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 by: RoddyMcCorley - Mon, 4 Dec 2023 07:40 UTC

They got hosed by the committee. Absolutely no justification unless it
is "we must have an SEC team." And even that does not work.

The CFP cmte has too much subjective leeway to begin with.

Go back to a fairly objective formula like the BCS had.

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 by: JGibson - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 02:59 UTC

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:33:35 PM UTC-5, unclejr wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:59:01 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-5, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
> > > They got hosed by the committee. Absolutely no justification unless it
> > > is "we must have an SEC team." And even that does not work.
> > >
> > > The CFP cmte has too much subjective leeway to begin with.
> > >
> > > Go back to a fairly objective formula like the BCS had.
> > I did go and try to find the six computers that the BCS used. Sagarin no longer has his "score-free" formula available, but I think the others have their equivalents still. I know Don does his NOTBCS rankings, which I think use more computers.
> >
> > I find the following:
> > Colley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Texas, 4. Alabama, 5. Florida State
> > Billingsley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Georgia
> > Massey BCS: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Alabama. 4. Texas, 5. Florida State
> > Anderson & Hester: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Ohio State, 5. Alabama
> > Wolfe: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Texas
> > Sagarin*: 1. Michigan, 2. Oregon, 3. Ohio State, 4. Texas, 5. Penn State
> Sagarin is borked. ($1)

Yeah, that's why that version got banned in the BCS days, and they made him use a score-free version. But the version he had to use in those days no longer seems to exist.

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 by: Con Reeder, unhyphen - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:15 UTC

On 2023-12-05, JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:33:35 PM UTC-5, unclejr wrote:
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:59:01 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
>> > On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-5, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
>> > > They got hosed by the committee. Absolutely no justification unless it
>> > > is "we must have an SEC team." And even that does not work.
>> > >
>> > > The CFP cmte has too much subjective leeway to begin with.
>> > >
>> > > Go back to a fairly objective formula like the BCS had.
>> > I did go and try to find the six computers that the BCS used. Sagarin no longer has his "score-free" formula available, but I think the others have their equivalents still. I know Don does his NOTBCS rankings, which I think use more computers.
>> >
>> > I find the following:
>> > Colley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Texas, 4. Alabama, 5. Florida State
>> > Billingsley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Georgia
>> > Massey BCS: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Alabama. 4. Texas, 5. Florida State
>> > Anderson & Hester: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Ohio State, 5. Alabama
>> > Wolfe: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Texas
>> > Sagarin*: 1. Michigan, 2. Oregon, 3. Ohio State, 4. Texas, 5. Penn State
>> Sagarin is borked. ($1)
>
> Yeah, that's why that version got banned in the BCS days, and they
> made him use a score-free version. But the version he had to use in
> those days no longer seems to exist.

Sagarin appears to have given up the biz, as he has yet to release basketball
ratings this year.

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 by: JGibson - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:27 UTC

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:15:23 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2023-12-05, JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:33:35 PM UTC-5, unclejr wrote:
> >> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:59:01 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> >> > On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 2:40:19 AM UTC-5, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
> >> > > They got hosed by the committee. Absolutely no justification unless it
> >> > > is "we must have an SEC team." And even that does not work.
> >> > >
> >> > > The CFP cmte has too much subjective leeway to begin with.
> >> > >
> >> > > Go back to a fairly objective formula like the BCS had.
> >> > I did go and try to find the six computers that the BCS used. Sagarin no longer has his "score-free" formula available, but I think the others have their equivalents still. I know Don does his NOTBCS rankings, which I think use more computers.
> >> >
> >> > I find the following:
> >> > Colley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Texas, 4. Alabama, 5. Florida State
> >> > Billingsley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Georgia
> >> > Massey BCS: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Alabama. 4. Texas, 5. Florida State
> >> > Anderson & Hester: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Ohio State, 5. Alabama
> >> > Wolfe: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Texas
> >> > Sagarin*: 1. Michigan, 2. Oregon, 3. Ohio State, 4. Texas, 5. Penn State
> >> Sagarin is borked. ($1)
> >
> > Yeah, that's why that version got banned in the BCS days, and they
> > made him use a score-free version. But the version he had to use in
> > those days no longer seems to exist.
> Sagarin appears to have given up the biz, as he has yet to release basketball
> ratings this year.
>

Hmmm.... He was doing college football still, so I'm not sure what happened here. Everyone's gone to Pomeroy for college basketball, I think. But we don't have an equivalent of Pomeroy for college football. I know we have S&P+, FPI, and FEI but none really get at similar data as Pomeroy or have the equivalent sub-breakdowns that Pomeroy has.

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 by: The NOTBCS Guy - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 16:35 UTC

> > > > Go back to a fairly objective formula like the BCS had.
> > > I did go and try to find the six computers that the BCS used. Sagarin no longer has his "score-free" formula available, but I think the others have their equivalents still. I know Don does his NOTBCS rankings, which I think use more computers.

Correct - I use whatever computers are available on the Massey composite site at around 6:30 PM Eastern on Monday (although I do tend to wait until the Friday after the championship game for the final rankings, just to be sure I can get as many as I can).

Speaking of which - no, there are none that have Georgia and FSU ranked 1 and 2, and even if there were, having any of the playoff teams beat two of the others in the same time period could very easily vault that team above FSU, so if FSU wants to invent its own national championship (and that assumes it can beat Georgia in the first place), it has some work to do.

> > > I find the following:
> > > Colley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Texas, 4. Alabama, 5. Florida State
> > > Billingsley: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Georgia
> > > Massey BCS: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Alabama. 4. Texas, 5. Florida State
> > > Anderson & Hester: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Ohio State, 5. Alabama
> > > Wolfe: 1. Washington, 2. Michigan, 3. Florida State, 4. Alabama, 5. Texas
> > > Sagarin*: 1. Michigan, 2. Oregon, 3. Ohio State, 4. Texas, 5. Penn State
> > Sagarin is borked. ($1)
> Yeah, that's why that version got banned in the BCS days, and they made him use a score-free version. But the version he had to use in those days no longer seems to exist.

Also correct - Sagarin stopped his score-free one when he no longer needed it.
I think one of the others - I want to say Billingsley - no longer has its score-free version either.
I know Colley is still score-free, and I think Massey's is as well.

Besides, to be a "true" BCS, at least in later years (after AP withdrew for some reason), you need to bring back the Harris Interactive poll. Step 1: find someone to conduct a seance so you can ask John Wooden who his top 25 are.

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