Arizona
Arizona State
Washington State
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal-Berkeley
Utah

This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!

Mike

> This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!

There will always be a Pacific conference. A wrestling conference, mind you (technically, schools like UC-Davis and Cal Poly are members)...

If you ask me, what the move should be, once the rest of the shoes (Arizona, Arizona State, Utah) decide whether to drop or not, is to both merge with the Mountain West and take in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation sports, and call the whole thing the Mountain Pacific Conference.
Among other things, this gives Stanford an excuse to bring back the annual Elway Bowl against San Jose State.

Pacific Division:
Cal
Fresno State
Hawaii
Oregon State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Stanford
Washington State

Mountain Division:
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
Nevada
New Mexico
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming

Added bonus: in the years where you have an away game at Hawaii, you have an excuse to play 13 regular season games and/or a Week 0 game, at least until it gets to the point where they start the entire season a week earlier than they do now, if for no other reason than to allow for 4-team conference football tournaments.

Just make sure the cadets aren't in uniform when Air Force has an away game at Cal.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:26:47 PM UTC-7, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!
> There will always be a Pacific conference. A wrestling conference, mind you (technically, schools like UC-Davis and Cal Poly are members)...
>
> If you ask me, what the move should be, once the rest of the shoes (Arizona, Arizona State, Utah) decide whether to drop or not, is to both merge with the Mountain West and take in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation sports, and call the whole thing the Mountain Pacific Conference.
> Among other things, this gives Stanford an excuse to bring back the annual Elway Bowl against San Jose State.

Probably exactly what's gonna happen, and that'll be the first "bridge conference" between FBS-II and FCS.

Mike

On 8/4/2023 3:26 PM, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
>> This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!
>
> There will always be a Pacific conference. A wrestling conference, mind you (technically, schools like UC-Davis and Cal Poly are members)...
>
> If you ask me, what the move should be, once the rest of the shoes (Arizona, Arizona State, Utah) decide whether to drop or not, is to both merge with the Mountain West and take in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation sports, and call the whole thing the Mountain Pacific Conference.
> Among other things, this gives Stanford an excuse to bring back the annual Elway Bowl against San Jose State.
>
> Pacific Division:
> Cal
> Fresno State
> Hawaii
> Oregon State
> San Diego State
> San Jose State
> Stanford
> Washington State
>
> Mountain Division:
> Air Force
> Boise State
> Colorado State
> Nevada
> New Mexico
> UNLV
> Utah State
> Wyoming
>
> Added bonus: in the years where you have an away game at Hawaii, you have an excuse to play 13 regular season games and/or a Week 0 game, at least until it gets to the point where they start the entire season a week earlier than they do now, if for no other reason than to allow for 4-team conference football tournaments.
>
> Just make sure the cadets aren't in uniform when Air Force has an away game at Cal.

Send the cadets armed in BDU's.
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On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:40:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> Arizona
> Arizona State
> Washington State
> Oregon State
> Stanford
> Cal-Berkeley
> Utah
>
> This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!

Pac-4 now.

Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.

> Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.

Yes, because Louisiana is so much more of an athletic powerhouse than Louisiana State...

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:38:41 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:40:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > Arizona
> > Arizona State
> > Washington State
> > Oregon State
> > Stanford
> > Cal-Berkeley
> > Utah
> >
> > This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!
> Pac-4 now.
>
> Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.

Same BOR for the schools. And sounds like the had to force ASU’s president to recognize the PAC wasn’t surviving.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:38:41 PM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:40:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:

> Pac-4 now.
>
> Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.

5 -- the Big XII only took ASU for now.

Mike

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:32:11 PM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:38:41 PM UTC-7, JGibson wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:40:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
>
> > Pac-4 now.
> >
> > Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.
> 5 -- the Big XII only took ASU for now.
>
> Mike

Don’t know where your news came from, but the BigXII had been reported to have already voted on Arizona the day before. Obviously it’s official now though. Arizona was always the preferred member to them because of BB.

JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:40:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Falkner wrote:
>> Arizona
>> Arizona State
>> Washington State
>> Oregon State
>> Stanford
>> Cal-Berkeley
>> Utah
>>
>> This conference is so dead, there's discussion in Stanford they may go independent!
>
> Pac-4 now.
>
> Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and
> "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of
> the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.
>

Virginia and Virginia Tech acted in concert during the 2005 ACC expansion

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On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:48:25 PM UTC-4, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.
> Yes, because Louisiana is so much more of an athletic powerhouse than Louisiana State...

To be fair to me, I did say "rest of the west". Don't think Louisiana counts as the west.

However, with the Washington and Oregon schools splitting, the pairs that are now aligned in the same conference:
Arizona / Arizona State
UNC / N.C. State
Kansas / Kansas State
Michigan / Michigan State
Texas / Texas A&M (reluctantly for A&M)
Virginia / Virginia Tech
Indiana / Purdue

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:07:02 AM UTC-4, JGibson wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:48:25 PM UTC-4, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> > > Arizona and Arizona State may be the only pair of "University of X" and "X State University" schools that like to act as a team. In the rest of the west, University of X is always leaving X State University behind.
> > Yes, because Louisiana is so much more of an athletic powerhouse than Louisiana State...
> To be fair to me, I did say "rest of the west". Don't think Louisiana counts as the west.
>
> However, with the Washington and Oregon schools splitting, the pairs that are now aligned in the same conference:
> Arizona / Arizona State
> UNC / N.C. State
> Kansas / Kansas State
> Michigan / Michigan State
> Texas / Texas A&M (reluctantly for A&M)
> Virginia / Virginia Tech
> Indiana / Purdue

Whoops, forgot Alabama/Auburn and Mississippi / Mississippi State.