Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)

Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.

What to do
-----------

Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?

*Home*
- Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
=- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference

*Away*
=- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2023/9/23
- Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
=- their opponents will represent your opponent

(If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)

Fixtures
--------

Tier 1

Werner Pichler - Mark
Colo-Colo - Cobresal
FC Dallas - Columbus

milivella - Jesper Lauridsen
Everton - Huachipato
DC United - NY Red Bulls


Tier 2

Jesus Petry - MH
Colo-Colo - Cobresal
FC Dallas - Columbus

The Doctor - Futbolmetrix
Everton - Huachipato
DC United - NY Red Bulls

Futbolmetrix:

> milivella - Jesper Lauridsen
> Everton - Huachipato
> DC United - NY Red Bulls

Winner stays on.

I pick the Soteriologic Shebeans and the Superfancy Unfortunates.

(It is not that funny when you're on the other side, is it, Jes?)

Alternatively, I pick Huachipato and NY Red Bulls.

--
Cheers
milivella

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 10:14:54 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
>
> Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
>
>
>
> What to do
> -----------
>
> Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
>
> *Home*
> - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)

That means that for Tier 2 teams these matches start before their previous matches have finished. You can't play 2 matches at the same time. It's against the rules because it's unrealistic.

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:55:36 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:

> That means that for Tier 2 teams these matches start before their previous matches have finished. You can't play 2 matches at the same time. It's against the rules because it's unrealistic.

Well...UPT is sort of unrealistic. But I get your point, and in fact I wanted to change the deadline of for MD6: The home team can make its pick until the end of Thursday.

Em domingo, 17 de setembro de 2023 às 18:14:54 UTC-3, Futbolmetrix escreveu:
> Jesus Petry - MH
> Colo-Colo - Cobresal
> FC Dallas - Columbus

1. Colo-Colo
2. Dallas

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:19:14 PM UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
> >The Doctor - Futbolmetrix
> > Everton - Huachipato
> > DC United - NY Red Bulls

> Huachipato and NY Red Bulls

Hm... DC United

On 2023-09-19 06:07, Jesus Petry wrote:
> Em domingo, 17 de setembro de 2023 às 18:14:54 UTC-3, Futbolmetrix escreveu:
>> Jesus Petry - MH
>> Colo-Colo - Cobresal
>> FC Dallas - Columbus
>
> 1. Colo-Colo
> 2. Dallas
>
> Tchau!
> Jesus Petry

Columbus

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:14:54 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
>
> Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
>
>
>
> What to do
> -----------
>
> Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
>
> *Home*
> - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
> =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
>
> *Away*
> =- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2023/9/23
> - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
> =- their opponents will represent your opponent
>
> (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)
>
> Fixtures
> --------
>
> Tier 1
>
> Werner Pichler - Mark
> Colo-Colo - Cobresal
> FC Dallas - Columbus

1. Colo-Colo
2. Colu-Mbus

Ciao,
Werner

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:19:06 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:14:54 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
> >
> > Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
> >
> >
> >
> > What to do
> > -----------
> >
> > Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
> >
> > *Home*
> > - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
> > =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
> >
> > *Away*
> > =- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2023/9/23
> > - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
> > =- their opponents will represent your opponent
> >
> > (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)
> >
> > Fixtures
> > --------
> >
> > Tier 1
> >
> > Werner Pichler - Mark
> > Colo-Colo - Cobresal
> > FC Dallas - Columbus
> 1. Colo-Colo
> 2. Colu-Mbus
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

Those were the teams I was thinking of picking. What's this eastern and western conference about? They're not in the same group and they're playing each other? I don't understand that.

Well rather than wait for an answer to that question, I might as well at least make a provisional pick now. I'll go for Cobresal.

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 6:17:08 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:19:06 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:14:54 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
> > >
> > > Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What to do
> > > -----------
> > >
> > > Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
> > >
> > > *Home*
> > > - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
> > > =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
> > >
> > > *Away*
> > > =- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2023/9/23
> > > - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
> > > =- their opponents will represent your opponent
> > >
> > > (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)
> > >
> > > Fixtures
> > > --------
> > >
> > > Tier 1
> > >
> > > Werner Pichler - Mark
> > > Colo-Colo - Cobresal
> > > FC Dallas - Columbus
> > 1. Colo-Colo
> > 2. Colu-Mbus
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Werner
> Those were the teams I was thinking of picking. What's this eastern and western conference about? They're not in the same group and they're playing each other? I don't understand that.

It's a USAian thing, which kind of makes sense given the distances that separate the various teams. You play more matches in your broad geographic area, but also play matches against more distant teams. But, you are ranked only against the teams in your conference. Even though, the team with the best record overall in the regular season (across the two conferences) is awarded the MLS Supporters' Shield.

Come to think of it, many other leagues have regional subleagues (when you go below the top level), but they tend to be completely segregated. But you could easily imagine teams from the Regionalliga Nord playing 75% of its matches against other Northern teams, and the remainder against southern teams.

> Well rather than wait for an answer to that question, I might as well at least make a provisional pick now. I'll go for Cobresal.

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:51:26 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 6:17:08 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:19:06 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:14:54 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > > > Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
> > > >
> > > > Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What to do
> > > > -----------
> > > >
> > > > Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
> > > >
> > > > *Home*
> > > > - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
> > > > =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
> > > >
> > > > *Away*
> > > > =- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2023/9/23
> > > > - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
> > > > =- their opponents will represent your opponent
> > > >
> > > > (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)
> > > >
> > > > Fixtures
> > > > --------
> > > >
> > > > Tier 1
> > > >
> > > > Werner Pichler - Mark
> > > > Colo-Colo - Cobresal
> > > > FC Dallas - Columbus
> > > 1. Colo-Colo
> > > 2. Colu-Mbus
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > > Werner
> > Those were the teams I was thinking of picking. What's this eastern and western conference about? They're not in the same group and they're playing each other? I don't understand that.
> It's a USAian thing, which kind of makes sense given the distances that separate the various teams. You play more matches in your broad geographic area, but also play matches against more distant teams. But, you are ranked only against the teams in your conference. Even though, the team with the best record overall in the regular season (across the two conferences) is awarded the MLS Supporters' Shield.
>
> Come to think of it, many other leagues have regional subleagues (when you go below the top level), but they tend to be completely segregated. But you could easily imagine teams from the Regionalliga Nord playing 75% of its matches against other Northern teams, and the remainder against southern teams.
> > Well rather than wait for an answer to that question, I might as well at least make a provisional pick now. I'll go for Cobresal.

How do they decide which teams from the Western conference the Eastern conference teams play? Unless it's exactly the same teams, that doesn't make sense.

On 2023-09-18, milivella <milivella@gmail.com> wrote:
> Futbolmetrix:
>
>> milivella - Jesper Lauridsen
>> Everton - Huachipato
>> DC United - NY Red Bulls
>
> Winner stays on.
>
> I pick the Soteriologic Shebeans and the Superfancy Unfortunates.
>
> (It is not that funny when you're on the other side, is it, Jes?)

Earlier you complained when I used the teams' full names...

> Alternatively, I pick Huachipato and NY Red Bulls.

I can't pick the toffees. Rooney's swamp dwellers it is (which is
hardly better).

Jesper Lauridsen:

> On 2023-09-18, milivella <milivella@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Futbolmetrix:
>>
>>> milivella - Jesper Lauridsen
>>> Everton - Huachipato
>>> DC United - NY Red Bulls
>>
>> Winner stays on.
>>
>> I pick the Soteriologic Shebeans and the Superfancy Unfortunates.
>>
>> (It is not that funny when you're on the other side, is it, Jes?)
>
> Earlier you complained when I used the teams' full names...

On the other hand, from now on you can call me the Perennially
Unsatisfied, if you ever have to pick me at UPT.

>> Alternatively, I pick Huachipato and NY Red Bulls.
>
> I can't pick the toffees. Rooney's swamp dwellers it is (which is
> hardly better).

Indeed, as you had to choose between losing and losing. Nobody can
displace a UPT mastermind like me from Tier 1! Nobody!!!

It's Avoided Relegation Party Week at milivella's house.

--
Cheers
milivella

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 5:14:54 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
>
> Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.

A bit out of order, but let's post everything in one single message.

Match Day 5 (make-up round)

Tier 2
----
Futbolmetrix 3 - 3 Jesus Petry (Marseille - Ajax)
MH 0 - 0 The Doctor (Bodo Glimt - FC Lugano)


Marseille's late comeback kept me just ahead of Jesus in the battle to avoid the wooden spoon. MH fails to go for the perfect season.

Match day 6

Tier 1
----
Werner Pichler 6 - 0 Mark (Colo-Colo - Cobresal)
milivella 5 - 3 Jesper Lauridsen (NY Red Bulls - DC United)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
13 6 11 4 7 5 Werner Pichler
8 6 8 8 0 6 milivella
7 6 6 11 -5 6 Mark
5 6 8 10 -2 5 Jesper Lauridsen

Werner emphatically turns away Mark's comeback attempt, and secures his 6th UPT title. Congrats! There were also eventful results in the battle to avoid relegation.


Tier 2
----
Jesus Petry 1 - 1 MH (FC Dallas - Columbus)
The Doctor 5 - 3 Futbolmetrix (NY Red Bulls - DC United)


Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
14 6 12 5 7 6 MH
7 6 10 9 1 6 The Doctor
5 6 11 14 -3 6 Futbolmetrix
4 6 7 12 -5 6 Jesus Petry

MH limps to the finish line, but the draw is enough to get Jesus the wooden spoon.

UPT Season 55 Cup to be announced shortly.

On 2023-09-22 02:34, Mark wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:51:26 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 6:17:08 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:19:06 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:14:54 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>>>> Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
>>>>>
>>>>> Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What to do
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
>>>>>
>>>>> *Home*
>>>>> - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
>>>>> =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
>>>>>
>>>>> *Away*
>>>>> =- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday 2023/9/23
>>>>> - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
>>>>> =- their opponents will represent your opponent
>>>>>
>>>>> (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fixtures
>>>>> --------
>>>>>
>>>>> Tier 1
>>>>>
>>>>> Werner Pichler - Mark
>>>>> Colo-Colo - Cobresal
>>>>> FC Dallas - Columbus
>>>> 1. Colo-Colo
>>>> 2. Colu-Mbus
>>>>
>>>> Ciao,
>>>> Werner
>>> Those were the teams I was thinking of picking. What's this eastern and western conference about? They're not in the same group and they're playing each other? I don't understand that.
>> It's a USAian thing, which kind of makes sense given the distances that separate the various teams. You play more matches in your broad geographic area, but also play matches against more distant teams. But, you are ranked only against the teams in your conference. Even though, the team with the best record overall in the regular season (across the two conferences) is awarded the MLS Supporters' Shield.
>>
>> Come to think of it, many other leagues have regional subleagues (when you go below the top level), but they tend to be completely segregated. But you could easily imagine teams from the Regionalliga Nord playing 75% of its matches against other Northern teams, and the remainder against southern teams.
>>> Well rather than wait for an answer to that question, I might as well at least make a provisional pick now. I'll go for Cobresal.
>
> How do they decide which teams from the Western conference the Eastern conference teams play? Unless it's exactly the same teams, that doesn't make sense.

Varies depending on leagues. There is a quite precise way it is done in
the NFL and NHL. I am not sure about MLS, but I think every team still
plays every other team at least once (I could be wrong)

Conferences and divisions are not unique to North AMerica. Super Rugby
had them at various stages (still do to some extent). The United Rugby
Championship has them. And so on.

The unbalanced schedules produced are annoying in some ways, but given
that this is happening in leagues where the championship comes from a
playoff system, they are not as unfair as they might seem at first glance.

On 2023-09-24 19:51, MH wrote:
> On 2023-09-22 02:34, Mark wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:51:26 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 6:17:08 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 8:19:06 AM UTC+1, Werner Pichler
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:14:54 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match
>>>>>> Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends,
>>>>>> NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South
>>>>>> American leagues. MLS it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What to do
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the fixtures below: do you play home or away?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Home*
>>>>>> - Before the end of Wednesday (= before 2023/9/20, 23:59 GMT)
>>>>>> =- Pick one team from each of the two matches, in order of preference
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Away*
>>>>>> =- After Wednesday (or even sooner, if the home player has picked
>>>>>> their teams) and before kickoff of the first match on Saturday
>>>>>> 2023/9/23
>>>>>> - Pick one of the teams not picked by your opponent (if they
>>>>>> haven't picked any team, you have free choice)
>>>>>> =- their opponents will represent your opponent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (If the away player doesn't pick any team before his deadline, the
>>>>>> home player will be represented by his preferred team. If nobody
>>>>>> picks a team, teams are assigned randomly.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fixtures
>>>>>> --------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tier 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Werner Pichler - Mark
>>>>>> Colo-Colo - Cobresal
>>>>>> FC Dallas - Columbus
>>>>> 1. Colo-Colo
>>>>> 2. Colu-Mbus
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>> Werner
>>>> Those were the teams I was thinking of picking. What's this eastern
>>>> and western conference about? They're not in the same group and
>>>> they're playing each other? I don't understand that.
>>> It's a USAian thing, which kind of makes sense given the distances
>>> that separate the various teams. You play more matches in your broad
>>> geographic area, but also play matches against more distant teams.
>>> But, you are ranked only against the teams in your conference. Even
>>> though, the team with the best record overall in the regular season
>>> (across the two conferences) is awarded the MLS Supporters' Shield.
>>>
>>> Come to think of it, many other leagues have regional subleagues
>>> (when you go below the top level), but they tend to be completely
>>> segregated. But you could easily imagine teams from the Regionalliga
>>> Nord playing 75% of its matches against other Northern teams, and the
>>> remainder against southern teams.
>>>> Well rather than wait for an answer to that question, I might as
>>>> well at least make a provisional pick now. I'll go for Cobresal.
>>
>> How do they decide which teams from the Western conference the Eastern
>> conference teams play? Unless it's exactly the same teams, that
>> doesn't make sense.
>
> Varies depending on leagues.  There is a quite precise way it is done in
> the NFL and NHL.  I am not sure about MLS, but I think every team still
> plays every other team at least once (I could be wrong)

Oops. Apparently I am a few years out of date:

"With 29 teams in 2023, each team plays two games, home and away,
against every team in its conference and one game against all but four
or five of the teams in the opposite conference. The 2020 season was the
first season in league history in which teams did not play against every
other team in the league."
>
> Conferences and divisions are not unique to North AMerica.  Super Rugby
> had them at various stages (still do to some extent).  The United Rugby
> Championship has them. And so on.
>
> The unbalanced schedules produced are annoying in some ways, but given
> that this is happening in leagues where the championship comes from a
> playoff system, they are not as unfair as they might seem at first glance.
>
>
18 teams in MLS currently make the playoffs.

>
>

On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 11:07:09 PM UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 5:14:54 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > Unsophisticated Prediction Tiers Season 55 - League CHI/BRA Match Day 6 (2023/9/23-24)
> >
> > Chilean league is back, Brazilian league still avoiding weekends, NWSL is off, and I'm not taking any more risks with striking South American leagues. MLS it is.
> A bit out of order, but let's post everything in one single message.
>
> Match Day 5 (make-up round)
>
> Tier 2
> ----
> Futbolmetrix 3 - 3 Jesus Petry (Marseille - Ajax)
> MH 0 - 0 The Doctor (Bodo Glimt - FC Lugano)
>
>
> Marseille's late comeback kept me just ahead of Jesus in the battle to avoid the wooden spoon. MH fails to go for the perfect season.
>
>
> Match day 6
>
> Tier 1
> ----
> Werner Pichler 6 - 0 Mark (Colo-Colo - Cobresal)
> milivella 5 - 3 Jesper Lauridsen (NY Red Bulls - DC United)
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 13 6 11 4 7 5 Werner Pichler
> 8 6 8 8 0 6 milivella
> 7 6 6 11 -5 6 Mark
> 5 6 8 10 -2 5 Jesper Lauridsen
>
>
> Werner emphatically turns away Mark's comeback attempt, and secures his 6th UPT title. Congrats!

Yay! Thanks Colo²

Ciao,
Werner

> There were also eventful results in the battle to avoid relegation.

Futbolmetrix:

> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 13 6 11 4 7 5 Werner Pichler
> 8 6 8 8 0 6 milivella

The responsibilities of making someone choose the league and choosing
the league are finally reunited!

> 7 6 6 11 -5 6 Mark
> 5 6 8 10 -2 5 Jesper Lauridsen
>
>
> Werner emphatically turns away Mark's comeback attempt, and secures his 6th UPT title. Congrats!

Congrats! It will be a honour to take the crown from such a deserving head.

> There were also eventful results in the battle to avoid relegation.

Care to be a bit more specific?

> Tier 2
> ----
> Jesus Petry 1 - 1 MH (FC Dallas - Columbus)
> The Doctor 5 - 3 Futbolmetrix (NY Red Bulls - DC United)
>
>
> Pts M GF GA GD Picks Team
> 14 6 12 5 7 6 MH
> 7 6 10 9 1 6 The Doctor
> 5 6 11 14 -3 6 Futbolmetrix
> 4 6 7 12 -5 6 Jesus Petry
>
> MH limps to the finish line, but the draw is enough to get Jesus the wooden spoon.

When someone else gets it, it's wooden...

--
Cheers
milivella