage-2023-2024/
> >>> Standings after Match Day 1
> >>>
> >> Standings after MD2
> >>
> >> UCL:
> >
> > I'll post the full standings when all the competitions are over, but for the moment, SPOILER ALERT,
> Final standings:
>
> Champions League:
> --------------------
> Futbolmetrix -32.322
> Collective Consciousness -34.407
> TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -34.655
> Werner Pichler -34.738
> ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -34.778
> Alessandro Riolo -36.189
> 13 Nil (Jack C) -36.377
> MH -36.522
> UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -37.086
> @fantomen -39.206
> Volkan Riolo -41.662
> Agnostic -44.361
> Anders T -46.670
> Jesper -106.811
>
> Yay! Hall of Shame for Jesper and Anders, both heavily betrayed by
> Manchester United.

I'm sure Jesper will be disconsolate.

>
> Europa League
> -------------
> ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -28.457
> 13 Nil (Jack C) -30.253
> Werner Pichler -30.971
> @Fantomen -31.234
> Collective Consciousness -32.148
> TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -32.764
> Futbolmetrix -34.265
> MH -35.142
> Jesper -35.438
> Alessandro Riolo -36.294
> UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -36.694
> Volkan Riolo -38.375
> Agnostic -44.361
>
> Minor yay! There were lots of changes in the standings in the final
> matchday, so this was slightly unexpected.
> Everybody above Aggie.
>
> Europa Conference League
> ------------------------
> TransferMarkt (by Futbolmetrix) -29.259
> ClubElo (by Futbolmetrix) -29.939
> 13 Nil (Jack C) -30.537
> MH -31.412
> Collective Consciousness -32.081
> Alessandro Riolo -32.682
> Werner Pichler -33.585
> Jesper -34.255
> Futbolmetrix -34.824
> Volkan Riolo -37.080
> @fantomen -42.990
> Agnostic -44.361
> UEFA (by Futbolmetrix) -50.223
>
>
> Second minor yay! Once again, changes in the standings on the final
> matchday had a big effect (in particular Fenerbah$e jumping from 3rd to
> 1st in their group -- I think that was key for TransferMarkt's win).
>
> Everybody above Aggie, with the exception of the poor UEFA rating...

I wonder where the UEFA rating went wrong? There were no huge surprises...

> Thanks to all for playing!

So the Champions League was actually the most difficult of the three competitions to
predict? Who knew!

Ciao,
Werner

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:59 UTC

On 12/15/2023 7:12 AM, Werner Pichler wrote:

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> So the Champions League was actually the most difficult of the three competitions to
> predict? Who knew!

Yeah, I noticed that too. I don't think it's the first time, but I'll check.

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