On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 4:45:37 p.m. UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:54:39 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
> > On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:31:53 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 4:07:32 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:45:53 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > > > More or less done in the next few days, I dont know all the ways teams can qualify for these cups anymore, I honestly dont know if this is a 24 or 32 or maybe 48 team cup and I cant be bothered to check.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was watching the other day, Luxembourgo had a slight chance of actually qualifying , but Slovakia killed that hope.
> > > > >
> > > > > Team Qualification method
> > > > > Germany Hosts
> > > > > Belgium Group F (pos TBD)
> > > > > France Group B — 1st place
> > > > > Portugal Group J — 1st place
> > > > > Scotland Group A (pos TBD)
> > > > > Spain Group A (pos TBD)
> > > > > Turkiye Group D (pos TBD)
> > > > > Austria Group F (pos TBD)
> > > > > England Group C — 1st place
> > > > > Hungary Group G (pos TBD)
> > > > > Slovakia Group J — 2nd place
> > > > > Albania Group E (pos TBD)
> > > > > Denmark Group H — 1st place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > yet to be decided
> > > > > Italy or Ukrainia
> > > > > Greece or Holland
> > > > > Wales or Kroatia
> > > > > Kazakstan or Slvenia
> > > > > Montenegro or Serbia
> > > > > Israel, Swiss or Rumania ( 2 )
> > > > >
> > > > > Albania to qualify, I think that would be a first for them.
> > > > How come everyone appears to have forgotten about them playing Euro 2016?
> > > >
> > > > Ciao,
> > > > Werner
> > > > > After this I guess there are a bunch of back door ways for teams to qualify through Nations league, or fair play or gifts to Israel or whatever.
> > > Italy with a lot of attacking play against Ukraine so far, but the real news is Adidas kits don’t work with Italy, they just don’t look right. It’s the stripes that ruin it in the main, but the away kit in particular looks like what I imagine East Germany’s away kit would look like had they qualified for Euro 88.
> > >
> > > Anyway, 43 minutes, 0-0.
> > >
> > >
> > > RM
> > I implore you to look up the history of Italian national team kits. Diadora, Nike and Puma get how to make an Italy kit. The secret is simplicity.
> >
> >
> >
> > 51 minutes 0-0.
> >
> >
> > RM
> Ukraine had a bit of a surge toward the end of the second half and had a penalty shout turned down in injury time but the game finishes 0-0 and Italy qualify for Euro 2024. Ukraine can apparently qualify via the playoffs.
>
>
> RM

I agree, the Italian kit looked very German, I thought it was West germany for a while.

Arew you ok with the Turkei kit to look very Nike?

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:01:38 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:27:02 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> >
> > Lets start with the hosts of next summer's EM, New coach Julie Nagy has brought in a bunch of fresh new faces like Thomas Muller, Mats Hummels, Pascal Gross and Leon Goretzka to just name a few. This is a
> > bright new dawn of German football, with so many fresh new players coming up like Nicky Fillkrug and Kevin Behrens. Today these bright new youngsters will play footballing powerhouse USA in a friendly. The
> > Germans should just stick to Basketball and Ice hockey, they will never make it in the Football world.
>
> I think J-Nagle will be wondering why he accepted the job-outside of all the money of course. But it is official, this is the worst German National team of all time

I thought this was your usual hyperbole, but jeez have they been awful today, barely able to string two passes together. Sané might actually have done them
a favour, they were better reduced to 10. I don't think I've ever seen a German NT this helpless.

Ciao,
Werner

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:49:17 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:01:38 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:27:02 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets start with the hosts of next summer's EM, New coach Julie Nagy has brought in a bunch of fresh new faces like Thomas Muller, Mats Hummels, Pascal Gross and Leon Goretzka to just name a few. This is a
> > > bright new dawn of German football, with so many fresh new players coming up like Nicky Fillkrug and Kevin Behrens. Today these bright new youngsters will play footballing powerhouse USA in a friendly. The
> > > Germans should just stick to Basketball and Ice hockey, they will never make it in the Football world.
> >
> > I think J-Nagle will be wondering why he accepted the job-outside of all the money of course. But it is official, this is the worst German National team of all time
> I thought this was your usual hyperbole, but jeez have they been awful today, barely able to string two passes together. Sané might actually have done them
> a favour, they were better reduced to 10. I don't think I've ever seen a German NT this helpless.
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

It’s over:

Wales 1 - Turkey 1

Croatia 1 - Armenia 0

1st Turkey, 2nd Croatia

RM

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:27:50 PM UTC, Binder Dundat wrote:
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 4:45:37 p.m. UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
> > On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:54:39 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:31:53 PM UTC, Real Mardin wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 4:07:32 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:45:53 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > > > > More or less done in the next few days, I dont know all the ways teams can qualify for these cups anymore, I honestly dont know if this is a 24 or 32 or maybe 48 team cup and I cant be bothered to check.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was watching the other day, Luxembourgo had a slight chance of actually qualifying , but Slovakia killed that hope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Team Qualification method
> > > > > > Germany Hosts
> > > > > > Belgium Group F (pos TBD)
> > > > > > France Group B — 1st place
> > > > > > Portugal Group J — 1st place
> > > > > > Scotland Group A (pos TBD)
> > > > > > Spain Group A (pos TBD)
> > > > > > Turkiye Group D (pos TBD)
> > > > > > Austria Group F (pos TBD)
> > > > > > England Group C — 1st place
> > > > > > Hungary Group G (pos TBD)
> > > > > > Slovakia Group J — 2nd place
> > > > > > Albania Group E (pos TBD)
> > > > > > Denmark Group H — 1st place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yet to be decided
> > > > > > Italy or Ukrainia
> > > > > > Greece or Holland
> > > > > > Wales or Kroatia
> > > > > > Kazakstan or Slvenia
> > > > > > Montenegro or Serbia
> > > > > > Israel, Swiss or Rumania ( 2 )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Albania to qualify, I think that would be a first for them.
> > > > > How come everyone appears to have forgotten about them playing Euro 2016?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ciao,
> > > > > Werner
> > > > > > After this I guess there are a bunch of back door ways for teams to qualify through Nations league, or fair play or gifts to Israel or whatever.
> > > > Italy with a lot of attacking play against Ukraine so far, but the real news is Adidas kits don’t work with Italy, they just don’t look right. It’s the stripes that ruin it in the main, but the away kit in particular looks like what I imagine East Germany’s away kit would look like had they qualified for Euro 88.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, 43 minutes, 0-0.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RM
> > > I implore you to look up the history of Italian national team kits. Diadora, Nike and Puma get how to make an Italy kit. The secret is simplicity.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 51 minutes 0-0.
> > >
> > >
> > > RM
> > Ukraine had a bit of a surge toward the end of the second half and had a penalty shout turned down in injury time but the game finishes 0-0 and Italy qualify for Euro 2024. Ukraine can apparently qualify via the playoffs.
> >
> >
> > RM
> I agree, the Italian kit looked very German, I thought it was West germany for a while.
>
> Arew you ok with the Turkei kit to look very Nike?

It’s been Nike since 2004 but I’m ok with whoever makes the kit so long as they don’t deviate from the basic design, which Nike seem to be adhering to.

RM

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 5:09:55 p.m. UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:49:17 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:01:38 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:27:02 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Lets start with the hosts of next summer's EM, New coach Julie Nagy has brought in a bunch of fresh new faces like Thomas Muller, Mats Hummels, Pascal Gross and Leon Goretzka to just name a few. This is a
> > > > bright new dawn of German football, with so many fresh new players coming up like Nicky Fillkrug and Kevin Behrens. Today these bright new youngsters will play footballing powerhouse USA in a friendly. The
> > > > Germans should just stick to Basketball and Ice hockey, they will never make it in the Football world.
> > >
> > > I think J-Nagle will be wondering why he accepted the job-outside of all the money of course. But it is official, this is the worst German National team of all time
> > I thought this was your usual hyperbole, but jeez have they been awful today, barely able to string two passes together. Sané might actually have done them
> > a favour, they were better reduced to 10. I don't think I've ever seen a German NT this helpless.
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Werner
> It’s over:
>
> Wales 1 - Turkey 1
>
> Croatia 1 - Armenia 0
>
> 1st Turkey, 2nd Croatia
>
>
>
> RM

For tho0se of you watching on tv, Austrisbeatt Germsny 2-0

I did not watch the fgame

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 10:28:57 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> Pots for Final Draw
>
>
> Pot 1
>
> Germany
> Portugal
> France
> Spain
> Belgium
> England
>
>
> Pot 2
>
> Hungary
> Turkey
> Romania
> Denmark
> Albania
> Austria
>
>
> Pot 3
>
> Netherlands
> Scotland
> Croatia
> Slovenia
> Slovakia
> Czech Republic
>
>
> Pot 4
>
> Italy
> Serbia
> Switzerland
> Playoff winner A (Poland/Wales/Estonia/one of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> Playoff winner B (Israel/Bosnia-Herzegovina/two of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> Playoff winenr C (Georgia/Greece/Kazakhstan/Luxembourg)
>
>
> Pot 3 looking stronger than Pot 2 tbh.
> Any group with Italy in it with Group of Death potential.
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

The only pot that makes sense is 1. All the others look all over the place. How can the current European champions be pot 4?? Croatia World Cup 2018 finalists and 2022 semi finalists but in pot 3. Whilst Albania and Romania are in pot 2. Ok!

RM

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 5:28:57 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
> Pot 3 looking stronger than Pot 2 tbh.
> Any group with Italy in it with Group of Death potential.

I've seen somewhere that in terms of both Elo ratings and TransferMarkt value, the ordering of pots
is

Pot 1 > Pot4 > Pot 3 > Pot 2

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 5:28:57 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
>
> >
> > Pot 3 looking stronger than Pot 2 tbh.
> > Any group with Italy in it with Group of Death potential.
> I've seen somewhere that in terms of both Elo ratings and TransferMarkt value, the ordering of pots
> is
>
> Pot 1 > Pot4 > Pot 3 > Pot 2

https://x.com/swissfootdata/status/1726868115156500700?s=20

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 4:49:17 p.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:01:38 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:27:02 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
> > >
> > > Lets start with the hosts of next summer's EM, New coach Julie Nagy has brought in a bunch of fresh new faces like Thomas Muller, Mats Hummels, Pascal Gross and Leon Goretzka to just name a few. This is a
> > > bright new dawn of German football, with so many fresh new players coming up like Nicky Fillkrug and Kevin Behrens. Today these bright new youngsters will play footballing powerhouse USA in a friendly. The
> > > Germans should just stick to Basketball and Ice hockey, they will never make it in the Football world.
> >
> > I think J-Nagle will be wondering why he accepted the job-outside of all the money of course. But it is official, this is the worst German National team of all time
> I thought this was your usual hyperbole, but jeez have they been awful today, barely able to string two passes together. Sané might actually have done them
> a favour, they were better reduced to 10. I don't think I've ever seen a German NT this helpless.
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

I did not even know this game was on- Ok I did- but I coukdt be bothered to watch Austria win, which is a big thing for me. Not since 1978 I have i flet this way.

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:57:56 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 10:28:57 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > Pots for Final Draw
> >
> >
> > Pot 1
> >
> > Germany
> > Portugal
> > France
> > Spain
> > Belgium
> > England
> >
> >
> > Pot 2
> >
> > Hungary
> > Turkey
> > Romania
> > Denmark
> > Albania
> > Austria
> >
> >
> > Pot 3
> >
> > Netherlands
> > Scotland
> > Croatia
> > Slovenia
> > Slovakia
> > Czech Republic
> >
> >
> > Pot 4
> >
> > Italy
> > Serbia
> > Switzerland
> > Playoff winner A (Poland/Wales/Estonia/one of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> > Playoff winner B (Israel/Bosnia-Herzegovina/two of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> > Playoff winenr C (Georgia/Greece/Kazakhstan/Luxembourg)
> >
> >
> > Pot 3 looking stronger than Pot 2 tbh.
> > Any group with Italy in it with Group of Death potential.
> >
>
> The only pot that makes sense is 1. All the others look all over the place. How can the current European champions be pot 4??

Truth be told they should be happy just to be there.

> Croatia World Cup 2018 finalists and 2022 semi finalists but in pot 3.

Well you guys insisted on drawing against Wales. Otherwise they'd have been in pot 2.

> Whilst Albania and Romania are in pot 2. Ok!

Because they won their groups.

Ciao,
Werner

>
> RM

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:28:57 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> Pots for Final Draw
>
>
> Pot 4
>
> Italy
> Serbia
> Switzerland
> Playoff winner A (Poland/Wales/Estonia/one of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> Playoff winner B (Israel/Bosnia-Herzegovina/two of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> Playoff winner C (Georgia/Greece/Kazakhstan/Luxembourg)

March 21 and 26

Path A

Wales v Finland
Poland v Estonia

final in Cardiff or Helsinki

Path B

Bosnia-Herzegovina v Ukraine
Israel v Iceland

final in Zenica, or wherever Ukraine play their 'home' games

Path C

Georgia v Luxembourg
Greece v Kazakhstan

final in Tbilisi or Luxembourg

Ciao,
Werner

On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:57:49 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:57:56 PM UTC+1, Real Mardin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 10:28:57 PM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > Pots for Final Draw
> > >
> > >
> > > Pot 1
> > >
> > > Germany
> > > Portugal
> > > France
> > > Spain
> > > Belgium
> > > England
> > >
> > >
> > > Pot 2
> > >
> > > Hungary
> > > Turkey
> > > Romania
> > > Denmark
> > > Albania
> > > Austria
> > >
> > >
> > > Pot 3
> > >
> > > Netherlands
> > > Scotland
> > > Croatia
> > > Slovenia
> > > Slovakia
> > > Czech Republic
> > >
> > >
> > > Pot 4
> > >
> > > Italy
> > > Serbia
> > > Switzerland
> > > Playoff winner A (Poland/Wales/Estonia/one of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> > > Playoff winner B (Israel/Bosnia-Herzegovina/two of FIN/UKR/ISL)
> > > Playoff winenr C (Georgia/Greece/Kazakhstan/Luxembourg)
> > >
> > >
> > > Pot 3 looking stronger than Pot 2 tbh.
> > > Any group with Italy in it with Group of Death potential.
> > >
> >
> > The only pot that makes sense is 1. All the others look all over the place. How can the current European champions be pot 4??
>
> Truth be told they should be happy just to be there.
>
> > Croatia World Cup 2018 finalists and 2022 semi finalists but in pot 3.
>
> Well you guys insisted on drawing against Wales. Otherwise they'd have been in pot 2.
>
> > Whilst Albania and Romania are in pot 2. Ok!
>
> Because they won their groups.
>
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

Must you be so logical about everything? :(

RM

>
> >
> > RM