On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:45:15 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:50?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:40:14?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:15:13?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > List of Critics of Relativity:
> > > > > > > [list]
> > > > > > > Einstein's reaction on learning about the book:
> > > > > > > "Hundert Autoren Gegen Einstein" (1931)
> > > > > > > is still to the point:
> > > > > > > "Wenn sie recht hätten, würde einer genügen."
> > > > > > > (English)
> > > > > > > "One would have sufficed, if they had been right",
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan
> > > > > > Here's an English translation so you can give me chapter and verse:
> > > > > > HUNDRED AUTHORS AGAINST EINSTEIN -ROUGH TRANSLATION Roger J Anderton
> > > > > > R.J.Anderton@btinternet
> > > > > Wrong way round: you started it,
> > > > > you should point out someone in it who made a valuable contribution.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, you are again making it obvious
> > > > > that you are praising a book that you have not even glanced at.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you had, you would have known
> > > > > that they never succeeded in getting anywhere near
> > > > > that 100 authors that the title promisses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > Aren't you as silly as can be, demanding they have more authors for you to
> > > > take them seriously.
> > > See, you know nothing about it.
> > > In 1920 a proto-nazi I won't mention
> > > organised anti-Einstein rallies in Berlin,
> > > filling even a stadium with it.
> > > (a whole shouting stadium, if that isn't convincing, what is)
> > > He then decided to publish an anti-Einstein book, out of what he had.
> > > Originally, in the original enthousiasm
> > > more than a hundred people promised a contribution.
> > >
> > > They had been assuming that it would become a publication
> > > to be taken seriously.
> > > When they realised what kind of crap it was going to be
> > > most of the hundred+ declined to contribute after all.
> > > If you have a good name, why waste it?
> > >
> > > So finally after ten years of begging, needling, pushing and so on
> > > they decided to make do with the crap they had. (1931)
> > > (38 authors, iirc)
> > >
> > > So there really wasn't anything for Einstein to answer,
> > >
> > > Jan
> > As usual, all you have is an ad hominem begging of the question and a
> > refusal to answer the criticisms.
> >
> Don't so lazy. The full original text is on-line at
> <https://archive.org/stream/HundertAutorenGegenEinstein/Hundert%20Autoren%20gegen%20Einstein%20%281931%29_djvu.txt>
> English translation already mentioned at
> <https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Relativity%20Theory/Download/8680>
>
> Extract some (according to you) still relevant and meaningful criticism
> of relativity, and we can discuss that,
>
> Jan
>
> [correction: it was 28 authors, not 38, as I incorrectly remembered]
What kind of predator attacks the weak? Why wouldn't you start with the strongest critics if relativity can be defended at all?

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:16:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> Relativists yawn instead of reasoning.

There is no such term as "relativist" as applied to physicists. That is just a made-up term by cranks and crackpots.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:45:15 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:50?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:40:14?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:15:13?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > List of Critics of Relativity:
> > > > > > > [list]
> > > > > > > Einstein's reaction on learning about the book:
> > > > > > > "Hundert Autoren Gegen Einstein" (1931)
> > > > > > > is still to the point:
> > > > > > > "Wenn sie recht hätten, würde einer genügen."
> > > > > > > (English)
> > > > > > > "One would have sufficed, if they had been right",
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jan
> > > > > > Here's an English translation so you can give me chapter and verse:
> > > > > > HUNDRED AUTHORS AGAINST EINSTEIN -ROUGH TRANSLATION Roger J Anderton
> > > > > > R.J.Anderton@btinternet
> > > > > Wrong way round: you started it,
> > > > > you should point out someone in it who made a valuable contribution.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, you are again making it obvious
> > > > > that you are praising a book that you have not even glanced at.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you had, you would have known
> > > > > that they never succeeded in getting anywhere near
> > > > > that 100 authors that the title promisses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > Aren't you as silly as can be, demanding they have more authors for you to
> > > > take them seriously.
> > > See, you know nothing about it.
> > > In 1920 a proto-nazi I won't mention
> > > organised anti-Einstein rallies in Berlin,
> > > filling even a stadium with it.
> > > (a whole shouting stadium, if that isn't convincing, what is)
> > > He then decided to publish an anti-Einstein book, out of what he had.
> > > Originally, in the original enthousiasm
> > > more than a hundred people promised a contribution.
> > >
> > > They had been assuming that it would become a publication
> > > to be taken seriously.
> > > When they realised what kind of crap it was going to be
> > > most of the hundred+ declined to contribute after all.
> > > If you have a good name, why waste it?
> > >
> > > So finally after ten years of begging, needling, pushing and so on
> > > they decided to make do with the crap they had. (1931)
> > > (38 authors, iirc)
> > >
> > > So there really wasn't anything for Einstein to answer,
> > >
> > > Jan
> > As usual, all you have is an ad hominem begging of the question and a
> > refusal to answer the criticisms.
> >
> Don't so lazy. The full original text is on-line at
> <https://archive.org/stream/HundertAutorenGegenEinstein/Hundert%20Autoren%20gegen%20Einstein%20%281931%29_djvu.txt>
> English translation already mentioned at
> <https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Relativity%20Theory/Download/8680>
>
> Extract some (according to you) still relevant and meaningful criticism
> of relativity, and we can discuss that,
>
> Jan
>
> [correction: it was 28 authors, not 38, as I incorrectly remembered]
So you want to criticize the 28 weakest opponents of relativity and ignore the other 1,500? How lame brained!

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:20:22 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-17 21:48:30 +0000, Richard Hertz said:
>
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:04:53 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 10:32:03 AM UTC-3, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> >> wrote:>> <snip>
> >>>> List of Critics of Relativity:
> >> - Ernest Rutherford> - Oliver Heaviside> - Nikola Tesla>> The forgotten
> >> genius of Oliver Heaviside> Basil Mahon> 2017, Prometheus Books>>> A
> >> Force of Nature> The Frontier Genius of Ernest Rutherford> RICHARD
> >> REEVES> 2008, Atlas & Co
> >
> >
> > The loser Einstein running away, like a rat, from a public discussion
> > about special and general relativity (never, ever, accepted a
> > challenge like this one). He devoted the next 8 years to give
> > conferences on relativity at different countries.
> >
> > But he slipped again at Paris, in March 31, 1922, when he was informed
> > of a hostile audience waiting for him. In particular, he
> > was shocked by the news that THREE former colleagues of the Patent's
> > Office were waiting for him, to discuss PLAGIARISM.
> >
> > Jacques Hadamard, a brilliant french mathematician, told Einstein about
> > the big flaw of the Field equations in his theory of General
> > Relativity, which Karl Schwarzschild had already told him in 1916. It
> > highlights the fact that his theory failed to determine the space-time
> > structure of a massive star, and that space and time concepts didn't
> > make sens anymore at some points.
> >
> > Henri Bergson, a first class philosopher,
> Nonsense. This is what a real first-class philosopher had to say about
> Bergson: "His great reputation began with L’Évolution Créatrice,
> published in 1907--not that this book was better than the others, but
> that it contained less argument and more rhetoric. This book contains,
> from beginning to end, no argument, and therefore no bad argument; it
> contains merely a poetical picture appealing to the fancy." [Bertrand
> Russell (1928). Sceptical Essays. George Allen & Unwin, London, p. 50].
> > discussed with Einstein in a very bitter confrontation, days before, at
> > the same place, the Collège de France. Almost HALF of french scientists
> > refused to attend the different presentations, leaving the auditorium
> > before Einstein came in,
> > every single time.
> > Bergson did fundament his critics backed by prominent French physicists
> > and mathematicians Langevin, Painlevé, Hadamard, Becquerel,Sagnac, and
> > Kastler. Einstein was lost in the discussion and found excuses for NOT
> > RETURNING TO THE PLACE, once he temporarily left
> > the premises.
> --
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
Bergson was in favor of absolute time, but that argument is totally unnecessary. All one needs to do is give time a definition suitable for physics: Time equals Change/ Rate.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> All one needs to do is give time a definition suitable for physics: Time equals Change/ Rate.

So, as I sit here in my chair reading and typing, I am not changing and neither is my rate... so time does not pass for me?

So, you failed high school physics?

Paul Alsing wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:08:06 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
> > Relativity has never been rationally defended and never can be.
>
> On the contrary, relativity has never been rationally defeated, yet. It may eventually be modified and even defeated, but it won't be by a crank who does not even know high school physics!

"high school physics"???? Who teachers "high school physics"????

Only 1/3 of all high school physics teachers have a degree in physics or
physics education.
Almost 1/3 of all high school physics teachers have taken fewer than 3
college physics classes.
90% of middle school students are taught physical science by a teacher
lacking a major or certification in the physical sciences (chemistry,
geology, general science or physics).
Our local and regional school districts have had substantial difficulty
finding and retaining qualified physics teachers. 52% of New York City
high schools do not even offer physics.
Of all school subjects, Physics has the most severe teacher shortage,
followed by math and chemistry. There are large surpluses of biology and
earth science teachers.

http://phystec.physics.cornell.edu/content/crisis-physics-education

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

On 2023-08-18 18:19:52 +0000, Paul Alsing said:

> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:16:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
>> Relativists yawn instead of reasoning.
>
> There is no such term as "relativist" as applied to physicists.

Still less to biochemists.

> That is just a made-up term by cranks and crackpots.

Right. I've never claimed to be physicist or an expert on the theory
of relativity. Nonetheless, I know more about both than most of the
crackpots here.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

On 2023-08-18 18:19:39 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:

> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:45:15 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:50?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:>
>>> > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > On
>>> Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:40:14?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:> > >
>>> > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > > > On
>>> Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:15:13?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:> >
>>> > > > > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > >
>>> > >> > > > > > > > List of Critics of Relativity:> > > > > > > [list]>
>>> > > > > > > Einstein's reaction on learning about the book:> > > > > >
>>> > "Hundert Autoren Gegen Einstein" (1931)> > > > > > > is still to the
>>> point:> > > > > > > "Wenn sie recht hätten, würde einer genügen."> > >
>>> > > > > (English)> > > > > > > "One would have sufficed, if they had
>>> been right",> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jan> > > > > > Here's an English
>>> translation so you can give me chapter and verse:> > > > > > HUNDRED
>>> AUTHORS AGAINST EINSTEIN -ROUGH TRANSLATION Roger J Anderton> > > > > >
>>> R.J.Anderton@btinternet> > > > > Wrong way round: you started it,> > >
>>> > > you should point out someone in it who made a valuable
>>> contribution.> > > > >> > > > > BTW, you are again making it obvious> >
>>> > > > that you are praising a book that you have not even glanced at.>
>>> > > > >> > > > > If you had, you would have known> > > > > that they
>>> never succeeded in getting anywhere near> > > > > that 100 authors that
>>> the title promisses.> > > > >> > > > > Jan> > > > Aren't you as silly
>>> as can be, demanding they have more authors for you to> > > > take them
>>> seriously.> > > See, you know nothing about it.> > > In 1920 a
>>> proto-nazi I won't mention> > > organised anti-Einstein rallies in
>>> Berlin,> > > filling even a stadium with it.> > > (a whole shouting
>>> stadium, if that isn't convincing, what is)> > > He then decided to
>>> publish an anti-Einstein book, out of what he had.> > > Originally, in
>>> the original enthousiasm> > > more than a hundred people promised a
>>> contribution.> > >> > > They had been assuming that it would become a
>>> publication> > > to be taken seriously.> > > When they realised what
>>> kind of crap it was going to be> > > most of the hundred+ declined to
>>> contribute after all.> > > If you have a good name, why waste it?> > >>
>>> > > So finally after ten years of begging, needling, pushing and so on>
>>> > > they decided to make do with the crap they had. (1931)> > > (38
>>> authors, iirc)> > >> > > So there really wasn't anything for Einstein
>>> to answer,> > >> > > Jan> > As usual, all you have is an ad hominem
>>> begging of the question and a> > refusal to answer the criticisms.> >
>> Don't so lazy. The full original text is on-line at>
>> <https://archive.org/stream/HundertAutorenGegenEinstein/Hundert%20Autoren%20gegen%20Einstein%20%281931%29_djvu.txt>>
>> English translation already mentioned at>
>> <https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Relativity%20Theory/Download/8680>>>
>> Extract some (according to you) still relevant and meaningful
>> criticism> of relativity, and we can discuss that,>> Jan>> [correction:
>> it was 28 authors, not 38, as I incorrectly remembered]
> What kind of predator attacks the weak?

Virtually all. It's the sensible thing to do. Apparently you know as
little basic biology as you do basic physics. The only thing you know
how to do is to give a 5-star "review" to a book you haven't read.

> Why wouldn't you start with the strongest critics if relativity can be
> defended at all?

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

On 8/18/2023 1:19 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:45:15 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:

>> Don't so lazy. The full original text is on-line at
>> <https://archive.org/stream/HundertAutorenGegenEinstein/Hundert%20Autoren%20gegen%20Einstein%20%281931%29_djvu.txt>
>> English translation already mentioned at
>> <https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Relativity%20Theory/Download/8680>
>>
>> Extract some (according to you) still relevant and meaningful criticism
>> of relativity, and we can discuss that,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> [correction: it was 28 authors, not 38, as I incorrectly remembered]

> What kind of predator attacks the weak? Why wouldn't you start with the strongest critics if relativity can be defended at all?

ALL predators. You are an idiot.

On 8/18/2023 1:19 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:16:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
>> Relativists yawn instead of reasoning.
>
> There is no such term as "relativist" as applied to physicists. That is just a made-up term by cranks and crackpots.

Create what appears to be a weak link, and then attack that.

On 8/18/2023 1:21 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

<...>

> So you want to criticize the 28 weakest opponents of relativity and ignore the other 1,500? How lame brained!

Creating straw men doesn't work.

On 8/18/2023 1:34 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
>> All one needs to do is give time a definition suitable for physics: Time equals Change/ Rate.
>
> So, as I sit here in my chair reading and typing, I am not changing and neither is my rate... so time does not pass for me?
>
> So, you failed high school physics?

More likely never took physics courses of any sort.

Laurence, this being coached as you go along will not
work out in the long run. It doesn't have to be
forbidden by some rules to be plainly wrong. I know
your coach and your coach has significant limitations.

Don't fall for believing you are more than what you
know before this battle which was cooked up for this
occasion, and not for your benefit.

On 8/17/2023 10:08 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:34:42 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> How does science define the difference between absolute and relative motion?
>>
>> Mitchell Raemsch
> Would it work to define absolute motion as that when only one is moving and not the other? Please tell us your definition.

So Mr. Smartypants, tell me which of the two is moving and which
is stationary. By definition there are only 2 items in this
universe and except for the question raised here we know nothing
else about them.

On August 16, Richard Hertz wrote:
> List of Critics of Relativity:
>
> 1 Abraham, Max
> ...
> 1574 Zhuck, Dr. Nikolay A., Ed.-in-Chief Spacetime & Substance, Kharkiv, Ukraine

1575. Nobel committee, 1921

--
Rich

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:34:17 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:23:52 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
> > All one needs to do is give time a definition suitable for physics: Time equals Change/ Rate.
> So, as I sit here in my chair reading and typing, I am not changing and neither is my rate... so time does not pass for me?
>
> So, you failed high school physics?
You would be the only one in the world not changing and, for that matter, not learning or growing up!

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-18 18:19:39 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:
>
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:45:15 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:13:50?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:>
> >>> > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > On
> >>> Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:40:14?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:> > >
> >>> > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > > > On
> >>> Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:15:13?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:> >
> >>> > > > > > Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c....@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > >
> >>> > >> > > > > > > > List of Critics of Relativity:> > > > > > > [list]>
> >>> > > > > > > Einstein's reaction on learning about the book:> > > > > >
> >>> > "Hundert Autoren Gegen Einstein" (1931)> > > > > > > is still to the
> >>> point:> > > > > > > "Wenn sie recht hätten, würde einer genügen."> > >
> >>> > > > > (English)> > > > > > > "One would have sufficed, if they had
> >>> been right",> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jan> > > > > > Here's an English
> >>> translation so you can give me chapter and verse:> > > > > > HUNDRED
> >>> AUTHORS AGAINST EINSTEIN -ROUGH TRANSLATION Roger J Anderton> > > > > >
> >>> R.J.Anderton@btinternet> > > > > Wrong way round: you started it,> > >
> >>> > > you should point out someone in it who made a valuable
> >>> contribution.> > > > >> > > > > BTW, you are again making it obvious> >
> >>> > > > that you are praising a book that you have not even glanced at.>
> >>> > > > >> > > > > If you had, you would have known> > > > > that they
> >>> never succeeded in getting anywhere near> > > > > that 100 authors that
> >>> the title promisses.> > > > >> > > > > Jan> > > > Aren't you as silly
> >>> as can be, demanding they have more authors for you to> > > > take them
> >>> seriously.> > > See, you know nothing about it.> > > In 1920 a
> >>> proto-nazi I won't mention> > > organised anti-Einstein rallies in
> >>> Berlin,> > > filling even a stadium with it.> > > (a whole shouting
> >>> stadium, if that isn't convincing, what is)> > > He then decided to
> >>> publish an anti-Einstein book, out of what he had.> > > Originally, in
> >>> the original enthousiasm> > > more than a hundred people promised a
> >>> contribution.> > >> > > They had been assuming that it would become a
> >>> publication> > > to be taken seriously.> > > When they realised what
> >>> kind of crap it was going to be> > > most of the hundred+ declined to
> >>> contribute after all.> > > If you have a good name, why waste it?> > >>
> >>> > > So finally after ten years of begging, needling, pushing and so on>
> >>> > > they decided to make do with the crap they had. (1931)> > > (38
> >>> authors, iirc)> > >> > > So there really wasn't anything for Einstein
> >>> to answer,> > >> > > Jan> > As usual, all you have is an ad hominem
> >>> begging of the question and a> > refusal to answer the criticisms.> >
> >> Don't so lazy. The full original text is on-line at>
> >> <https://archive.org/stream/HundertAutorenGegenEinstein/Hundert%20Autoren%20gegen%20Einstein%20%281931%29_djvu.txt>>
> >> English translation already mentioned at>
> >> <https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Relativity%20Theory/Download/8680>>>
> >> Extract some (according to you) still relevant and meaningful
> >> criticism> of relativity, and we can discuss that,>> Jan>> [correction:
> >> it was 28 authors, not 38, as I incorrectly remembered]
> > What kind of predator attacks the weak?
> Virtually all. It's the sensible thing to do. Apparently you know as
> little basic biology as you do basic physics. The only thing you know
> how to do is to give a 5-star "review" to a book you haven't read.
> > Why wouldn't you start with the strongest critics if relativity can be
> > defended at all?
> --
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
I know weasels prey on eggs.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> Here is what Albert Einstein 'thinks' of your list of his Critics...
>
>
> According to Albert Einstein...'in his own words' he said:
>
> 'If you oppose my theories, you're an anti-semitic.'
>
>
> http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/
> http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/
> http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3.pdf
>
> ""Why were men of science opposed
> to your theory when you first made it
> known ?"
> "No men of science," he replied, em
> phasizing the last'word, "were against
> the theory."
> "But there was some opposition?"
> "Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that
> was purely political. Even the physi
> cists who opposed my theory did so for
> political reasons?in my opinion, o'
> course."
> "What do you mean when you say
> the opposition was political?"
> "Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's
> answer. "Because I am a Jew." ""
>
>
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.

That's how the cretin started to pay back to his MASTERS, who helped him in his path of fraud, plagiarism,
theft and privileges, making him worldwide famous IN ORDER TO PARADE HIM AROUND THE GLOBE AS A
FUCKING CIRCUS MONKEY. They did it ONLY in Zionists cities like here, in Argentina, where he visited the
most important Jewish circles (Buenos Aires, La Plata, etc.), PATRONIZED BY THE BRITISH EMBASSY.

In those years (1875-1936), UK WAS THE OWNER OF ARGENTINA: Railroads, energy, telephony, agriculture,
cattle, food processing, steel, oil, etc. The wealthiest people in Argentina were Jews, who partnered with britons,
The argentinian traitors (local elite) were happy to have a very small part of the cake.

Even when it was the second wealthiest country in America, after USA, 95% of the population BARELY SURVIVED.
Who had a job was A SLAVE of these MFkers.

After the "infamous decade" of the '30s, when britons were leaving and selling assets to USA, the road for PERON
to emerge was settled. But he had to settle with local Jews and with the global jew elite, being the third country to
recognize Israel in 1948.

As of today, Jews dominate the economy of the country in almost every single field.

Mercado Libre (e-Bay) is the first company in the country, with incomes twice those of the companies in the energy fields.

Galperin is a Jew, masquerading as owner of Mercado Libre, but SOROS is behind. But this cretin is living in Uruguay, to avoid taxes.

**************************************************

New-York tribune., April 03, 1921

ZIONISTS GREET EINSTEIN, HERE FOR PALESTINE

I thence to the Hotel Commodore, where the FOUR VISITORS will stay for a time.
The whole East Side was decorated with Zionist and American flags and crowds
lined the streets to greet the members cf the Zionist committee.

Early in the morning, when the Rotterdam arrived, newspaper men were unable to
get Professor Einstein to talk at all.
.......
"What do you mean when you say ' the opposition was political?"
"Anti-Semitism," was the scientist'a answer. "Because I am a Jew."
.......
Then he explained that his mission in this country was to help arouse interest in the formation of a university in
Palestine, at which ho hopes to lecture, and said that he probably would lecture at Princeton first, it being the first
American university to invite him.
......
Dr. Weizman, explaining the purpose of the Commlttee's mission, said it wanted to arouse interest in this country toward the
establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

"I am not prepared to say," he said in answer to a question, "HOW THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT is disposed toward the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. But what we want first is to make emigration to Palestine in large numbers possible and 'to develop the land, and then perhaps a state will grow up naturally."

He said the present Jewish population of Palestine was 100,000 and immigrants wore arriving at the rate of1000 a month, rhiefly from "what was once the Russian Empire."

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:54:50 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 1:19 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:16:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >
> >> Relativists yawn instead of reasoning.
> >
> > There is no such term as "relativist" as applied to physicists. That is just a made-up term by cranks and crackpots.
> Create what appears to be a weak link, and then attack that.
You're so stupid you claim its all linked or interdependent. The straw man again.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:47:04 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Here is what Albert Einstein 'thinks' of your list of his Critics...
> >
> >
> > According to Albert Einstein...'in his own words' he said:
> >
> > 'If you oppose my theories, you're an anti-semitic.'
> >
> >
> > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/
> > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/
> > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3..pdf
> >
> > ""Why were men of science opposed
> > to your theory when you first made it
> > known ?"
> > "No men of science," he replied, em
> > phasizing the last'word, "were against
> > the theory."
> > "But there was some opposition?"
> > "Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that
> > was purely political. Even the physi
> > cists who opposed my theory did so for
> > political reasons?in my opinion, o'
> > course."
> > "What do you mean when you say
> > the opposition was political?"
> > "Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's
> > answer. "Because I am a Jew." ""
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> That's how the cretin started to pay back to his MASTERS, who helped him in his path of fraud, plagiarism,
> theft and privileges, making him worldwide famous IN ORDER TO PARADE HIM AROUND THE GLOBE AS A
> FUCKING CIRCUS MONKEY. They did it ONLY in Zionists cities like here, in Argentina, where he visited the
> most important Jewish circles (Buenos Aires, La Plata, etc.), PATRONIZED BY THE BRITISH EMBASSY.
>
> In those years (1875-1936), UK WAS THE OWNER OF ARGENTINA: Railroads, energy, telephony, agriculture,
> cattle, food processing, steel, oil, etc. The wealthiest people in Argentina were Jews, who partnered with britons,
> The argentinian traitors (local elite) were happy to have a very small part of the cake.
>
> Even when it was the second wealthiest country in America, after USA, 95% of the population BARELY SURVIVED.
> Who had a job was A SLAVE of these MFkers.
>
> After the "infamous decade" of the '30s, when britons were leaving and selling assets to USA, the road for PERON
> to emerge was settled. But he had to settle with local Jews and with the global jew elite, being the third country to
> recognize Israel in 1948.
>
> As of today, Jews dominate the economy of the country in almost every single field.
>
> Mercado Libre (e-Bay) is the first company in the country, with incomes twice those of the companies in the energy fields.
>
> Galperin is a Jew, masquerading as owner of Mercado Libre, but SOROS is behind. But this cretin is living in Uruguay, to avoid taxes.
>
>
> **************************************************
>
> New-York tribune., April 03, 1921
>
> ZIONISTS GREET EINSTEIN, HERE FOR PALESTINE
>
> I thence to the Hotel Commodore, where the FOUR VISITORS will stay for a time.
> The whole East Side was decorated with Zionist and American flags and crowds
> lined the streets to greet the members cf the Zionist committee.
>
> Early in the morning, when the Rotterdam arrived, newspaper men were unable to
> get Professor Einstein to talk at all.
> ......
> "What do you mean when you say ' the opposition was political?"
> "Anti-Semitism," was the scientist'a answer. "Because I am a Jew."
> ......
> Then he explained that his mission in this country was to help arouse interest in the formation of a university in
> Palestine, at which ho hopes to lecture, and said that he probably would lecture at Princeton first, it being the first
> American university to invite him.
> .....
> Dr. Weizman, explaining the purpose of the Commlttee's mission, said it wanted to arouse interest in this country toward the
> establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
>
> "I am not prepared to say," he said in answer to a question, "HOW THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT is disposed toward the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. But what we want first is to make emigration to Palestine in large numbers possible and 'to develop the land, and then perhaps a state will grow up naturally."
>
> He said the present Jewish population of Palestine was 100,000 and immigrants wore arriving at the rate of1000 a month, rhiefly from "what was once the Russian Empire."
Einstein pretended to be a victim when he was among the most privileged people in all of history.

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:47:04 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Here is what Albert Einstein 'thinks' of your list of his Critics...
> >
> >
> > According to Albert Einstein...'in his own words' he said:
> >
> > 'If you oppose my theories, you're an anti-semitic.'
> >
> >
> > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/
> > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3/ocr/
> > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-04-03/ed-1/seq-3..pdf
> >
> > ""Why were men of science opposed
> > to your theory when you first made it
> > known ?"
> > "No men of science," he replied, em
> > phasizing the last'word, "were against
> > the theory."
> > "But there was some opposition?"
> > "Yes," was the quiet reply, "but that
> > was purely political. Even the physi
> > cists who opposed my theory did so for
> > political reasons?in my opinion, o'
> > course."
> > "What do you mean when you say
> > the opposition was political?"
> > "Anti-Semitism," was the scientist's
> > answer. "Because I am a Jew." ""
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> That's how the cretin started to pay back to his MASTERS, who helped him in his path of fraud, plagiarism,
> theft and privileges, making him worldwide famous IN ORDER TO PARADE HIM AROUND THE GLOBE AS A
> FUCKING CIRCUS MONKEY. They did it ONLY in Zionists cities like here, in Argentina, where he visited the
> most important Jewish circles (Buenos Aires, La Plata, etc.), PATRONIZED BY THE BRITISH EMBASSY.
>
> In those years (1875-1936), UK WAS THE OWNER OF ARGENTINA: Railroads, energy, telephony, agriculture,
> cattle, food processing, steel, oil, etc. The wealthiest people in Argentina were Jews, who partnered with britons,
> The argentinian traitors (local elite) were happy to have a very small part of the cake.
>
> Even when it was the second wealthiest country in America, after USA, 95% of the population BARELY SURVIVED.
> Who had a job was A SLAVE of these MFkers.
>
> After the "infamous decade" of the '30s, when britons were leaving and selling assets to USA, the road for PERON
> to emerge was settled. But he had to settle with local Jews and with the global jew elite, being the third country to
> recognize Israel in 1948.
>
> As of today, Jews dominate the economy of the country in almost every single field.
>
> Mercado Libre (e-Bay) is the first company in the country, with incomes twice those of the companies in the energy fields.
>
> Galperin is a Jew, masquerading as owner of Mercado Libre, but SOROS is behind. But this cretin is living in Uruguay, to avoid taxes.
>
>
> **************************************************
>
> New-York tribune., April 03, 1921
>
> ZIONISTS GREET EINSTEIN, HERE FOR PALESTINE
>
> I thence to the Hotel Commodore, where the FOUR VISITORS will stay for a time.
> The whole East Side was decorated with Zionist and American flags and crowds
> lined the streets to greet the members cf the Zionist committee.
>
> Early in the morning, when the Rotterdam arrived, newspaper men were unable to
> get Professor Einstein to talk at all.
> ......
> "What do you mean when you say ' the opposition was political?"
> "Anti-Semitism," was the scientist'a answer. "Because I am a Jew."
> ......
> Then he explained that his mission in this country was to help arouse interest in the formation of a university in
> Palestine, at which ho hopes to lecture, and said that he probably would lecture at Princeton first, it being the first
> American university to invite him.
> .....
> Dr. Weizman, explaining the purpose of the Commlttee's mission, said it wanted to arouse interest in this country toward the
> establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
>
> "I am not prepared to say," he said in answer to a question, "HOW THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT is disposed toward the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. But what we want first is to make emigration to Palestine in large numbers possible and 'to develop the land, and then perhaps a state will grow up naturally."
>
> He said the present Jewish population of Palestine was 100,000 and immigrants wore arriving at the rate of1000 a month, rhiefly from "what was once the Russian Empire."
I actually think they are right. We shouldn't call them relativists. They are Einstein apologists.

On 8/18/2023 3:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:54:50 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 1:19 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:16:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

>>>> Relativists yawn instead of reasoning.

>>> There is no such term as "relativist" as applied to physicists. That is just a made-up term by cranks and crackpots.

>> Create what appears to be a weak link, and then attack that.

> You're so stupid you claim its all linked or interdependent. The straw man again.

Thanks for showing your soft inept underbelly. This presents
the correct view that you don't actually know what is linked
and interdependent. Of course you don't. Someone told you
those are weak points in physics. They are not, they are
what keeps physics relevant. Why do you selectively target
only the things that aren't easy to understand? Does force
generally diminish with the square of the distance or not?

Stupid is as stupid writes. Look in a mirror. step back two
feet and look again. You'd have to be completely inept to
fail to see what is going on. But then you probably don't.

A linear universe simply doesn't exist. I could go on, but I
feel certain what I wrote here is already more than you can
fathom. Do let me know when you *actually* understand this
posting.

On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:38:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> List of Critics of Relativity:
>
>
> A
>
> Max Abraham
>
> B
>
> Thomas G. Barnes
> Petr Beckmann
> Tom Bethell
> Léon Brillouin
> Steven B. Bryant
>
> C
> Jeremiah Joseph Callahan
> Robert D. Carmichael
> Conservapedia
> Gago Coutinho
> Heber Doust Curtis
>
> D
>
> Deutsche Physik
> Herbert Dingle
> Hugo Dingler
> John Doan
> Edward Henry Dowdye
> Pierre Duhem
>
> E
>
> Albert Eagle
> Louis Essen
>
> F
> Thomas C Van Flandern
> Theodor Fritsch
>
> G
>
> Ernst Gehrcke
> Lyubomir T. Gruyitch
> Édouard Guillaume
>
> H
> Ronald Hatch
> Oliver Heaviside
> Robert L. Henderson
> Gerard Heymans
>
> I
> Axel Idestrom
> Herbert E. Ives
>
> K
> Kamen George Kamenov
> Wallace Kantor
> Radwan Kassir
> Nikolai Kasterin
> Oskar Kraus
>
> L
>
> Joseph Larmor
> Jean-Marie Le Roux
> Philipp Lenard
> Si-Xian Liang
> Anatoly Logunov
> Paul Lorenzen
> Arthur Oncken Lovejoy
> Otto Luther
> Arthur Lynch (politician)
>
> M
>
> James MacKaye
> William Duncan MacMillan
> Stefan Marinov
> Paul Marmet
> Ian McCausland
> Hjalmar Mellin
> Dayton Miller
> Edward Arthur Milne
> Stjepan Mohorovičić
>
> Enrique Morales-Riveira
> Forest Ray Moulton
>
> N
>
> Harald Nordenson
>
> O
>
> Alfred O'Rahilly
> Arthur S. Otis
>
> P
>
> Menyhért Palágyi
> Leonard Parish
> Arthur Patschke
> Thomas Phipps
> Charles Lane Poor
> Jermain G. Porter
> S. J. Prokhovnik
>
> R
> Alfred O'Rahilly
> L. A. Redman
> Arvid Reuterdahl
> Walther Ritz
> N. Rudakov
> Rutherford, Ernest
>
> S
>
> Georges Sagnac
> Andrew Schlafly
> Rolf Schock
> Thomas Jefferson Jackson See
> Hugo von Seeliger
> Jonas Sepetys
> Jan Slowak
> Harold Slusher
> John Alexander Smith
> Gennadiy Sokolov
> Johannes Stark
> Michael Straus
>
> T
>
> Bruno Thüring
>
> V
>
> Tom Van Flandern
>
> W
>
> Max Bernhard Weinstein
> Paul Weyland
>
> XYZ
> Hans J. Zweig
Everyone is welcome to attempt to refute the best refutation of relativity, that of Rutherford: he dismissed it as unworthy of any consideration.

On 8/18/2023 3:54 PM, whodat wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 1:19 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:16:46 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark
>> Crossen wrote:
>>
>>> Relativists yawn instead of reasoning.
>>
>> There is no such term as "relativist" as applied to physicists. That
>> is just a made-up term by cranks and crackpots.
>
> Create what appears to be a weak link, and then attack that.
>
More like create a word and use it as an insult or slur and attack the
person described by the insulting word. A longtime favorite method of
bullying types.

On 8/18/2023 2:19 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> What kind of predator attacks the weak?

They all do.

Which zebra in a herd gets eaten by the lions? The slowest one.

Volney wrote:

> On 8/18/2023 2:19 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> What kind of predator attacks the weak?
>
> They all do.
> Which zebra in a herd gets eaten by the lions? The slowest one.

wow, that's why america attacks Afghanistan, Libya and Nicaragua?? Wow.

𝗔𝗨𝗦𝗧𝗥𝗔𝗟𝗜𝗔_𝗠𝗢𝗗𝗘𝗥𝗡𝗔_𝗜𝗦_𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘_𝗧𝗢_𝗠𝗔𝗞𝗘_𝗣𝗥𝗢𝗙𝗜𝗧𝗦_𝗡𝗢𝗧_𝗧𝗢_𝗣𝗔𝗬_𝗖𝗢𝗠𝗣𝗘𝗡𝗦𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡_𝗙𝗢𝗥_𝗩𝗔𝗫_𝗜𝗡𝗝𝗨𝗥𝗜𝗘𝗦
https://bit%63%68ute.com/video/YkjmNcDPHMex

𝗧𝗛𝗘_𝗗𝗢𝗗_&_𝗖𝗘𝗡𝗧𝗥𝗔𝗟_𝗕𝗔𝗡𝗞𝗦_𝗖𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗧𝗘𝗗_𝗧𝗛𝗘_𝗖𝗢𝗩𝗜𝗗_19_𝗞𝗜𝗟𝗟_𝗕𝗢𝗫_𝗜𝗧𝗦_𝗔_𝗝𝗢𝗜𝗡𝗧_𝗠𝗜𝗟𝗜𝗧𝗔𝗥𝗬_𝗢𝗣𝗘𝗥𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡
https://bit%63%68ute.com/video/0SXapJnLpbm9