complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
way to do it:

https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 12:38:00 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
> way to do it:
>
> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I imagine lots of people want the "real racer" look. But I prefer the wires to have the slightest bends in them possible so that the derailleurs and brakes work with the least possible pressure.

On 1/25/2024 3:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a way to do it:
>
> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/

Seems like a lot of engineering for a minor aesthetic difference.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 9:52:11 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 12:38:00 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
> > way to do it:
> >
> > https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > a...@yellowjersey.org
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I imagine lots of people want the "real racer" look. But I prefer the wires to have the slightest bends in them possible so that the derailleurs and brakes work with the least possible pressure.

Me too, hence Di2 and hydraulic disc brakes and I can still stuff everything inside the frame. :-)

Lou

On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>way to do it:
>
>https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/

I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
open.

On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>>way to do it:
>>
>>https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>
>I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
>open.

I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
equipped with visible cables ?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:56:32 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>>>way to do it:
>>>
>>>https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>>
>>I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
>>open.
>
>I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
>equipped with visible cables ?

I don't mind spending money and effort to make the bike function
better, but not for purely cosmetic fluff. I have the same philosophy
about cars. Fins, wings, and fake air scoops are turnoffs for me.

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:22:22 AM UTC+1, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:56:32 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> ><Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
> >>>way to do it:
> >>>
> >>>https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
> >>
> >>I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
> >>open.
> >
> >I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
> >equipped with visible cables ?
> I don't mind spending money and effort to make the bike function
> better, but not for purely cosmetic fluff. I have the same philosophy
> about cars. Fins, wings, and fake air scoops are turnoffs for me.

Pfff. Nobody is immune for cosmetic ‘fluff’. Even the choice of a color is given in for cosmetic fluff.

Lou

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:14:50 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:22:22?AM UTC+1, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:56:32 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> ><Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>> >>>way to do it:
>> >>>
>> >>>https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>> >>
>> >>I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
>> >>open.
>> >
>> >I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
>> >equipped with visible cables ?
>> I don't mind spending money and effort to make the bike function
>> better, but not for purely cosmetic fluff. I have the same philosophy
>> about cars. Fins, wings, and fake air scoops are turnoffs for me.
>
>Pfff. Nobody is immune for cosmetic ‘fluff’. Even the choice of a color is given in for cosmetic fluff.
>
>Lou

Read what I wrote. It's the spending of money and effort for cosmetic
fluff that are turnoffs for me.

On 1/25/2024 3:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a way to do it:
>
> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/

Just my opinion -
I wouldn't exactly call that "classic handmade looks". I'm not referring
to the internal routing specifically, but the frame design overall. Sure
it does have a "handmade look", but only in that you can see the welds.
For me, a "classic" look will give you elegant lugwork with traditional
geometry. Very few bike builders are working with lugs any more, There
are certainly few - if any - standard offerings. You want classic? This
is it:

https://officinabattaglin.com/products/custom-steel-bikes/portofino/

Of note...."fully hidden cable routing when the frame is assembled with
an electronic disc-brake groupset"

Apparently Battaglin figured out internal cable routing at least as
early as 2022.

--
Add xx to reply

On 1/26/2024 1:56 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>>> way to do it:
>>>
>>> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>>
>> I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
>> open.
>
> I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
> equipped with visible cables ?

Harumph.
Some might say a 'classic' bicycle has no cables to hide.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/PANAK7IB.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 7:04:16 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/26/2024 1:56 AM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
> > <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
> >>> way to do it:
> >>>
> >>> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
> >>
> >> I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
> >> open.
> >
> > I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
> > equipped with visible cables ?
> Harumph.
> Some might say a 'classic' bicycle has no cables to hide.
>
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/PANAK7IB.JPG
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
They are used as delivery vehicles in the San Francisco Financial district. But the financial district is rapidly disappearing since everything now can be done over the internet.

On 1/26/2024 8:05 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 1/25/2024 3:37 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a way to do it:
>>
>> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>
> Just my opinion -
> I wouldn't exactly call that "classic handmade looks". I'm not referring
> to the internal routing specifically, but the frame design overall.

For me, the most important component of "classic looks" is an elegantly
curved fork, one that exits the fork crown with tubes parallel to the
seat tube. I just can't get used to the look of straight forks.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 7:04:16 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/26/2024 1:56 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:15:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>>>>> way to do it:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm kind of partial to seeing loops and strands of cable out in the
>>>> open.
>>>
>>> I was thinking about this today, but isn't a "classic" bicycle one
>>> equipped with visible cables ?
>> Harumph.
>> Some might say a 'classic' bicycle has no cables to hide.
>>
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/PANAK7IB.JPG
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> They are used as delivery vehicles in the San Francisco Financial
> district. But the financial district is rapidly disappearing since
> everything now can be done over the internet.
>
Perhaps for documents but moving stuff and people about seems to be a
growing business ie less a Fixed bike more cargo bike.

Such as this lot. https://pedalme.co.uk

Roger Merriman

Am Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600 schrieb AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>:

>complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>way to do it:
>
>https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/

I'm quite happy with the partial internal routing on the bikes I built
in Spring 2023. A closer look into a picture I have shown a while ago,
from my first test ride, still without tape on the handlebar.
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20230408/DSC02154.jpg>
Internal routing through the fork and down tube hides the hydraulic line
where it gets in the way and poses a risk, but outside routing makes it
easy to modify the handlebars and stem.

--
Bicycle helmets are the Bach flower remedies of traffic

Wolfgang Strobl <news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:
> Am Thu, 25 Jan 2024 14:37:58 -0600 schrieb AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>:
>
>> complex, IMHO but if that's what you want to do this is a
>> way to do it:
>>
>> https://bikerumor.com/columbus-trittico-brings-modern-full-internal-routing-to-classic-handmade-looks/
>
> I'm quite happy with the partial internal routing on the bikes I built
> in Spring 2023. A closer look into a picture I have shown a while ago,
> from my first test ride, still without tape on the handlebar.
> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20230408/DSC02154.jpg>
>
> Internal routing through the fork and down tube hides the hydraulic line
> where it gets in the way and poses a risk, but outside routing makes it
> easy to modify the handlebars and stem.
>
>
My Gravel and MTB have that ie internal though frame but cables by the
bars.

In terms of user experience I’m less concerned about full internal though
would make putting a bike in bike box a much more of faff, as I have done
in the past.

But one piece bars that you need to buy separate attachments to fit a bike
computer let alone lights and so on.

Roger Merriman