On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 6:03:36 p.m. UTC-5, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
> I haven't seen this message on ES, so I have to fall back on google.

Yeah, you are correct. I went to GG to see if my Mozilla Gorilla post came up ( They did) and I could not see this post-which is maybe a good thing. Though as Werner stated, I do actually agree with a lot of the assesment before we get to Leroy being WK, do they even watch the matches?????

Especially nice to see Rocco Reitz in there, so maybe they watch the goal highlight reels.

> On Friday 12 January 2024 at 11:09:03 UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > In brackets the player's position in the previous ranking (Summer 2023)
> >
> >
> > __
> >
> > Goalkeepers
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > None
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 1. Gregor Kobel / SUI / Borussia Dortmund (IK-1)
> > 2. Manuel Neuer / GER / Bayern München (-)
> > 3. Oliver Baumann / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
> >
> >
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 4. Alexander Nübel / GER / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> > 5. Lukáš Hrádecký / FIN / Bayer Leverkusen (NK-5)
> > 6. Janis Blaswich / GER / RB Leipzig (NK-8)
> > 7. Kevin Trapp / GER / Eintracht Frankfurt (IK-3)
> > 8. Manuel Riemann / GER / VfL Bochum (-)
> > 9. Sven Ulreich / GER / Bayern München (-)
> > 10. Koen Casteels / BEL / VfL Wolfsburg (NK-9)
> > 11. Marvin Schwäbe / GER / 1. FC Köln (-)
> > 12. Moritz Nicolas / GER / Mönchengladbach (-)
> I was expecting Rønnow here, but it seems that Kicker generally doesn't rate him.
> > Neuer played all of eleven matches since October in which he was OK, but
> > hardly stellar, yet is immediately back in No. 2. That's more than a bit at odds
> > with Kicker's usual strict attitude to not judge on past laurels. Also, I'm not
> > sure I've seen two goalkeepers from one team on the same list before.
> >
> >
> > __
> >
> > Central Defenders
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > none
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 1. Odilon Kossounou / CIV / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
> > 2. Jonathan Tah / GER / Bayer Leverkusen (IK-2)
> > 3. Dayot Upamecano / FRA / Bayern München (-)
> > 4. Edmond Tapsoba / BFA / Bayer Leverkusen (IK-6)
> >
> >
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 5. Mohamed Simakan / FRA / RB Leipzig (NK-5 Fullbacks)
> > 6. Waldemar Anton / GER / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> > 7. Mats Hummels / GER / Borussia Dortmund (NK-5)
> > 8. Robin Koch / GER / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
> > 9. Willian Pacho / ECU / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
> > 10. Lukas Klostermann / GER / RB Leipzig (NK-17)
> > 11. Kim Min-jae / KOR / Bayern München (-)
> > 12. Dan-Axel Zagadou / FRA / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> > 13. Keven Schlotterbeck / GER / VfL Bochum
> > 14. Matthias Ginter / GER / SC Freiburg (IK-3)
> > 15. Kevin Vogt / GER / Hoffenheim, transferred to Union Berlin (-)
> > 16. Castello Lukeba / FRA / RB Leipzig (-)
> >
> >
> > Leverkusen will sorely miss Kossounou and Tapsoba, who are off to the
> > Africa Cup of Nations. Also, this must be the first time that Nico
> > Schlotterbeck is seen as worse than his older brother, and rightly so.
> >
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Fullbacks ('defensive laterals')
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > 1. Alejandro Grimaldo / ESP / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
> > 2. Jeremie Frimpong / NED / Bayer Leverkusen (IK-2)
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 3. Benjamin Henrichs / GER / RB Leipzig (NK-3)
> > 4. Hiroki Itō / JAP / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> >
> >
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 5. Maximilian Mittelstädt / GER / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> > 6. David Raum / GER / RB Leipzig (-)
> > 7. Pavel Kadeřábek / CZE / Hoffenheim (-)
> > 8. Noussair Mazraoui / MAR / Bayern München (-)
> > 9. Robin Gosens / GER / Union Berlin (-)
> > 10. Franck Honorat / FRA / Mönchengladbach (-)
> >
> >
> > With just one astute signing from Benfica and a manager that knows how to
> > use fullbacks, after years where this has been the most threadbare of Kicker
> > categories a Bundesliga team suddenly has two World Class players in the
> > position.
> But, as Kicker admits, they're there due to their offensive powers.
> > Defensive Midfielders
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > none
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 1. Granit Xhaka / SUI / Bayer Leverkosen (-)
> > 2. Exequiel Palacios / ARG / Bayer Leverkusen (NK-8)
> >
> >
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 3. Leon Goretzka / GER / Bayern München (-)
> > 4. Xaver Schlager / AUT / RB Leipzig (NK-7)
> > 5. Rocco Reitz / GER / Mönchengladbach (-)
> > 6. Angelo Stiller / GER / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> > 7. Joshua Kimmich / GER / Bayern München (IK-5)
> Bayern youth product playing for Stuttgart, ranked above Stuttgart youth product playing for Bayern.
> > 8. Anton Stach / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
> > 9. Ellyes Skhiri / TUN / Eintracht Frankfurt (IK-1)
> > 10. Amadou Haidara / MLI / RB Leipzig (-)
> > 11. Florian Grillitsch / AUT / Hoffenheim (-)
> > 12. Kevin Kampl / SLO / RB Leipzig (-)
> > 13. Patrick Osterhage / GER / Bochum (-)
> > 14. Hugo Larsson / SWE / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
> >
> >
> > Binder always pooh-poohs the Kicker ratings, yet they also like Reitz and no
> > longer think Emre Can has any business being on the list. OTOH Goretzka is
> > back.
> >
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Offensive Midfielders
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > 1. Florian Wirtz / GER / Bayer Leverkusen (IK-2)
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 2. Xavi Simons / NED / RB Leipzig (-)
> > 3. Jonas Hofmann / GER / Mönchengladbach (NK-5 Wingers)
> Ahem.
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 4. Jamal Musiala / GER / Bayern München (NK-5)
> > 5. Andrej Kramarić / CRO / Hoffenheim (NK-9)
> > 6. Ermedin Demirović / BIH / FC Augsburg (-)
> > 7. Enzo Millot / FRA / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> > 8. Christoph Baumgartner / RB Leipzig (-)
> > 9. Thomas Müller / GER / Bayern München (NK-8)
> > 10. Julian Brandt / GER / Borussia Dortmund (IK-3)
> > 11. Mattias Svanberg / SWE / VfL Wolfsburg (-)
> > 12. Farès Chaïbi / ALG / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
> > 13. Marco Reus / GER / Borussia Dortmund (-)
> >
> >
> > The Old Pretenders with three World Class players. Who could stop them?
> >
> >
> > __
> >
> > Wingers ('offensive laterals')
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > 1. Leroy Sané / GER / Bayern München (NK-7)
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 2. Chris Führich / GER / VfB Stuttgart (-)
> >
> >
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 3. Jan-Niklas Beste / GER / 1. FC Heidenheim (-)
> > 4. Kingsley Coman / FRA / Bayern München (IK-2)
> > 5. Eren Dinkçi / GER / 1. FC Heidenheim (-)
> > 6. Amine Adli / FRA / Bayer Leverkusen (NK-8)
> > 7. Vincenzo Grifo / ITA / SC Freiburg (NK-10)
> > 8. Donyell Malen / NED / Borussia Dortmund (IK-1)
> > 9. Roland Sallai / HUN / SC Freiburg (-)
> >
> >
> > Oh no, and Kicker had done so well to align with Binder's assessments.
> >
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Strikers
> >
> >
> > Weltklasse (World Class)
> >
> > 1. Harry Kane / ENG / Bayern München
> >
> >
> > Internationale Klasse (International Class)
> >
> > 2. Serhou Guirassy / GUI / VfB Stuttgart (NK-5)
> It's strange how he suddenly, at the age of 27, is tearing up the league.
> > 3. Victor Boniface / NGA / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
> > 4. Loïs Openda / BEL / RB Leipzig (-)
> > 5. Omar Marmoush / EGY / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
> > 6. Jonas Wind / DEN / VfL Wolfsburg (-)
> >
> >
> > Nationale Klasse (National Class)
> >
> > 7. Deniz Undav / GER / VfB Stuttgart on loan from Brighton (-)
> > 8. Maximilian Beier / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
> > 9. Niclas Füllkrug / GER / Borussia Dortmund (NK-3)
> > 10. Marvin Ducksch / GER / Werder Bremen (NK-6)
> > 11. Alassane Pléa / FRA / Mönchengladbach (-)
> > 12. Wout Weghorst / NED / Hoffenheim (-)
> >
> >
> > Several new faces, and an area where the league has really improved
> > compared to previous seasons.
> And it's going to reached an even level with Kalajdžić to Frankfurt.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Werner