New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 13:42:08 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.

I thought you had problems with slow leaks, not flattts?

(Jan 16, 2024)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/eAEXNTV6WKg/m/allyQpo4AgAJ>
"I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them
are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires.
When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One
of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it."

Do you really believe that your punctures are from worn steel belted
radial or bias ply car tires? There are a few problems with this
theory. I've been driving for about 50 years and have only seen
someone driving with an exposed steel belt twice and that was on heavy
construction equipment. My limited experience working for a tire
store in early college (about 1967) indicated that when the cord was
exposed, the tire would soon go flat. I don't know the wire gauge
used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
I suggest that you find a better amazing theory,

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>I don't know the wire gauge
>used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.

<https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
"In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
mm."

0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 13:42:08 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.

I suppose that the real question is, "Does Tommy actuality know to
properly install a tire?"

The question arrases as Tommy has, in his many posts, informed us that
he doesn't know how to install a bottom bracket, front derailer, seat
post, seat clamp, handle bars, cables, and many other components of
these complex two wheel devices.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.

no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.

Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:51:21 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I don't know the wire gauge
>>used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>>the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
>
><https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
>"In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
>diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
>mm."
>
>0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.

The actual measurement would be 0.0039 inches :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 19:31:47 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
>
> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
>about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
>soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
>creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
>scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
>words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.

Careful now :-}
If George Sores actually knew Tom he might be out to get him :-_)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:52:01 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52?PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
>> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
>> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
>> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
>> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
>> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
>> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.
>
>Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.

Well Tommy, you told us a bit ago that you were making over $250,000 a
year and now you are telling us you paid no taxes.

So, logically H&R is some sort of miracle worker? Make a quarter
million and pay no taxes?

Or perhaps more likely scenario - Tommy K. is a lying piece of shit?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/27/2024 7:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
>> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
>> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
>> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
>> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
>> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
>> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.
>
> Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.

no, dumbass, we don't know how much in taxes you paid, we just know it
wasn't "zero" unless your income was so low that you didn't need to pay
taxes.

As usual, you lie to inflate your importance. No one knows who you are,
and no one cares who you are. You'll die in even more obscurity than the
shitstain

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:08:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:52:01 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52?PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>>> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> > New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
>>> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
>>> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
>>> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
>>> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
>>> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
>>> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.
>>
>>Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.

>Well Tommy, you told us a bit ago that you were making over $250,000 a
>year and now you are telling us you paid no taxes.
>
>So, logically H&R is some sort of miracle worker? Make a quarter
>million and pay no taxes?
>
>Or perhaps more likely scenario - Tommy K. is a lying piece of shit?

Tom is lying but in a different area. He keeps talking about his
Traditional and Roth IRAs. An IRA is tax deferred, not tax exempt. He
can keep his Roth IRA until he dies, but his Traditional IRA needed to
be withdrawn beginning at age 72. Tom is 79 years old, so he should
have been paying taxes on his IRA withdrawals for at least the last 7
years:
<https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-participant-employee/retirement-topics-required-minimum-distributions-rmds>
There are ways to avoid paying taxes on his withdrawals, such as a
QLAC but I haven't read anything from Tom the even hints that he knows
about them:
<https://finance.yahoo.com/news/avoid-paying-taxes-ira-withdrawals-202808379.html>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know the wire gauge
>> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
>
> <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
> "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
> diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
> mm."
>
> 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.
>

It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
tires. More frequently than syringe needles or drywall screws:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/alexflat.jpg

Less common than beer/liquor bottle shards.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:28:04 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know the wire gauge
>>> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>>> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
>>
>> <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
>> "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
>> diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
>> mm."
>>
>> 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.
>>
>
>It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
>tires. More frequently than syringe needles or drywall screws:
>
>http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/alexflat.jpg
>
>Less common than beer/liquor bottle shards.

I had two flat tires from vehicle tire debris riding along US highway
#1 in the Florida keys.

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:26:22 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 7:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
> >> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
> >> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
> >> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
> >> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
> >> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
> >> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
> >> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.
> >
> > Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.
> no, dumbass, we don't know how much in taxes you paid, we just know it
> wasn't "zero" unless your income was so low that you didn't need to pay
> taxes.
>
> As usual, you lie to inflate your importance. No one knows who you are,
> and no one cares who you are. You'll die in even more obscurity than the
> shitstain

Thanks for demonstrating your fear of your failure and jealousy of my success. You could almost be Krygowski but you would have to gain 50 points of IQ bringing you up to moron.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:28:08 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know the wire gauge
> >> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
> >> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
> >
> > <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
> > "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
> > diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
> > mm."
> >
> > 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.
> >
> It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
> tires. More frequently than syringe needles or drywall screws:
>
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/alexflat.jpg
>
> Less common than beer/liquor bottle shards.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
200 feet from where I live is the main street that you follow to get to the various winter rides I do. This is also the heavy truck routes and the delivery trucks are the worst offenders of worn tires. There is also a lot of broken glass on these routes, but you can usually see that.

On 1/28/2024 11:19 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:26:22 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 1/27/2024 7:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52 PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>>>> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
>>>> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
>>>> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
>>>> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
>>>> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
>>>> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
>>>> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.
>> no, dumbass, we don't know how much in taxes you paid, we just know it
>> wasn't "zero" unless your income was so low that you didn't need to pay
>> taxes.
>>
>> As usual, you lie to inflate your importance. No one knows who you are,
>> and no one cares who you are. You'll die in even more obscurity than the
>> shitstain
>
> Thanks for demonstrating your fear of your failure and jealousy of my success. You could almost be Krygowski but you would have to gain 50 points of IQ bringing you up to moron.

you have no success to be jealous of

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:28:04 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know the wire gauge
>>> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>>> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
>>
>> <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
>> "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
>> diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
>> mm."
>>
>> 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.

>It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
>tires.

Well yes. The thin wires are molded into the rubber. The wires were
not pushed in by mechanical means, but rather, they were delivered
embedded in the rubber from the manufactory. I don't believe it is
possible to mechanically shove one of the wires through a bicycle
tire, especially by driving over the wire.

>More frequently than syringe needles or drywall screws:
>http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/alexflat.jpg
>Less common than beer/liquor bottle shards.

Many years ago, there were several carpenters living along my dirt
road. They would routinely drop various fasteners onto the road which
would eventually puncture car tires. The carnage was sufficient to
inspire threats of violence from the neighbors. The solution was to
seal the pickup bed with plastic swimming pools and to remove the
fasteners from the road using magnetic rollers and metal detectors.
The worst offender were roofing cap nails with square washers
attached:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=metal+cap+nails&tbm=isch>
2nd place were aluminum nails:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=aluminum+nails&tbm=isch>
which were difficult to find with the metal locator and impossible
with the magnetic roller:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+roller+for+nails&tbm=isch>

The carpenters eventually sold their houses thus eliminating the nail
problem. However, I still bring the magnetic roller on occasional dog
walks with the neighbors.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/28/2024 12:24 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:28:04 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know the wire gauge
>>>> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>>>> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
>>>
>>> <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
>>> "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
>>> diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
>>> mm."
>>>
>>> 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.
>
>> It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
>> tires.
>
> Well yes. The thin wires are molded into the rubber. The wires were
> not pushed in by mechanical means, but rather, they were delivered
> embedded in the rubber from the manufactory. I don't believe it is
> possible to mechanically shove one of the wires through a bicycle
> tire, especially by driving over the wire.
>
>> More frequently than syringe needles or drywall screws:
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/alexflat.jpg
>> Less common than beer/liquor bottle shards.
>
> Many years ago, there were several carpenters living along my dirt
> road. They would routinely drop various fasteners onto the road which
> would eventually puncture car tires. The carnage was sufficient to
> inspire threats of violence from the neighbors. The solution was to
> seal the pickup bed with plastic swimming pools and to remove the
> fasteners from the road using magnetic rollers and metal detectors.
> The worst offender were roofing cap nails with square washers
> attached:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=metal+cap+nails&tbm=isch>
> 2nd place were aluminum nails:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=aluminum+nails&tbm=isch>
> which were difficult to find with the metal locator and impossible
> with the magnetic roller:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+roller+for+nails&tbm=isch>
>
> The carpenters eventually sold their houses thus eliminating the nail
> problem. However, I still bring the magnetic roller on occasional dog
> walks with the neighbors.
>
>
>

Without overanalyzing reasons, severely worn steel radials
are more common in some neighborhoods than others:

https://worldtirereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/What-Can-You-Do-With-Wire-Showing-On-Tire.jpg

The dancing-with-death worn tires shed steel wire.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:25:10 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:28:04 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't know the wire gauge
> >>> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
> >>> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin..
> >>
> >> <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
> >> "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
> >> diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
> >> mm."
> >>
> >> 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.
>
> >It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
> >tires.
> Well yes. The thin wires are molded into the rubber. The wires were
> not pushed in by mechanical means, but rather, they were delivered
> embedded in the rubber from the manufactory. I don't believe it is
> possible to mechanically shove one of the wires through a bicycle
> tire, especially by driving over the wire.
>

You would be surprised as almost every hairdresser had one hair shoved into his or hers finger to the bone at one time.

Lou

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:01:17 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:25:10?PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:28:04 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >On 1/27/2024 4:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 14:34:33 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I don't know the wire gauge
>> >>> used in tires. I don't think I could push such a thin wire through
>> >>> the bicycle tire tread or sidewall unless the tire was unusually thin.
>> >>
>> >> <https://www.quora.com/In-practice-the-wires-in-car-and-truck-tyres-are-only-0-1-mm-diameter-but-are-wound-into-a-twisted-cord-with-diameter-of-around-2-mm-Why-as-in-why-a-cord-of-2mm-diameter-and-not-a-single-wire-with-diameter-of-2-mm>
>> >> "In practice the wires in car (and truck) tyres are only 0.1 mm
>> >> diameter, but are wound into a twisted cord with diameter of around 2
>> >> mm."
>> >>
>> >> 0.1mm dia is about #38 AWG which is very thin wire.
>>
>> >It is a thin wire and I have pulled them out of bicycle
>> >tires.
>> Well yes. The thin wires are molded into the rubber. The wires were
>> not pushed in by mechanical means, but rather, they were delivered
>> embedded in the rubber from the manufactory. I don't believe it is
>> possible to mechanically shove one of the wires through a bicycle
>> tire, especially by driving over the wire.

>You would be surprised as almost every hairdresser had one hair shoved into his or hers finger to the bone at one time.
>Lou

I would be very surprised. I've never heard of that happening. The
hair would need to be perfectly straight. There's something called a
"hair splinter" which is a similar problem but unlikely to be caused
by "car tires shedding wires":
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9149401/>
Tom claimed that his bicycle tires and tubes were penetrated by "car
tires shedding wires".

I have a Durometer (Shore A type) for measuring the hardness of
various materials.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=shore+a+durometer&tbm=isch>
Mostly, I use it for measuring rubber hardness. It works by trying to
shove a steel pin into the material and measuring the depth
penetration. I have no plans to use the tester on my finger but
suspect it would not be as hard as a bicycle tire.

(Jan 16, 2024)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/eAEXNTV6WKg/m/allyQpo4AgAJ>
"I have four bikes down in the garage with flat tires and all of them
are the slow leaks indicative of worn out car tires shedding wires.
When I repair a pin hole flat the next ride is the same problem. One
of the tubes I was repairing had six of these micro holes in it."

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 08:19:23 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:26:22?PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 1/27/2024 7:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 4:31:52?PM UTC-8, zen cycle wrote:
>> >> On 1/27/2024 4:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>> New Gatorskins with new innertubes and again another flat 25% into the ride today. Sounds to me like it is time for Flunky to tell us that he can get innertubes on-line from Amazon.
>> >> no, it's time for you to excrete yet another inane conspiracy theory
>> >> about how you've been having bad luck lately. I know, how about george
>> >> soros is aiming his jewish space lasers at the roads around san leandro,
>> >> creating potholes which cause the exposed steel belts from tires to
>> >> scatter wire fragments on the roads where you ride all time. In other
>> >> words, tommy, George Soros is out to get you, you personally.
>> >
>> > Shouldn't you and Scharf be telling me how much income taxes I paid and how I should really be investing my money? You guys know so much that you have money rolling out of your ears. And as we all know H&R Block wouldn't know nearly as much as you or Scharf about filling out tax forms.
>> no, dumbass, we don't know how much in taxes you paid, we just know it
>> wasn't "zero" unless your income was so low that you didn't need to pay
>> taxes.
>>
>> As usual, you lie to inflate your importance. No one knows who you are,
>> and no one cares who you are. You'll die in even more obscurity than the
>> shitstain
>
>Thanks for demonstrating your fear of your failure and jealousy of my success. You could almost be Krygowski but you would have to gain 50 points of IQ bringing you up to moron.

How does that song go? "The biggest fool to hit the big time and all
he has to do is act naturally"?
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Cheers,

John B.