https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/

FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
decision about an 11th or even 12th team.

Apparently, it will take another four to six weeks before the FIA will be
ready to reveal whether or not Formula 1 will be getting up to two new
teams.

After several groups responded to the official FIA tender, it was reported
recently that two prospective new teams—Andretti-Cadillac and Hitech—may
already have been granted franchises by the governing FIA.

But with Liberty Media and most of the existing F1 teams opposed, FIA
president Mohammed Ben Sulayem explains that there are still hurdles to
jump.

"This is obviously a political and financial issue, but it is clear to me
that the FIA must respect the process. The EU also regulates us, so we
can't manipulate anything," he told formula.hu. "If a team is interested
and our rules say you can have that many teams, how can we say no?"

Ben Sulayem says he understands the existing teams' opposition on
financial grounds, but it is his duty to "do the right thing for the
sport."

"We can't tell a big team that wants to come to F1 to go and buy a team or
you can't come in. I think that's wrong," he added.

It is clear that Ben Sulayem's personal favorite for an 11th team entry is
Michael Andretti's outfit, with the backing of Cadillac and General
Motors.

"These are serious people and we don't want to disqualify anyone without
thoroughly reviewing the submitted applications," he said. "It's about big
names and big money. Of course, we don't want just anybody, but A teams or
a car manufacturer. I prefer the manufacturers, because that would be good
for the sport.

"We have taken our time, the FIA team worked very hard, we had meetings
with the teams where we reviewed their applications, and I think the final
decision will be made within four to six weeks."

Financial concerns aside, figures like Toto Wolff (Mercedes) have argued
that more than 20 cars on the grid is actually a safety issue, as "we are
already tripping over ourselves like on a go-kart track."

"I don't understand that," the FIA president hit back. "Safety is the most
important thing for the FIA and our safety people say that 11 or 12 teams
is also safe.

"We'll wait until the evaluation of the teams is finished and then we'll
see, but I have said it before and I say it now - how could we turn down
General Motors? I don't understand the negativity.

"I heard that Liberty Media would also like an 11th team—this was said by
CEO Greg Maffei," Ben Sulayem added. "It seems that we are both looking at
the interests of the sport and its sustainability, because this way there
will be more business for the promoter as well.

"Hopefully next month we can make a statement."

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 02:30:13 -0000 (UTC), fleemos876 wrote:

> https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
> timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/
>
> FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
> decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
>
> Apparently, it will take another four to six weeks before the FIA will
> be ready to reveal whether or not Formula 1 will be getting up to two
> new teams.
>
> After several groups responded to the official FIA tender, it was
> reported recently that two prospective new teams—Andretti-Cadillac and
> Hitech—may already have been granted franchises by the governing FIA.
>
> But with Liberty Media and most of the existing F1 teams opposed, FIA
> president Mohammed Ben Sulayem explains that there are still hurdles to
> jump.
>
> "This is obviously a political and financial issue, but it is clear to
> me that the FIA must respect the process. The EU also regulates us, so
> we can't manipulate anything," he told formula.hu. "If a team is
> interested and our rules say you can have that many teams, how can we
> say no?"
>
> Ben Sulayem says he understands the existing teams' opposition on
> financial grounds, but it is his duty to "do the right thing for the
> sport."
>
> "We can't tell a big team that wants to come to F1 to go and buy a team
> or you can't come in. I think that's wrong," he added.
>
> It is clear that Ben Sulayem's personal favorite for an 11th team entry
> is Michael Andretti's outfit, with the backing of Cadillac and General
> Motors.
>
> "These are serious people and we don't want to disqualify anyone without
> thoroughly reviewing the submitted applications," he said. "It's about
> big names and big money. Of course, we don't want just anybody, but A
> teams or a car manufacturer. I prefer the manufacturers, because that
> would be good for the sport.
>
> "We have taken our time, the FIA team worked very hard, we had meetings
> with the teams where we reviewed their applications, and I think the
> final decision will be made within four to six weeks."
>
> Financial concerns aside, figures like Toto Wolff (Mercedes) have argued
> that more than 20 cars on the grid is actually a safety issue, as "we
> are already tripping over ourselves like on a go-kart track."
>
> "I don't understand that," the FIA president hit back. "Safety is the
> most important thing for the FIA and our safety people say that 11 or 12
> teams is also safe.
>
> "We'll wait until the evaluation of the teams is finished and then we'll
> see, but I have said it before and I say it now - how could we turn down
> General Motors? I don't understand the negativity.
>
> "I heard that Liberty Media would also like an 11th team—this was said
> by CEO Greg Maffei," Ben Sulayem added. "It seems that we are both
> looking at the interests of the sport and its sustainability, because
> this way there will be more business for the promoter as well.
>
> "Hopefully next month we can make a statement."

I hope Andretti can get in. I imagine the teams will resist as much as
they can though. If they need an American team, just get rid of Haas and
give Andretti a go.

So are prospective teams actually interest in winning the WCC or they just looking for a participation trophy?

On 7/26/2023 12:45 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:

> So are prospective teams actually interest in winning the WCC or they just looking for a participation trophy?

A question equally relevant to some current teams.

Up or out.

On 26/07/2023 2:30 pm, fleemos876 wrote:
> https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
> timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/
>
> FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
> decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
<snipped>

If there are to be four more cars on the grid then it's my opinion that qualifying will have to
change. Maybe have two Q1s with 12 per run then the 12 fastest cars in Q2? Then eight in Q3? At
least on the tracks that have a sub 80 second lap. They might be able to get away with the current
system on longer tracks. Then again if it's to be changed it should be changed for all tracks IMO.

The biggest problem with that system though is that the track will be faster for the second Q1 (or
the weather could change) so I don't know how they could deal with that fairly.

They might be able to get away with an unchanged system if there are only two more cars on the grid.
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On 7/26/2023 22:10, ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 2:30 pm, fleemos876 wrote:
>> https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
>> timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/
>>
>> FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
>> decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
> <snipped>
>
> If there are to be four more cars on the grid then it's my opinion that
> qualifying will have to change. Maybe have two Q1s with 12 per run then
> the 12 fastest cars in Q2? Then eight in Q3? At least on the tracks that
> have a sub 80 second lap. They might be able to get away with the
> current system on longer tracks. Then again if it's to be changed it
> should be changed for all tracks IMO.
>
>
> The biggest problem with that system though is that the track will be
> faster for the second Q1 (or the weather could change) so I don't know
> how they could deal with that fairly.
>
> They might be able to get away with an unchanged system if there are
> only two more cars on the grid.

If memory serves, I think when HRT, Caterham, and Manor joined the grid
that brought it up to 24 cars...which is where we'll be if they allow
two more teams on the grid. The only change the FIA made to qualifying
was to relegate the bottom 7 cars in Q1 and Q2. So I would say chances
are likely that there wouldn't be any major change to qualifying with 4
more cars.

--

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--Carl Sagan

Hornplayer9599 <Hornplayer9599@aol.com> writes:
> On 7/26/2023 22:10, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 2:30 pm, fleemos876 wrote:
>>> https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
>>> timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/
>>>
>>> FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
>>> decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
>> <snipped>
>>
>> If there are to be four more cars on the grid then it's my opinion
>> that qualifying will have to change. Maybe have two Q1s with 12 per
>> run then the 12 fastest cars in Q2? Then eight in Q3? At least on
>> the tracks that have a sub 80 second lap. They might be able to get
>> away with the current system on longer tracks. Then again if it's to
>> be changed it should be changed for all tracks IMO.
>>
>>
>> The biggest problem with that system though is that the track will
>> be faster for the second Q1 (or the weather could change) so I don't
>> know how they could deal with that fairly.
>>
>> They might be able to get away with an unchanged system if there are
>> only two more cars on the grid.
>
>
> If memory serves, I think when HRT, Caterham, and Manor joined the
> grid that brought it up to 24 cars...which is where we'll be if they
> allow two more teams on the grid. The only change the FIA made to
> qualifying was to relegate the bottom 7 cars in Q1 and Q2. So I would
> say chances are likely that there wouldn't be any major change to
> qualifying with 4 more cars.

Yup, I don't see a problem with the quali aspect.

I think the only condition on these new teams is "you don't change your
team name for at least 5 years". If they can agree to that, and the
current teams still object to there being new teams, start culling the
current ones who have changed names in the last decade, and see how
quickly they shut up.

Yay! Go Spyker!

Phil
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How are even more of these over long, overweight, way over wide cars going to fit on the shorter/street tracks?

On 8/3/2023 11:26 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:

> How are even more of these over long, overweight, way over wide cars going to fit on the shorter/street tracks?

Exclusively Tilkedromes, and more of them. Just throw money at Liberty.