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Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley

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by: iommiRULES - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 00:09 UTC

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:36:12 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.
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> https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley

It has never been done before because it would require the team to do it "out of the goodness of their heart" Businesses do not operate that way, they negotiated a CBA with the union, and dems the rules....ive been in much lesser negotiation and they generally will not change because it will trigger the next employee to want the same....they dont worry so much about giving you the extra they just dont wanna start a precedent. I do see Florios point tho, this way if Saquan wants more he can't not play because he has a scratch or a hang nail or something.....games played incentive would prevent that.

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by: jeffg...@webtv.net - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:00 UTC

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:58 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:36:12 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.
> >
> > https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley
> It has never been done before because it would require the team to do it "out of the goodness of their heart" Businesses do not operate that way, they negotiated a CBA with the union, and dems the rules....ive been in much lesser negotiation and they generally will not change because it will trigger the next employee to want the same....they dont worry so much about giving you the extra they just dont wanna start a precedent. I do see Florios point tho, this way if Saquan wants more he can't not play because he has a scratch or a hang nail or something.....games played incentive would prevent that.

I guess setting a precedent has not bothered Schoen as he offered and Barkley accepted a new contract with a little more money than the tender provided. One thing a signed contract does is get Barkley into training camp.

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by: iommiRULES - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:10 UTC

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:00:11 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:58 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:36:12 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.
> > >
> > > https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley
> > It has never been done before because it would require the team to do it "out of the goodness of their heart" Businesses do not operate that way, they negotiated a CBA with the union, and dems the rules....ive been in much lesser negotiation and they generally will not change because it will trigger the next employee to want the same....they dont worry so much about giving you the extra they just dont wanna start a precedent. I do see Florios point tho, this way if Saquan wants more he can't not play because he has a scratch or a hang nail or something.....games played incentive would prevent that.
> I guess setting a precedent has not bothered Schoen as he offered and Barkley accepted a new contract with a little more money than the tender provided. One thing a signed contract does is get Barkley into training camp.

Yes this must be first deal of this kind ever....tho unlike florios idea the Giants can tag him next year.....the 2 million bonus is weird, i guess that just advances Saquan about 4 paychecks, but that money was guarenteed regardless. Im sure the incentives are games/snaps played. I'm just glad we can get on with football and now maybe people will pay attention to the D, which i think has more talent across the board.

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by: iommiRULES - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:31 UTC

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:10:53 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:00:11 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:58 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:36:12 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley
> > > It has never been done before because it would require the team to do it "out of the goodness of their heart" Businesses do not operate that way, they negotiated a CBA with the union, and dems the rules....ive been in much lesser negotiation and they generally will not change because it will trigger the next employee to want the same....they dont worry so much about giving you the extra they just dont wanna start a precedent. I do see Florios point tho, this way if Saquan wants more he can't not play because he has a scratch or a hang nail or something.....games played incentive would prevent that.
> > I guess setting a precedent has not bothered Schoen as he offered and Barkley accepted a new contract with a little more money than the tender provided. One thing a signed contract does is get Barkley into training camp.
> Yes this must be first deal of this kind ever....tho unlike florios idea the Giants can tag him next year.....the 2 million bonus is weird, i guess that just advances Saquan about 4 paychecks, but that money was guarenteed regardless. Im sure the incentives are games/snaps played. I'm just glad we can get on with football and now maybe people will pay attention to the D, which i think has more talent across the board.

According to schefter the signing bonus is equal parts 1300 rushing yards/11 td/65 receptions....so this is REALLY team freindly, Those numbers are easily worth triple of what they pay!

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by: iommiRULES - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 15:02 UTC

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:31:56 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:10:53 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:00:11 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:09:58 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:36:12 AM UTC-4, jeffg...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley
> > > > It has never been done before because it would require the team to do it "out of the goodness of their heart" Businesses do not operate that way, they negotiated a CBA with the union, and dems the rules....ive been in much lesser negotiation and they generally will not change because it will trigger the next employee to want the same....they dont worry so much about giving you the extra they just dont wanna start a precedent. I do see Florios point tho, this way if Saquan wants more he can't not play because he has a scratch or a hang nail or something.....games played incentive would prevent that.
> > > I guess setting a precedent has not bothered Schoen as he offered and Barkley accepted a new contract with a little more money than the tender provided. One thing a signed contract does is get Barkley into training camp..
> > Yes this must be first deal of this kind ever....tho unlike florios idea the Giants can tag him next year.....the 2 million bonus is weird, i guess that just advances Saquan about 4 paychecks, but that money was guarenteed regardless. Im sure the incentives are games/snaps played. I'm just glad we can get on with football and now maybe people will pay attention to the D, which i think has more talent across the board.
> According to schefter the signing bonus is equal parts 1300 rushing yards/11 td/65 receptions....so this is REALLY team freindly, Those numbers are easily worth triple of what they pay!

Oh AND for Saquan to get any of it the Giants gotta make the playoffs! Dunno if that was such a good idea what if they get off to a slow start?

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by: TomBenton@agent.com - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:59 UTC

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 04:36:11 -0700 (PDT), "jeffg...@webtv.net"
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>Offer him incentives, and if he reaches them he will not be tagged a second time.
>
>https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-a-simple-solution-for-the-giants-and-saquon-barkley

I don't think that is in the contract.

Subject	Author
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	jeffg...@webtv.net
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	iommiRULES
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	jeffg...@webtv.net
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	iommiRULES
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	iommiRULES
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	iommiRULES
Mike Floris's "simple" solution to the Barkley tag impasse	TomBenton