I truly believe that if Georgia
> had won the SEC, they would have selected the four unbeaten conference
> champions and left Texas out. Georgia losing cost FSU a spot in the playoffs
> and there is no way to justify that.

I truly believe you are wrong. FSU was going to be 5 either way and they can than TCU for that.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:17:17 PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
> I truly believe that if Georgia
> > had won the SEC, they would have selected the four unbeaten conference
> > champions and left Texas out. Georgia losing cost FSU a spot in the playoffs
> > and there is no way to justify that.
> I truly believe you are wrong. FSU was going to be 5 either way and they can than TCU for that.

What does TCU have to do with FSU's chance of making the playoffs? First, TCU is in the Big 12, so that would have brought the wrath down on Texas. But Texas clearly was in based on their win over Alabama. Second, although TCU got totally blown out in the finals last year, they had to win a semifinal game to get there.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-8, Corky wrote:
> I truly believe that if Georgia
> > had won the SEC, they would have selected the four unbeaten conference
> > champions and left Texas out. Georgia losing cost FSU a spot in the playoffs
> > and there is no way to justify that.
> I truly believe you are wrong. FSU was going to be 5 either way and they can than TCU for that.

If not 7 or 8.

Mike

"The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.

Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 11:14:46 AM UTC-8, JGibson wrote:

> We didn't any playoff last year to tell us that Georgia was #1. But that's not how it works. And again, how are you going to prevent blowouts in the finals? TCU earned its spot there by winning the semifinal against the Big Ten champion.

Just name the champion then. :)

That's about the only way you can.

The problem is that the Georgia semifinal WAS the final.

Mike

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-8, The NOTBCS Guy wrote:
> "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.
>
> Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.

Which is one of the reasons that same committee will look at the last 5 or 10 games as either a tiebreaker for seeding or to get in.

Mike

On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.del.grande@gmail.com> wrote:
> "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.

More precisely:

For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
several with legitimate claims to participate.

Note the acknowledgement that there might be teams left out which
have legitimate claims to participate. As with FSU.

> Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for
> establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to
> mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you
> look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they
> don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.

And they have a delineated list of criteria they use to make this
choice of who to sadly leave out. Looks to me like they did their
job just as they stated they would do from the get-go.

--
"The formula for achieving a successful relationship is simple: you
should treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never
treat a triviality as if it were a disaster." -- Quentin Crisp

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.
> > More precisely:
> >
> > For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
> > inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
> > several with legitimate claims to participate.
> >
> > Note the acknowledgement that there might be teams left out which
> > have legitimate claims to participate. As with FSU.
> > > Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for
> > > establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to
> > > mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you
> > > look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they
> > > don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.
> > And they have a delineated list of criteria they use to make this
> > choice of who to sadly leave out. Looks to me like they did their
> > job just as they stated they would do from the get-go.
> >
> > --
> > "The formula for achieving a successful relationship is simple: you
> > should treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never
> > treat a triviality as if it were a disaster." -- Quentin Crisp
> Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players
> to injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not
> an excuse for failing to reach your goals. A team that overcomes injuries to achieve its goals should be rewarded, not
> penalized. On top of that the committee ignores the fact that when the CFP commences, FSU would have their QB2 back
> as a starter. If they are going to downgrade FSU because they were unimpressive in their season ending rivalry game with
> Florida, why didn't they downgrade Alabama for a less than impressive performance against Auburn which they won on
> fluke play and ridiculously poor defense by Auburn. Auburn won only one more game than Florida and lost to New Mexico
> State in what was supposed to be a tune up game for the Iron Bowl.
>
> FSU got cheated and there is no way to excuse it. Everyone on the CFP committee should resign and none of them
> should be allowed on the selection committed for next year's 12 team playoff.

Cry me a river. Florida State couldn't beat anyone in the current top ten without Jordan. They were barely able to score on a team that lost to Kentucky.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:28:56 PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> > > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.
> > > More precisely:
> > >
> > > For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
> > > inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
> > > several with legitimate claims to participate.
> > >
> > > Note the acknowledgement that there might be teams left out which
> > > have legitimate claims to participate. As with FSU.
> > > > Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for
> > > > establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to
> > > > mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you
> > > > look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they
> > > > don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.
> > > And they have a delineated list of criteria they use to make this
> > > choice of who to sadly leave out. Looks to me like they did their
> > > job just as they stated they would do from the get-go.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "The formula for achieving a successful relationship is simple: you
> > > should treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never
> > > treat a triviality as if it were a disaster." -- Quentin Crisp
> > Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players
> > to injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not
> > an excuse for failing to reach your goals. A team that overcomes injuries to achieve its goals should be rewarded, not
> > penalized. On top of that the committee ignores the fact that when the CFP commences, FSU would have their QB2 back
> > as a starter. If they are going to downgrade FSU because they were unimpressive in their season ending rivalry game with
> > Florida, why didn't they downgrade Alabama for a less than impressive performance against Auburn which they won on
> > fluke play and ridiculously poor defense by Auburn. Auburn won only one more game than Florida and lost to New Mexico
> > State in what was supposed to be a tune up game for the Iron Bowl.
> >
> > FSU got cheated and there is no way to excuse it. Everyone on the CFP committee should resign and none of them
> > should be allowed on the selection committed for next year's 12 team playoff.
> Cry me a river. Florida State couldn't beat anyone in the current top ten without Jordan. They were barely able to score on a team that lost to Kentucky.

With their backup to a backup. The regular backup would be back by the time the playoffs start.

On 2023-12-05, JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:28:56 PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> > > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.
>> > > More precisely:
>> > >
>> > > For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>> > > inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>> > > several with legitimate claims to participate.
>> > >
>> > > Note the acknowledgement that there might be teams left out which
>> > > have legitimate claims to participate. As with FSU.
>> > > > Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for
>> > > > establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to
>> > > > mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you
>> > > > look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they
>> > > > don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.
>> > > And they have a delineated list of criteria they use to make this
>> > > choice of who to sadly leave out. Looks to me like they did their
>> > > job just as they stated they would do from the get-go.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > "The formula for achieving a successful relationship is simple: you
>> > > should treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never
>> > > treat a triviality as if it were a disaster." -- Quentin Crisp
>> > Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you
>> > are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players to
>> > injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college
>> > football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not an
>> > excuse for failing to reach your goals. A team that overcomes
>> > injuries to achieve its goals should be rewarded, not penalized.
>> > On top of that the committee ignores the fact that when the CFP
>> > commences, FSU would have their QB2 back as a starter. If they
>> > are going to downgrade FSU because they were unimpressive in
>> > their season ending rivalry game with Florida, why didn't they
>> > downgrade Alabama for a less than impressive performance against
>> > Auburn which they won on fluke play and ridiculously poor defense
>> > by Auburn. Auburn won only one more game than Florida and lost to
>> > New Mexico State in what was supposed to be a tune up game for
>> > the Iron Bowl.
>> >
>> > FSU got cheated and there is no way to excuse it. Everyone on the
>> > CFP committee should resign and none of them should be allowed on
>> > the selection committed for next year's 12 team playoff.
>> Cry me a river. Florida State couldn't beat anyone in the current
>> top ten without Jordan. They were barely able to score on a team
>> that lost to Kentucky.
>
> With their backup to a backup. The regular backup would be back by the
> time the playoffs start.

If the regular backup had lit it up when he played his game, that
might be an argument. But he was 12-25, 5.4 Y/A, 0 TD.

--
There comes a time when you should stop expecting other people to make
a big deal about your birthday. That time is age 12. -- Dave Barry

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 5:40:03 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2023-12-05, JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:28:56 PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> >> > > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.
> >> > > More precisely:
> >> > >
> >> > > For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
> >> > > inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
> >> > > several with legitimate claims to participate.
> >> > >
> >> > > Note the acknowledgement that there might be teams left out which
> >> > > have legitimate claims to participate. As with FSU.
> >> > > > Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for
> >> > > > establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to
> >> > > > mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you
> >> > > > look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they
> >> > > > don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.
> >> > > And they have a delineated list of criteria they use to make this
> >> > > choice of who to sadly leave out. Looks to me like they did their
> >> > > job just as they stated they would do from the get-go.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > "The formula for achieving a successful relationship is simple: you
> >> > > should treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never
> >> > > treat a triviality as if it were a disaster." -- Quentin Crisp
> >> > Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you
> >> > are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players to
> >> > injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college
> >> > football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not an
> >> > excuse for failing to reach your goals. A team that overcomes
> >> > injuries to achieve its goals should be rewarded, not penalized.
> >> > On top of that the committee ignores the fact that when the CFP
> >> > commences, FSU would have their QB2 back as a starter. If they
> >> > are going to downgrade FSU because they were unimpressive in
> >> > their season ending rivalry game with Florida, why didn't they
> >> > downgrade Alabama for a less than impressive performance against
> >> > Auburn which they won on fluke play and ridiculously poor defense
> >> > by Auburn. Auburn won only one more game than Florida and lost to
> >> > New Mexico State in what was supposed to be a tune up game for
> >> > the Iron Bowl.
> >> >
> >> > FSU got cheated and there is no way to excuse it. Everyone on the
> >> > CFP committee should resign and none of them should be allowed on
> >> > the selection committed for next year's 12 team playoff.
> >> Cry me a river. Florida State couldn't beat anyone in the current
> >> top ten without Jordan. They were barely able to score on a team
> >> that lost to Kentucky.
> >
> > With their backup to a backup. The regular backup would be back by the
> > time the playoffs start.
> If the regular backup had lit it up when he played his game, that
> might be an argument. But he was 12-25, 5.4 Y/A, 0 TD.

Well, then the committee should have dropped Florida State's ranking then. Instead they moved them up from #5 to #4 with Ohio State's loss.

On 2023-12-05, JGibson <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 5:40:03 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2023-12-05, JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:28:56 PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42 PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> >> > > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > "The committee...selects the best teams." It says so in the Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket.
>> >> > > More precisely:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > For purposes of any four-team playoff, the process will
>> >> > > inevitably need to select the four best teams from among
>> >> > > several with legitimate claims to participate.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Note the acknowledgement that there might be teams left out which
>> >> > > have legitimate claims to participate. As with FSU.
>> >> > > > Oh, wait...my mistake...those are the principles and procedures for
>> >> > > > establishing the men's basketball tournament bracket. Nobody seems to
>> >> > > > mind that they don't choose the "most deserving" or "best when you
>> >> > > > look at their entire body of work" at-large teams. After all, they
>> >> > > > don't play the tournament over the entire season - just at the end.
>> >> > > And they have a delineated list of criteria they use to make this
>> >> > > choice of who to sadly leave out. Looks to me like they did their
>> >> > > job just as they stated they would do from the get-go.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > "The formula for achieving a successful relationship is simple: you
>> >> > > should treat all disasters as if they were trivialities but never
>> >> > > treat a triviality as if it were a disaster." -- Quentin Crisp
>> >> > Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you
>> >> > are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players to
>> >> > injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college
>> >> > football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not an
>> >> > excuse for failing to reach your goals. A team that overcomes
>> >> > injuries to achieve its goals should be rewarded, not penalized.
>> >> > On top of that the committee ignores the fact that when the CFP
>> >> > commences, FSU would have their QB2 back as a starter. If they
>> >> > are going to downgrade FSU because they were unimpressive in
>> >> > their season ending rivalry game with Florida, why didn't they
>> >> > downgrade Alabama for a less than impressive performance against
>> >> > Auburn which they won on fluke play and ridiculously poor defense
>> >> > by Auburn. Auburn won only one more game than Florida and lost to
>> >> > New Mexico State in what was supposed to be a tune up game for
>> >> > the Iron Bowl.
>> >> >
>> >> > FSU got cheated and there is no way to excuse it. Everyone on the
>> >> > CFP committee should resign and none of them should be allowed on
>> >> > the selection committed for next year's 12 team playoff.
>> >> Cry me a river. Florida State couldn't beat anyone in the current
>> >> top ten without Jordan. They were barely able to score on a team
>> >> that lost to Kentucky.
>> >
>> > With their backup to a backup. The regular backup would be back by the
>> > time the playoffs start.
>> If the regular backup had lit it up when he played his game, that
>> might be an argument. But he was 12-25, 5.4 Y/A, 0 TD.
>
> Well, then the committee should have dropped Florida State's ranking
> then. Instead they moved them up from #5 to #4 with Ohio State's loss.

There was the little matter of another week's play to deal with.
And if GA had won, I don't doubt that Texas would have been on
the outside looking in. But Alabama came in to eff that up, and
FSU was the odd team out.

--
We should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions
where ideas do not have to work in order to survive. -- Thomas Sowell

On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 13:43:58 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:28:56?PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42?PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19?AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> > > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players
>> > to injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not
>> > an excuse for failing to reach your goals.

Losing the quarterback is not just losing "a" player, it's losing the most important player by far. FSU backup QBs are far from plug and play
and FSU is nowhere as good now as they were.

>That shouldn't be the criteria for selecting the teams. FSU earned the right to compete. They were one of the three most
>accomplished teams in the country along with Michigan and Washington.

What about Liberty? Don't they have as much claim as FSU? Didn't they do everything FSU did and go 13-0?
How do we choose between FSU and Liberty? Why aren't you concerned about the fact that Liberty got hosed?

>They did more than Alabama, Texas, or Georgia.
>They went undefeated and won a Power 5 championship. None of the other three can say that.

No, but the others can say they played top ten teams. Alabama played two top 6 teams. FSU didn't play a single top team. They went undefeated
against an easy schedule. Big whoop.
>
>They were barely able to score on a team that lost to Kentucky.
>
>Alabama needed a miracle to beat a team that got rolled by New Mexico State. If you are going to downgrade FSU for
>barely beating Louisville, shouldn't you do the same for Alabama for barely beating Auburn?

Alabama was just going through the motions against a mediocre team and looking ahead to Georgia. Playing such a sloppy game
indeed almost cost them. The play itself was not a miracle, it was a 1st string quarterback making a pass typical at this level of college.
The miracle was the prevent defense called by Auburn. The quarterback knew from the start of the play they likely had a TD.
That's the point, FSU cannot make plays like this one anymore and they proved it in the last few games.

Anyway, if you knew anything about football, you'd know Alabama-Auburn is not a normal game. Records abd rankings mean little.
The emotions and motivation are way, way differrent than those in a game aginst Louisville.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 10:28:57 AM UTC-5, JE Corbett wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 10:18:03 AM UTC-5, Michael Falkner wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:15:22 AM UTC-8, JE Corbett wrote:
> >
> > > Why should we only grade a team by their offense.
> > ESPN and it's mantra of football: It's All About The Quarterback.
> >
> Fortunately, the NFL doesn't vote a team out of the playoffs if they have lost their
> starting QB. You get into the playoffs based on your record and nothing else. The
> CFP chooses to make the selection process a beauty contest.

No matter how many playoff teams they add, it's going to be a bit of a beauty contest. There are 130+ FBS teams, and teams only play 12 games, 8-9 of them against a pretty small subset. So if you try to fit it as a matrix, it's going to be a very sparse matrix. The NFL has 32 teams and each team plays 17 games. While the matrix won't be completely filled like it would be in MLB or NBA, it's a pretty dense matrix. The NFL is basically going to be as well defined as an individual college conference against itself. All of FBS is going to remain ill-defined.

On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 07:15:19 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 9:22:45?AM UTC-5, j...@mich.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 13:43:58 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett <jecor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 4:28:56?PM UTC-5, Corky wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:05:42?PM UTC-6, JE Corbett wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:19:19?AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> >> > > On 2023-12-04, The NOTBCS Guy <don.p.de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> > Using player availability is as dumb a principle as saying you are selecting the four best teams. Every team loses players
>> >> > to injury. The phrase "next man up" has become a mantra in college football. It is a way of saying losing a key player is not
>> >> > an excuse for failing to reach your goals.
>> Losing the quarterback is not just losing "a" player, it's losing the most important player by far. FSU backup QBs are far from plug and play
>> and FSU is nowhere as good now as they were.
>> >That shouldn't be the criteria for selecting the teams. FSU earned the right to compete. They were one of the three most
>> >accomplished teams in the country along with Michigan and Washington.
>> What about Liberty? Don't they have as much claim as FSU? Didn't they do everything FSU did and go 13-0?
>> How do we choose between FSU and Liberty? Why aren't you concerned about the fact that Liberty got hosed?
>> >They did more than Alabama, Texas, or Georgia.
>> >They went undefeated and won a Power 5 championship. None of the other three can say that.
>> No, but the others can say they played top ten teams. Alabama played two top 6 teams. FSU didn't play a single top team. They went undefeated
>> against an easy schedule. Big whoop.
>> >
>> >They were barely able to score on a team that lost to Kentucky.
>> >
>> >Alabama needed a miracle to beat a team that got rolled by New Mexico State. If you are going to downgrade FSU for
>> >barely beating Louisville, shouldn't you do the same for Alabama for barely beating Auburn?
>> Alabama was just going through the motions against a mediocre team and looking ahead to Georgia. Playing such a sloppy game
>> indeed almost cost them. The play itself was not a miracle, it was a 1st string quarterback making a pass typical at this level of college.
>> The miracle was the prevent defense called by Auburn. The quarterback knew from the start of the play they likely had a TD.
>> That's the point, FSU cannot make plays like this one anymore and they proved it in the last few games.
>
>Why should we only grade a team by their offense. Why shouldn't a stifling defense be given the same weight as a high
>powered offense. Special teams matter too. How you win a game shouldn't matter. What matters is that you win. Neither
>Alabama nor FSU was impressive in their rivalry game but only one got dinged for it by the committee.
>>
>> Anyway, if you knew anything about football, you'd know Alabama-Auburn is not a normal game. Records abd rankings mean little.
>> The emotions and motivation are way, way differrent than those in a game aginst Louisville.
>
>FSU's rivalry game is with Florida, the last regular season of the game. That rivalry is just as fierce and means as much to the players as the Iron Bowl does to Alabama and Auburn.

To FSU maybe, but Florida's big rivalry game has always been Georgia.

You didn't say why Liberty shouldn't have been considered for the playoffs. Are you really concerned that a 13-0 record should be the over-riding
consideration? Why aren't you upset about Liberty being hosed?

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:28:57 AM UTC-8, JE Corbett wrote:

> Fortunately, the NFL doesn't vote a team out of the playoffs if they have lost their
> starting QB. You get into the playoffs based on your record and nothing else. The
> CFP chooses to make the selection process a beauty contest.

If they had the system, they would.

Example: NFC Championship 2022-23.

Mike

On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 07:25:52 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:

.. So why should Alabama and Texas have jumped FSU? It was a
>travesty.

Because in their last games of the season, their conference championships,

Alabama beat the #1 ranked team, a team that had won 29 straight and the last two NCs.

Texas crushed OK St with almost 700 yards total offense

FSU struggled agianst Louisville, a team that had just lost their previous game to a 5 loss team

Those were the last games before the final choices, and all 3 games were on national tv for all to see.
FSU needed a better game to keep their position. The concern was that FSU was not the same team
they had been, and that game confirmed it, while Texas and Alabama looked vey strong. Might have
had a better chance had the game not been nationally televised in prime time.

On 2023-12-07, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 07:25:52 -0800 (PST), JE Corbett <jecorbett4@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> . So why should Alabama and Texas have jumped FSU? It was a
>>travesty.
>
> Because in their last games of the season, their conference championships,
>
> Alabama beat the #1 ranked team, a team that had won 29 straight and the last two NCs.
>
> Texas crushed OK St with almost 700 yards total offense
>
> FSU struggled agianst Louisville, a team that had just lost their previous game to a 5 loss team
>
> Those were the last games before the final choices, and all 3 games were on national tv for all to see.
> FSU needed a better game to keep their position. The concern was that FSU was not the same team
> they had been, and that game confirmed it, while Texas and Alabama looked vey strong. Might have
> had a better chance had the game not been nationally televised in prime time.

The fact that they are tasked with picking the four best teams put FSU out of it.

If Alabama had lost to UGA, it would have been easy to leave Texas out and
go with the four unbeatens. But when you have to put a 1-loss team in, and
you can't realistically shun the by-far-strongest conference, the SEC, FSU
is the odd team out.

All FSU has to do is beat UGA worse than Alabama did, and they can have
a world-class whining session that a lot of people will buy into. But if
they get toasted by UGA, they'll fade into the land of very small asterisks.

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