W dniu 09.03.2024 o 08:20, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 08.03.2024 um 10:10 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 08.03.2024 o 09:12, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>> Am 07.03.2024 um 15:41 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 07.03.2024 o 07:57, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The flow of time is assumed to be constant,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assumed by whom?
>>>>>> It usually is, but exceptions happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally support the idea of local time, which is always flowing
>>>>>>> forward in the local environment, but which is not universal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may support it, it's still stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I needed this assumption (which stems imho from Poincaré) for my
>>>>> 'book':
>>>>
>>>> And GPS staff needed the opposite assumption
>>>> for their system to work. What do you find
>>>> more important - your "book" or working
>>>> GPS?
>>>
>>> No, because the GPS does not violate my assumptions.
>>
>> Yes, it does. You may pretend it doesn't - it doesn't
>> impress me the slightest.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> GPS is pyhsically connected to the Earth, hence 'lives' in the same
>>> 'time-domain' (uses Earth time).
>>
>> What is the range of Earth time, then?
>
> If timer is local (opposite to 'universal'), than Earth time is valid on
> Earth or nearby.

So - for every observation made from Earth or nearby?

>> What kind of object does use time?
>
> I regard matter as 'timelike stable patterns'.

I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
does use time? Does a rock do? What for?

Am 10.03.2024 um 11:35 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:

>>>>
>>>> GPS is pyhsically connected to the Earth, hence 'lives' in the same
>>>> 'time-domain' (uses Earth time).
>>>
>>> What is the range of Earth time, then?
>>
>> If timer is local (opposite to 'universal'), than Earth time is valid
>> on Earth or nearby.
>
> So - for every observation made from Earth or nearby?

No: time is local everywhere.

The set of all places, which could use the same time are called 'time
domaine' (in my 'book').

This is the case for all places on the surface of planet Earth.

Other places have other times, which is not necessarily parallel.

Extreme cases are places, where time runs backwards (from our perspective).

Also places are possible, where matter radiates (in our view), while
remains usual matter, if seen in the own frame of reference.

>>> What kind of object does use time?
>>
>> I regard matter as 'timelike stable patterns'.
>
> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>

'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
fullfil.

Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
time'), time enters into the picture, if we have material objects.

All material objects within a certain 'time domain' build the set of
material objects, which an observer in that 'time domaine' would regard
as real (material).

Material objects from other time domains (with their axis of time in a
an angle) the obverer would percieve as radiation (or not at all).

(This 'ghost-like' behaviour of matter from other worlds makes this
concept a little difficult to accept.)

TH

W dniu 12.03.2024 o 09:30, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 10.03.2024 um 11:35 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> GPS is pyhsically connected to the Earth, hence 'lives' in the same
>>>>> 'time-domain' (uses Earth time).
>>>>
>>>> What is the range of Earth time, then?
>>>
>>> If timer is local (opposite to 'universal'), than Earth time is valid
>>> on Earth or nearby.
>>
>> So - for every observation made from Earth or nearby?
>
> No: time is local everywhere.

And an observation made from Earth is made from Earth.

>>>> What kind of object does use time?
>>>
>>> I regard matter as 'timelike stable patterns'.
>>
>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>
>
>
> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
> fullfil.

> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
> time')

So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
How does it use it?
And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
time - times, or are they something else?

Am 12.03.2024 um 13:01 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 12.03.2024 o 09:30, Thomas Heger pisze:
>> Am 10.03.2024 um 11:35 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GPS is pyhsically connected to the Earth, hence 'lives' in the same
>>>>>> 'time-domain' (uses Earth time).
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the range of Earth time, then?
>>>>
>>>> If timer is local (opposite to 'universal'), than Earth time is valid
>>>> on Earth or nearby.
>>>
>>> So - for every observation made from Earth or nearby?
>>
>> No: time is local everywhere.
>
> And an observation made from Earth is made from Earth.
>
>>>>> What kind of object does use time?
>>>>
>>>> I regard matter as 'timelike stable patterns'.
>>>
>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>
>>
>>
>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
>> fullfil.
>
>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of time')
>
> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> How does it use it?
> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> time - times, or are they something else?
>

I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
spacetime).

Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.

A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
certain relatively simple mechanism to explain a variety of different
things.

My main aim was to connect GR and QM.

To do so, I had started at the GR side and tried to make particles out
of spacetime.

The phenomenon 'time' is then emerging from spacetime, if a certain
'cut' is applied and matter is created, which 'wants' time to exist (to
be able to be timelike stable).

So: matter pops out of nowhere and into existence, while the inverse to
matter is empty space (vacuum), which is created together with matter
and time.

This is a rather strange concept, I have to admit, but seemingly the way
how nature functions.

As 'proof of concept' I had 'growing Earth' (which is IMHO correct).

To unbderstand this concept, you could read my 'book', which is about
this idea:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

The key point is this:

an object is called a system.

Systems have boarders and borders are assumed to be arbitrary and of
equal rights, while some make more sense than others.

This is more or less the opposite to the particle concept of QM, which
regards matter (particles) as basic foundation of everything.

TH

W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:

>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
>>> fullfil.
>>
>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
>>> time')
>>
>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>> How does it use it?
>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>
>
> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
> spacetime).
>
> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
>
> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a

Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
Who or what is using "time" concept here?

So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
are they something else?

Thomas Heger wrote:

> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
> certain relatively simple mechanism to explain a variety of different
> things.

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Am 10.03.2024 um 09:03 schrieb Hania Pusztai Sebestyén:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>> Am 09.03.2024 um 09:04 schrieb Bogdan Guleichik Balagul:
>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 08.03.2024 um 10:10 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> GPS is pyhsically connected to the Earth, hence 'lives' in the same
>>>>>> 'time-domain' (uses Earth time).
>>>>> What is the range of Earth time, then?
>>>>
>>>> If timer is local (opposite to 'universal'), than Earth time is valid
>>>> on Earth or nearby. In other locations even the direction of time does
>>>> not need to be the same. This means: there might be regions of the
>>>> universe,
>>>> where time runs backwards from our perspective.
>>>
>>> there are no offsets in time, hence Entropy, my friend. You must be
>>> talking about an unknown, illogic domain or manifold. You don't
>>> undrestand mathematics that much, do you?? You stupid gearmons.
>>
>> ???
>> If I understand you correct (what is difficult), you try to argue, that
>> entropy is the reason for time per se.
>> Well,possibly this is true, possibly not.
>> I think, that time is based on a process of counting something, which
>> occurs always with the same frequency.
>
> you don't undrestand, as said above, it's because you are uneducated and
> stupid. There is no ˝𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝘆_𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀_𝗶𝘀_𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗲,_𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝘆_𝗻𝗼𝘁˝ in physics. Idiot. That
> statement does NOT exists.
>

No, such a statement does exist, because I had written 'possibly this is
true, possibly not'.

The actual fact is unknown, at least by me, hence we are allowed to
speculate.

Possibly time has to do with entropy, possibly not.

If you want an answer to this riddle ('what time actually is'), you need
to find it yourself.

TH

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> stupid. There is no ˝𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝘆_𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀_𝗶𝘀_𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗲,_𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝘆_𝗻𝗼𝘁˝ in physics.
>> Idiot. That statement does NOT exists.
>
> No, such a statement does exist, because I had written 'possibly this is
> true, possibly not'. The actual fact is unknown, at least by me, hence
> we are allowed to speculate. Possibly time has to do with entropy,
> possibly not. If you want an answer to this riddle ('what time actually
> is'), you need to find it yourself.

not in physics, my friend. Try 𝙣𝙚𝙬_𝙖𝙜𝙚, 𝙘𝙖𝙗𝙗𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙝 etc, but that's stupid. The
time used in physics is pretty well defined, 𝗔𝗡𝗗_𝗨𝗦𝗘𝗗, by consent. You
don't want to fuck everybody in their ass, with other time, will you??

𝗧𝗲𝗵𝗿𝗮𝗻_𝗶𝘀_𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗿𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗰𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲_𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻_𝗡𝗲𝘄_𝗬𝗼𝗿𝗸_–_𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗸𝘀_𝘁𝗼_𝗖𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗮 lol
As Beijing helps revamp the Iranian capital’s metro system, a bigger
picture of counter-hegemony takes shape
https://r%74.com/news/594268-tehran-infrastructure-china-help/

𝗙𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲_𝗺𝘂𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱_‘𝗯𝗼𝗼𝘁𝘀_𝗼𝗻_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱’_𝗶𝗻_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗵𝘀_–_𝗟𝗲_𝗠𝗼𝗻𝗱𝗲 lol
President Emmanuel Macron’s transition from dove to hawk began last
summer, the newspaper wrote
https://r%74.com/news/594291-france-considering-boots-june/

‘𝗪𝗲_𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗮𝘁_𝘄𝗮𝗿’_–_𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗲𝗿_𝗨𝗞_𝘀𝗽𝘆_𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗲𝗳 lol
Britain needs to make “tough choices” to be able to counter the “threats”
posed by Russia and China, a former head of MI6 has said
https://r%74.com/news/594300-uk-ukraine-mi6-war/

the 𝗩𝗶𝗰𝗸𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗮_𝗡𝘂𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗱, knighted prafesar at Columbia Univ, on teaching
"𝗛𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗼_𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗼𝘄_𝗮_𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗰_𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱_𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆_𝗮_𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆", or

"𝗛𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗼_𝗱𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗱𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘇𝗲_𝗮_𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆_𝗲𝘂𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗲", or

"𝗵𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗼_𝗯𝗼𝗺𝗯_𝗽𝗶𝗽𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗴𝘆_𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗿𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗰𝗿𝘂𝗿𝗲_𝗮𝘁_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗯𝗼𝗼𝘁𝗼𝗺_𝗼𝗳_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝘀𝗲𝗮,
𝗯𝘆_𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲_𝗱𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗻_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝗺,_𝘁𝗼_𝗿𝗲𝗴𝗶𝗺_𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗵𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲,_𝘁𝗼_𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗺𝘂𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹".

Britain is engaged in a “gray war” - for centuries, the only color they
know, wankers and pigs. I read, they fuck (copulate) the cows and pigs
they eat, in advance. It's not illegal.

You will be bloody, very Bloody! As a former slaves master, destroyed many
Nations, you deserves total deaths in UK.

you are a 'democracy',.... sell all the kings castles, lol

Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>
>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
>>>> fullfil.
>>>
>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
>>>> time')
>>>
>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>> How does it use it?
>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>
>>
>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
>> spacetime).
>>
>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
>>
>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
>
>
> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
??

Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.

Modells are necessarily simpler than the real thing, because otherwise
they are simply unusable.

> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> are they something else?

Time zones are something else.

a 'time domaine' is a set of places, where the same clocks can be used
and permanently show the same time, once they are synchronized properly.

This is the case for all clocks around the Earth at the same hight above
mean sea level.

Time zones are just for convinience, to allow same time of sunrise.

But that makes clocks show different times and disallows synchronization.

TH

TH

Am 15.03.2024 um 12:19 schrieb Connie Bairashevski Balashoff:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>> stupid. There is no ˝𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝘆_𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀_𝗶𝘀_𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗲,_𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝘆_𝗻𝗼𝘁˝ in physics.
>>> Idiot. That statement does NOT exists.
>>
>> No, such a statement does exist, because I had written 'possibly this is
>> true, possibly not'. The actual fact is unknown, at least by me, hence
>> we are allowed to speculate. Possibly time has to do with entropy,
>> possibly not. If you want an answer to this riddle ('what time actually
>> is'), you need to find it yourself.
>
> not in physics, my friend. Try 𝙣𝙚𝙬_𝙖𝙜𝙚, 𝙘𝙖𝙗𝙗𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙝 etc, but that's stupid. The
> time used in physics is pretty well defined, 𝗔𝗡𝗗_𝗨𝗦𝗘𝗗, by consent. You

I'm not quite certain, what you are trying to say.

In physics time is a quantity and measured in seconds. But that does not
say very much about how long a second is and why time exists in the
first place.

TH

W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>
>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>
>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
>>>>> time')
>>>>
>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>> How does it use it?
>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
>>> spacetime).
>>>
>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
>>>
>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
>>
>>
>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
> ??
>
> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.

So, who, or what, can use time to model?

>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>> are they something else?
>
> Time zones are something else.

Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
Are they times or are they something else?

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> not in physics, my friend. Try 𝙣𝙚𝙬_𝙖𝙜𝙚, 𝙘𝙖𝙗𝙗𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙝 etc, but that's
>> stupid. The time used in physics is pretty well defined, 𝗔𝗡𝗗_𝗨𝗦𝗘𝗗, by
>> consent. You
>
> I'm not quite certain, what you are trying to say.
> In physics time is a quantity and measured in seconds. But that does not
> say very much about how long a second is and why time exists in the
> first place.

𝗶𝘁'𝘀_𝗡𝗢𝗧 a quantity, me frendo, but a fundamental dimension of the world.
Nothing in physics is possible, nor happens, without time as a dimension.
You are fucking uneducated, in a nazi country where education is
supposedly to be free. I mean, paid by taxes. And yet, another despicable
卐🕎_𝗻𝗮𝘇𝗶_𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆_🕎卐_wanting to destroy a country.

𝗛𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝘆_𝗯𝗹𝗮𝘀𝘁𝘀_‘𝗹𝗲𝗳𝘁𝗶𝘀𝘁_𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗶𝘀𝘁’_𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗲𝗰𝗵_𝗯𝘆_𝗨𝗦_𝗲𝗻𝘃𝗼𝘆
A long list of grievances presented by the US ambassador has attracted a
frosty reception in Budapest
https://r%74.com/news/594357-us-envoy-leftist-activist/
US Ambassador to Hungary David Pressman (M) in Budapest on February 5,
2024. © Getty Images / PA / Marton Monus

So expell. him persona non grata!

Do not blame 70% of Americans who had their government illegally stolen
in a fraudulent election. Much like Nazi Germany America is in the grip
of criminals and kleptocrats.

at least, the Napoleone was not gay.

Nobody really likes Americans, they're abhorrent in every way.

“community of democracies,” That Is Rich

Pressman tells Hungary not to interfere in the affairs of others, while
showing no sign of hypocrisy whilst interfering himself!! The dog should
return to its kennel.

Come on Orban, you have stood alone so now ACT alone; kick out the yanks
completely, military, spies and diplomats!!

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> > Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>
> >>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
> >>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
> >>>>> time')
> >>>>
> >>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>> How does it use it?
> >>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
> >>> spacetime).
> >>>
> >>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
> >>>
> >>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
> >>
> >>
> >> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> > ??
> >
> > Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>
> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>
> >> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >> are they something else?
> >
> > Time zones are something else.
>
> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> Are they times or are they something else?

Time zones are just...shadows.

The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.

Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?

The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!"

The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"

The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"

The Sun sez, "IT'S JUST A FUCKING SHADOW!!!!"

The Moon ask the Sun, "What time do you have?"

"Half past a cows ass, a quarter to my balls!"
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>
>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>
>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>
>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>> are they something else?
>>>
>>> Time zones are something else.
>>
>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>> Are they times or are they something else?
>
>
> Time zones are just...shadows.

Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
times?

> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>
> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>
>
> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!"
>
> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>
> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"

The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>
> >> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
> >>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
> >>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
> >>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> >>> ??
> >>>
> >>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>
> >> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>
> >>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>> are they something else?
> >>>
> >>> Time zones are something else.
> >>
> >> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >> Are they times or are they something else?
> >
> >
> > Time zones are just...shadows.
>
> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> times?
>
> > The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >
> > Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >
> >
> > The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!"
> >
> > The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >
> > The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>
> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.

The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.

Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.

If you put a sundial in one time zone...

it's shadows all the way down.

wait a minute, i'm hearing something...who dat say who dat when i say
who dat??

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects have to
>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain 'axis of
>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in
>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of atoms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would alllow a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>>>> ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>
>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>
>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>
>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>
>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>> times?
>>
>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>
>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my shadows!"
>>>
>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>
>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>
>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>
> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>
> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>
>
> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>
>
> it's shadows all the way down.

And - are zone times times or are they
something else?

Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>
>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>
>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>> times?
>>>
>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>
>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>> shadows!"
>>>>
>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>
>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>
>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>
>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>
>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>
>>
>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>
>>
>> it's shadows all the way down.
>
> And - are zone times times or are they
> something else?
>

All time measures are intervals.

You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
that event and some other event.

This measure is often called 'time'.

Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.

To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.

But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
born 24 times on a single day.

TH

W dniu 18.03.2024 o 07:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>> times?
>>>>
>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>
>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>
>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>
>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>
>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>
>>>
>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>
>> And - are zone times times or are they
>> something else?
>>
>
> All time measures are intervals.
>
> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> that event and some other event.

All the peobple involved in physics have
some mania of "measure", allegedly ruling
the universe. Nope. Time, clocks and calendars
are not toy gadgets to your cheerful 'let's
explain" game, they have more important things
to do. A shocking concepts, isn't it?

>
> This measure is often called 'time'.
>
> Time includes also dates.

Time IS a system of assigning dates/hours.
Measuring intervals is its less important,
secondary functionality. It's not optmized
for that and it doesn't have to be optimized
for that.

Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.

No. It's 18th march 2024. Most people are unable
to calculate the interval between 2024-03-18
and 0001-01-01 correctly. And they don't need
it at all.

Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> > W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> >> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>
> >>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> >>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> >>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> >>>>>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> >>>>>>>> (of/in
> >>>>>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> >>>>>>>> atoms.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> >>>>>>>> alllow a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> >>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>>>>> are they something else?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> >>>
> >>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> >>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> >>> times?
> >>>
> >>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> >>>> shadows!"
> >>>>
> >>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >>>>
> >>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> >>>
> >>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> >>
> >> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> >>
> >> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> >>
> >>
> >> it's shadows all the way down.
> >
> > And - are zone times times or are they
> > something else?
> >
>
> All time measures are intervals.
>
> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> that event and some other event.
>
> This measure is often called 'time'.
>
> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>
> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>
> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> born 24 times on a single day.
>
> TH

No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
measure the movement of the shadow.

This measure you often called 'time'.

But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
shadow or no shadow.

The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
doing, it's just a shadow?!"

"Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >
> > Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> > > W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> > >> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> > >>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> > >>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> > >>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> > >>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> > >>>>>>>>>> have to
> > >>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> > >>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> > >>>>>>>>>> time')
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> > >>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> > >>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> > >>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> > >>>>>>>> (of/in
> > >>>>>>>> spacetime).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> > >>>>>>>> atoms.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> > >>>>>>>> alllow a
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> > >>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> > >>>>>> ??
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> > >>>>>>> are they something else?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> > >>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> > >>>
> > >>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> > >>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> > >>> times?
> > >>>
> > >>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> > >>>> shadows!"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> > >>>
> > >>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> > >>
> > >> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> > >>
> > >> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> it's shadows all the way down.
> > >
> > > And - are zone times times or are they
> > > something else?
> > >
> >
> > All time measures are intervals.
> >
> > You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> > that event and some other event.
> >
> > This measure is often called 'time'.
> >
> > Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> > a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
> >
> > To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> > fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
> >
> > But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> > born 24 times on a single day.
> >
> > TH
>
> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
> measure the movement of the shadow.
>
> This measure you often called 'time'.
>
> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
> shadow or no shadow.
>
> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>
> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>

In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
shadow.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>
>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>
>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>> something else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>
>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>> that event and some other event.
>>>
>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>
>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>
>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>
>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>
>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>
>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>> shadow or no shadow.
>>
>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>
>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>
>
>
> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> shadow.

And?
Are zone times times or are they
something else?

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> >>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
> >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> >>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> >>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> >>>>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> >>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> >>>>>> times?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> >>>>>>> shadows!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
> >>>>
> >>>> And - are zone times times or are they
> >>>> something else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> All time measures are intervals.
> >>>
> >>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> >>> that event and some other event.
> >>>
> >>> This measure is often called 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> >>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
> >>>
> >>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> >>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> >>> born 24 times on a single day.
> >>>
> >>> TH
> >>
> >> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
> >> measure the movement of the shadow.
> >>
> >> This measure you often called 'time'.
> >>
> >> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
> >> shadow or no shadow.
> >>
> >> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
> >> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
> >>
> >> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
> >>
> >
> >
> > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> > shadow.
>
> And?
> Are zone times times or are they
> something else?

12X

X = times

12 times.

How many times are you going to ask dis question????

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> >>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
> >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> >>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> >>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> >>>>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> >>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> >>>>>> times?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> >>>>>>> shadows!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
> >>>>
> >>>> And - are zone times times or are they
> >>>> something else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> All time measures are intervals.
> >>>
> >>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> >>> that event and some other event.
> >>>
> >>> This measure is often called 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> >>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
> >>>
> >>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> >>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> >>> born 24 times on a single day.
> >>>
> >>> TH
> >>
> >> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
> >> measure the movement of the shadow.
> >>
> >> This measure you often called 'time'.
> >>
> >> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
> >> shadow or no shadow.
> >>
> >> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
> >> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
> >>
> >> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
> >>
> >
> >
> > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> > shadow.
>
> And?
> Are zone times times or are they
> something else?

zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
the face of the earth.

there are no seconds
there are no minutes
there are no hours
there are no days, months or years...
there are no times or zones times..

it's just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across the face of the earth.

The universe in not mathematical.
Math exist only in the mind.

What time is it, I gotta go, I'm late...

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

W dniu 19.03.2024 o 19:58, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>>>> something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>>>
>>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>>>> that event and some other event.
>>>>>
>>>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>>
>>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>>>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>>>
>>>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>>>
>>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>>>> shadow or no shadow.
>>>>
>>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>>>
>>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
>>> shadow.
>>
>> And?
>> Are zone times times or are they
>> something else?
>
>
>
> 12X
>
> X = times
>
> 12 times.
>
> How many times are you going to ask dis question????

0x
x - times
0 times.
How many times are you going to answer dis question?

W dniu 19.03.2024 o 20:09, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>>>> something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>>>
>>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>>>> that event and some other event.
>>>>>
>>>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>>
>>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>>>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>>>
>>>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>>>
>>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>>>> shadow or no shadow.
>>>>
>>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>>>
>>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
>>> shadow.
>>
>> And?
>> Are zone times times or are they
>> something else?
>
>
> zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
> the face of the earth.

Finally. An answer.
Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's
shadow moving across the face of the earth?