Never was, and won’t be this year.

The order this year will be Michigan 1 Washington 2 Texas 3 fsu 4

Note that I don’t believe Texas HAS to be ranked ahead of bama due to hth, and this is a very close call imo due to the hugeness of the ga win(which may be the two best teams in the country in the game of the year) but I gave Texas the edge and committee will too

On 12/3/2023 6:06 AM, mckyj57 wrote:
> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
>> Never was, and won’t be this year.
>
> What do they say their mission is?
>
> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
> several with legitimate claims to participate.
>
> And what do they consider?
>
> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
> head‐to‐head competition, comparative outcomes of common
> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
> coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during
> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
>
>>
>> The order this year will be Michigan 1 Washington 2 Texas 3 fsu 4
>
> If you take them at their word, I think it should be:
>
> Michigan
> Washington
> Texas
> Alabama
>
>>
>> Note that I don’t believe Texas HAS to be ranked ahead of bama due
>> to hth, and this is a very close call imo due to the hugeness of the
>> ga win(which may be the two best teams in the country in the game of
>> the year) but I gave Texas the edge and committee will too
>
> No, no undefeated power 5 team has ever been left out, but losing the
> QB who beat LSU and playing in a weaker conference should matter. If
> the third stringer had lit it up, it might be different, but if
> picking the best team is the goal, they won't elevate FSU. You can't
> leave out Alabama, champion of the conference which has won 13 of the
> last 17 championships.

+1

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 4:06:06 AM UTC-8, mckyj57 wrote:
> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
> > Never was, and won’t be this year.
> What do they say their mission is?
>
> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
> several with legitimate claims to participate.

And they basically just said FSU has no legitimate claim, due to their injuries.

> If you take them at their word, I think it should be:
>
> Michigan
> Washington
> Texas
> Alabama

And that's exactly what happened.

> No, no undefeated power 5 team has ever been left out, but losing the
> QB who beat LSU and playing in a weaker conference should matter. If
> the third stringer had lit it up, it might be different, but if
> picking the best team is the goal, they won't elevate FSU. You can't
> leave out Alabama, champion of the conference which has won 13 of the
> last 17 championships.

You shouldn't really have left out Georgia either, to be frank, but that would require another spine on the part of the Committee.

Mike

> Never was, and won’t be this year.
>
> The order this year will be Michigan 1 Washington 2 Texas 3 fsu 4
>
> Note that I don’t believe Texas HAS to be ranked ahead of bama due to hth, and this is a very close call imo due to the hugeness of the ga win(which may be the two best teams in the country in the game of the year) but I gave Texas the edge and committee will too

Well, you got the "Texas ranked ahead of Alabama" part right...

The last time you were absolutely convinced Alabama would not get into the tournament - IIRC, you even made a bet that they wouldn't - they ended up winning the whole thing.

And how many years ago was it that you got mad because you could not get time off to go to the national championship because you were convinced that it would be Saban's last chance to win one?

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:53:08 AM UTC-8, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:

> Well, you got the "Texas ranked ahead of Alabama" part right...
>
> The last time you were absolutely convinced Alabama would not get into the tournament - IIRC, you even made a bet that they wouldn't - they ended up winning the whole thing.
>
> And how many years ago was it that you got mad because you could not get time off to go to the national championship because you were convinced that it would be Saban's last chance to win one?

Given ESPN has pulled the "hundreds of millions of reasons" card, I fully think Alabama with RSFCk MIchigan and Texas to win the Natty.

Mike

On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 06:56:41 -0800 (PST), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmoderator@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:06:06?AM UTC-5, mckyj57 wrote:
>> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
>> > Never was, and won’t be this year.
>> What do they say their mission is?
>>
>> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>> several with legitimate claims to participate.
>>
>> And what do they consider?
>>
>> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
>> head?to?head competition, comparative outcomes of common
>> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
>> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
>> coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during
>> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
>
>Somehow, this omits the part about winning games and not losing games.
>
>FSU won all their games and lost none of their games: they should be in.
>
>1 Michigan
>2 Washington
>3 FSU
>4 Texas
>
>If FSU is left out and win their bowl game, give the tournament winner a big fat asterisk. Or, better, don't to that and let FSU play for it.

schedule counts, for instance anyone can win against an Ivy League schedule

against ranked teams

FSU played #13 LSU #15 Louisville SOS #55 according to Yahoo Sports

Alabama played #1 Georgia #3 Texas #11 Ole Miss #13 LSU #21 Tenn SOS #5

winning 13 games with FSU's schedule was much easier than with Alabama's

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:29:13 PM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 06:56:41 -0800 (PST), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:06:06?AM UTC-5, mckyj57 wrote:
> >> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
> >> > Never was, and won’t be this year.
> >> What do they say their mission is?
> >>
> >> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
> >> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
> >> several with legitimate claims to participate.
> >>
> >> And what do they consider?
> >>
> >> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
> >> head?to?head competition, comparative outcomes of common
> >> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
> >> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
> >> coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during
> >> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
> >
> >Somehow, this omits the part about winning games and not losing games.
> >
> >FSU won all their games and lost none of their games: they should be in.
> >
> >1 Michigan
> >2 Washington
> >3 FSU
> >4 Texas
> >
> >If FSU is left out and win their bowl game, give the tournament winner a big fat asterisk. Or, better, don't to that and let FSU play for it.
> schedule counts, for instance anyone can win against an Ivy League schedule
>
> against ranked teams
>
> FSU played #13 LSU #15 Louisville SOS #55 according to Yahoo Sports
>
> Alabama played #1 Georgia #3 Texas #11 Ole Miss #13 LSU #21 Tenn SOS #5
>
> winning 13 games with FSU's schedule was much easier than with Alabama's

And Alabama didn't win 13 games!

On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 11:58:13 -0800 (PST), JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:29:13?PM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 06:56:41 -0800 (PST), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:06:06?AM UTC-5, mckyj57 wrote:
>> >> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
>> >> > Never was, and won’t be this year.
>> >> What do they say their mission is?
>> >>
>> >> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>> >> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>> >> several with legitimate claims to participate.
>> >>
>> >> And what do they consider?
>> >>
>> >> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
>> >> head?to?head competition, comparative outcomes of common
>> >> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
>> >> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
>> >> coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during
>> >> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
>> >
>> >Somehow, this omits the part about winning games and not losing games.
>> >
>> >FSU won all their games and lost none of their games: they should be in.
>> >
>> >1 Michigan
>> >2 Washington
>> >3 FSU
>> >4 Texas
>> >
>> >If FSU is left out and win their bowl game, give the tournament winner a big fat asterisk. Or, better, don't to that and let FSU play for it.
>> schedule counts, for instance anyone can win against an Ivy League schedule
>>
>> against ranked teams
>>
>> FSU played #13 LSU #15 Louisville SOS #55 according to Yahoo Sports
>>
>> Alabama played #1 Georgia #3 Texas #11 Ole Miss #13 LSU #21 Tenn SOS #5
>>
>> winning 13 games with FSU's schedule was much easier than with Alabama's
>
>And Alabama didn't win 13 games!

And FSU would not have with Alabama's schedule either. FSU would have had at least two losses.

BTW, here is a Bobby Bowden quote about the time he was fleeing in terror from the SEC invitation FSU had waited so long for
and begging the ACC to take them in.

"When I think of scheduling I look at boxing. It doesn't matter how many patsies you fight, as long as you win you end up in the championship bout."
A lot of people seem to have this attitude.

On 2023-12-04, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 11:58:13 -0800 (PST), JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:29:13?PM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 06:56:41 -0800 (PST), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:06:06?AM UTC-5, mckyj57 wrote:
>>> >> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
>>> >> > Never was, and won’t be this year.
>>> >> What do they say their mission is?
>>> >>
>>> >> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>>> >> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>>> >> several with legitimate claims to participate.
>>> >>
>>> >> And what do they consider?
>>> >>
>>> >> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
>>> >> head?to?head competition, comparative outcomes of common
>>> >> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
>>> >> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
>>> >> coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during
>>> >> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
>>> >
>>> >Somehow, this omits the part about winning games and not losing games.
>>> >
>>> >FSU won all their games and lost none of their games: they should be in.
>>> >
>>> >1 Michigan
>>> >2 Washington
>>> >3 FSU
>>> >4 Texas
>>> >
>>> >If FSU is left out and win their bowl game, give the tournament winner a big fat asterisk. Or, better, don't to that and let FSU play for it.
>>> schedule counts, for instance anyone can win against an Ivy League schedule
>>>
>>> against ranked teams
>>>
>>> FSU played #13 LSU #15 Louisville SOS #55 according to Yahoo Sports
>>>
>>> Alabama played #1 Georgia #3 Texas #11 Ole Miss #13 LSU #21 Tenn SOS #5
>>>
>>> winning 13 games with FSU's schedule was much easier than with Alabama's
>>
>>And Alabama didn't win 13 games!
>
> And FSU would not have with Alabama's schedule either. FSU would
> have had at least two losses.
>
> BTW, here is a Bobby Bowden quote about the time he was fleeing in
> terror from the SEC invitation FSU had waited so long for and
> begging the ACC to take them in.
>
> "When I think of scheduling I look at boxing. It doesn't matter how
> many patsies you fight, as long as you win you end up in the
> championship bout." A lot of people seem to have this attitude.

FSU has an easy task should they be all they claim. Beat Georgia
or at least don't get blown out. If they can do that, they can talk
all they want. If not, they can kiss my asterisk.

--
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk.
-- unknown

On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:47:09 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

>On 2023-12-04, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 11:58:13 -0800 (PST), JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:29:13?PM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 06:56:41 -0800 (PST), RSFC Moderator <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:06:06?AM UTC-5, mckyj57 wrote:
>>>> >> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
>>>> >> > Never was, and won?t be this year.
>>>> >> What do they say their mission is?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>>>> >> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>>>> >> several with legitimate claims to participate.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And what do they consider?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
>>>> >> head?to?head competition, comparative outcomes of common
>>>> >> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
>>>> >> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
>>>> >> coaches that may have affected a team?s performance during
>>>> >> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
>>>> >
>>>> >Somehow, this omits the part about winning games and not losing games.
>>>> >
>>>> >FSU won all their games and lost none of their games: they should be in.
>>>> >
>>>> >1 Michigan
>>>> >2 Washington
>>>> >3 FSU
>>>> >4 Texas
>>>> >
>>>> >If FSU is left out and win their bowl game, give the tournament winner a big fat asterisk. Or, better, don't to that and let FSU play for it.
>>>> schedule counts, for instance anyone can win against an Ivy League schedule
>>>>
>>>> against ranked teams
>>>>
>>>> FSU played #13 LSU #15 Louisville SOS #55 according to Yahoo Sports
>>>>
>>>> Alabama played #1 Georgia #3 Texas #11 Ole Miss #13 LSU #21 Tenn SOS #5
>>>>
>>>> winning 13 games with FSU's schedule was much easier than with Alabama's
>>>
>>>And Alabama didn't win 13 games!
>>
>> And FSU would not have with Alabama's schedule either. FSU would
>> have had at least two losses.
>>
>> BTW, here is a Bobby Bowden quote about the time he was fleeing in
>> terror from the SEC invitation FSU had waited so long for and
>> begging the ACC to take them in.
>>
>> "When I think of scheduling I look at boxing. It doesn't matter how
>> many patsies you fight, as long as you win you end up in the
>> championship bout." A lot of people seem to have this attitude.
>
>FSU has an easy task should they be all they claim. Beat Georgia
>or at least don't get blown out. If they can do that, they can talk
>all they want. If not, they can kiss my asterisk.

Motivation will be in their favor in that game. FSU will have a chip on their shoulder
and Georgia will be thinking they should be in the plaoffs instead of the OB. GA should still
win but it won't be a blowout.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:12:18 AM UTC-6, j...@mich.com wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:47:09 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:
>
>

FSU will not score a point

On 04 Dec 2023, joe@mich.com posted some
news:lnjrmi17oo2sepumu0cpm3judalk16bsn3@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 12:47:09 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
> American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2023-12-04, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 11:58:13 -0800 (PST), JGibson
>>> <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 2:29:13?PM UTC-5, j...@mich.com
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 06:56:41 -0800 (PST), RSFC Moderator
>>>>> <rsfcmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:06:06?AM UTC-5, mckyj57 wrote:
>>>>> >> On 2023-12-03, michael anderson wrote:
>>>>> >> > Never was, and won?t be this year.
>>>>> >> What do they say their mission is?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>>>>> >> inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>>>>> >> several with legitimate claims to participate.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And what do they consider?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Conference championships won, strength of schedule,
>>>>> >> head?to?head competition, comparative outcomes of common
>>>>> >> opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, other
>>>>> >> relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and
>>>>> >> coaches that may have affected a team?s performance during
>>>>> >> the season or likely will affect its postseason performance
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Somehow, this omits the part about winning games and not losing
>>>>> >games.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >FSU won all their games and lost none of their games: they should
>>>>> >be in.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >1 Michigan
>>>>> >2 Washington
>>>>> >3 FSU
>>>>> >4 Texas
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If FSU is left out and win their bowl game, give the tournament
>>>>> >winner a big fat asterisk. Or, better, don't to that and let FSU
>>>>> >play for it.
>>>>> schedule counts, for instance anyone can win against an Ivy League
>>>>> schedule
>>>>>
>>>>> against ranked teams
>>>>>
>>>>> FSU played #13 LSU #15 Louisville SOS #55 according to Yahoo
>>>>> Sports
>>>>>
>>>>> Alabama played #1 Georgia #3 Texas #11 Ole Miss #13 LSU #21 Tenn
>>>>> SOS #5
>>>>>
>>>>> winning 13 games with FSU's schedule was much easier than with
>>>>> Alabama's
>>>>
>>>>And Alabama didn't win 13 games!
>>>
>>> And FSU would not have with Alabama's schedule either. FSU would
>>> have had at least two losses.
>>>
>>> BTW, here is a Bobby Bowden quote about the time he was fleeing in
>>> terror from the SEC invitation FSU had waited so long for and
>>> begging the ACC to take them in.
>>>
>>> "When I think of scheduling I look at boxing. It doesn't matter how
>>> many patsies you fight, as long as you win you end up in the
>>> championship bout." A lot of people seem to have this attitude.
>>
>>FSU has an easy task should they be all they claim. Beat Georgia
>>or at least don't get blown out. If they can do that, they can talk
>>all they want. If not, they can kiss my asterisk.
>
> Motivation will be in their favor in that game. FSU will have a chip
> on their shoulder and Georgia will be thinking they should be in the
> plaoffs instead of the OB. GA should still win but it won't be a
> blowout.

FSU has greater overall footspeed than Georgia. FSU by 4.

Georgia also has some key players at less than 100%. That doesn't
excuse them for the turd they dropped against Alabama. Georgia looked
like shit hung over the entire game and earned the loss. Unless they
come up with some hillbilly magic they're done, stick a fork in them.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:28:33 PM UTC-8, rmo wrote:

> FSU has greater overall footspeed than Georgia. FSU by 4.

If you still believe that closer to the Orange Bowl, I suggest you lay some money, because Georgia is a two-touchdown favorite in the game.
Mike

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:49:07 PM UTC-8, JE Corbett wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 4:46:08 PM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 1:28:33 PM UTC-8, rmo wrote:
> >
> > > FSU has greater overall footspeed than Georgia. FSU by 4.
> > If you still believe that closer to the Orange Bowl, I suggest you lay some money, because Georgia is a two-touchdown favorite in the game.
> >
> As far as I'm concerned, if FSU beats Georgia, they will have as much right to hoist a national championship banner as
> the winner of the CFP.

especially if Alabama wins the tournament

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:49:07 PM UTC-8, JE Corbett wrote:

> As far as I'm concerned, if FSU beats Georgia, they will have as much right to hoist a national championship banner as
> the winner of the CFP.

No problems there, and they'll have the Governor's aid and assistance in doing so.

Mike