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Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:

Michigan -23 vs. Iowa
Texas -14 vs. Oklahoma State
@Liberty -10.5 vs. New Mexico State
Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington
Toledo -8 vs. Miami (OH)
@Troy -6.5 vs. Appalachian State
Georgia -5 vs. Alabama
@Tulane -4 vs. SMU
Florida State -3.5 vs. Louisville
Boise State -3 @UNLV

@ = home team, games with no "@" symbol are neutral

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 by: Michael Falkner - Mon, 27 Nov 2023 02:59 UTC

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:29:58 PM UTC-8, JGibson wrote:
> Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:
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> Michigan -23 vs. Iowa

With an over/under at about 34.5. Meaning they're thinking something of the realm of 28-3.

Mike

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On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:29:58 PM UTC-8, JGibson wrote:
> Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:
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> Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington

I do not like this. This is top of the line bulletin board material.

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 by: JGibson - Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:20 UTC

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:50:07 PM UTC-5, Eric Ramon wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:29:58 PM UTC-8, JGibson wrote:
> > Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:
> >
> > Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington
>
> I do not like this. This is top of the line bulletin board material.

I knew Oregon would be the favorite, but I was surprised at how much. Using Sagarin Predictor, Oregon would be a 6 point favorite. I am curious about doing this a pretty naïve way, by simply comparing all their common opponents and then using a 3 point advantage for the home team:

Washington 59, California 32 - Washington is 24 points better than Cal
Washington 36, Oregon 33 - Washington and Oregon are even
Washington 15, Arizona State 7 - Washington is 5 points better than Arizona State
Washington 42, Stanford 33 - Washington is 6 points better than Stanford
Washington 52, USC 42 - Washington is 13 points better than USC
Washington 35, Utah 28 - Washington is 4 points better than Utah
Washington 22, Oregon State 20 - Washington is 5 points better than Oregon State
Washington 24, Washington State 21 - Washington and Washington State are even

Oregon 42, Stanford 6 - Oregon is 39 points better than Stanford
Oregon 38, Washington State 24 - Oregon is 11 points better than Washington State
Oregon 35, Utah 6 - Oregon is 32 points better than Utah
Oregon 63, California 19 - Oregon is 41 points better than Cal
Oregon 36, USC 27 - Oregon is 6 points better than USC
Oregon 49, Arizona State 13 - Oregon is 39 points better than Arizona State
Oregon 31, Oregon State 7 - Oregon is 21 points better than Oregon State

Washington played Arizona and Oregon played Colorado, so those teams are not common opponents.

By opponent:
Cal: Oregon is 17 points better than Washington
Arizona State: Oregon is 34 points better than Washington
Stanford: Oregon is 33 points better than Washington
USC: Washington is 7 points better than Oregon [the only one where Washington has the advantage]
Utah: Oregon is 29 points better than Washington
Oregon State: Oregon is 16 points better than Washington
Washington State: Oregon is 11 points better than Washington
Against each other: they were even

Average: Oregon is 16 points better than Washington

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 by: JGibson - Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:22 UTC

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 8:20:15 AM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:50:07 PM UTC-5, Eric Ramon wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:29:58 PM UTC-8, JGibson wrote:
> > > Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:
> > >
> > > Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington
> >
> > I do not like this. This is top of the line bulletin board material.
> I knew Oregon would be the favorite, but I was surprised at how much. Using Sagarin Predictor, Oregon would be a 6 point favorite.

Does FPI work the same way? Oregon's FPI score is 8.8 points better than Washington's, which would be right in line with the Vegas spread.

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 by: JGibson - Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:26 UTC

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:58 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:
>
> Michigan -23 vs. Iowa
> Texas -14 vs. Oklahoma State
> @Liberty -10.5 vs. New Mexico State
> Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington
> Toledo -8 vs. Miami (OH)
> @Troy -6.5 vs. Appalachian State
> Georgia -5 vs. Alabama
> @Tulane -4 vs. SMU
> Florida State -3.5 vs. Louisville
> Boise State -3 @UNLV
>
> @ = home team, games with no "@" symbol are neutral

Here's the games listed in the same order above, but with ESPN's FPI% chance to win the game instead:
Michigan 92.7%
Texas 88.8%
Liberty 82.5%
Oregon 75.2%
Toledo 60.7%
Troy 67.6%
Georgia 52.3%
SMU 73.4% [Big disagreement here between FPI and Vegas]
Florida State 73.2%
Boise State 55.1%

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 by: JGibson - Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:59 UTC

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:58 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:

Updates as of this morning (11/28):
> Michigan -23 vs. Iowa
SAME
> Texas -14 vs. Oklahoma State
Now Texas -14.5
> @Liberty -10.5 vs. New Mexico State
Now Liberty -10
> Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington
SAME
> Toledo -8 vs. Miami (OH)
Now Toledo -7.5
> @Troy -6.5 vs. Appalachian State
SAME
> Georgia -5 vs. Alabama
Now Georgia -6
> @Tulane -4 vs. SMU
Now Tulane -5.5 (the public must be pushing this one, all the predictive computers like SMU)
> Florida State -3.5 vs. Louisville
Now FSU -2.5
> Boise State -3 @UNLV
Now Boise State -2

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 by: JGibson - Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:27 UTC

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 7:59:19 AM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:58 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> > Lines from espn.com, listed from supposed to be the biggest blowout to supposed to be the closest:
> Updates as of this morning (11/28):
> > Michigan -23 vs. Iowa
> SAME
> > Texas -14 vs. Oklahoma State
> Now Texas -14.5
> > @Liberty -10.5 vs. New Mexico State
> Now Liberty -10
> > Oregon -9.5 vs. Washington
> SAME
> > Toledo -8 vs. Miami (OH)
> Now Toledo -7.5
> > @Troy -6.5 vs. Appalachian State
> SAME
> > Georgia -5 vs. Alabama
> Now Georgia -6
> > @Tulane -4 vs. SMU
> Now Tulane -5.5 (the public must be pushing this one, all the predictive computers like SMU)
> > Florida State -3.5 vs. Louisville
> Now FSU -2.5
> > Boise State -3 @UNLV
> Now Boise State -2

Updates as of 11/29 evening:
Michigan has dropped to 21.5 point favorites over Iowa
Texas up to 15.5 point favorites over Oklahoma State
Liberty up to 11 over NMSU
Oregon holding steady at 9.5 over Washington
Toledo now favored by 8 again
Troy at 6 over Appy State
Georgia now up to 5.5 over Alabama
Tulane now down to 3.5 over SMU. A pretty significant drop. I'm guessing bettors saw those predictive computers.
Florida State still at 2.5 over Louisville
Boise State now at 2.5 over UNLV, halfway between the 3 I first saw and the 2 at the last update.

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