They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.

On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.

Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>
>Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.

How racist!

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>
>Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.

Blythe is in California.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blythe,_California>
California protects its criminals.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 2/1/2024 3:35 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>>
>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
>
> How racist!

Racist? Color of the stolen auto was not mentioned.

And not only State differences. Merely crossing a county
line can bring wildly different enforcement:

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-man-high-speed-chase-stolen-vehicle-sentenced

The original radio report, after he was held over on a
$1000000 bond, quoted him as saying he had never been held
over for stolen cars before(!). The judge noted, "This is
not Cook County."

Note that not even in DuPage however was he charged for the
illegal loaded 9mm or as a felon in possession.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:58:43 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 3:35 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>>>
>>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
>>
>> How racist!
>
>Racist? Color of the stolen auto was not mentioned.

Sorry.... I don't know that comment came from. Maybe I hesitated to
long on a far left news channel when I was surfing TV.

>And not only State differences. Merely crossing a county
>line can bring wildly different enforcement:
>
>https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-man-high-speed-chase-stolen-vehicle-sentenced
>
>The original radio report, after he was held over on a
>$1000000 bond, quoted him as saying he had never been held
>over for stolen cars before(!). The judge noted, "This is
>not Cook County."
>
>Note that not even in DuPage however was he charged for the
>illegal loaded 9mm or as a felon in possession.

On 2/1/2024 3:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>>
>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
>
> Blythe is in California.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blythe,_California>
> California protects its criminals.
>

Thanks I misunderstood that.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:18:00 PM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:58:43 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 2/1/2024 3:35 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> >> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
> >>>
> >>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
> >>
> >> How racist!
> >
> >Racist? Color of the stolen auto was not mentioned.
> Sorry.... I don't know that comment came from. Maybe I hesitated to
> long on a far left news channel when I was surfing TV.
> >And not only State differences. Merely crossing a county
> >line can bring wildly different enforcement:
> >
> >https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-man-high-speed-chase-stolen-vehicle-sentenced
> >
> >The original radio report, after he was held over on a
> >$1000000 bond, quoted him as saying he had never been held
> >over for stolen cars before(!). The judge noted, "This is
> >not Cook County."
> >
> >Note that not even in DuPage however was he charged for the
> >illegal loaded 9mm or as a felon in possession.

Also while the color of the stolen SUV was yellow, the guy said that he needed a ride to Arizona. He had an interview in Phoenix. Just think of that. He simply stole a car to get someplace when the cost of the gas alone would have bought him a plane ticket.

On 2/1/2024 5:10 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:18:00 PM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:58:43 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2024 3:35 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
>>>>
>>>> How racist!
>>>
>>> Racist? Color of the stolen auto was not mentioned.
>> Sorry.... I don't know that comment came from. Maybe I hesitated to
>> long on a far left news channel when I was surfing TV.
>>> And not only State differences. Merely crossing a county
>>> line can bring wildly different enforcement:
>>>
>>> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-man-high-speed-chase-stolen-vehicle-sentenced
>>>
>>> The original radio report, after he was held over on a
>>> $1000000 bond, quoted him as saying he had never been held
>>> over for stolen cars before(!). The judge noted, "This is
>>> not Cook County."
>>>
>>> Note that not even in DuPage however was he charged for the
>>> illegal loaded 9mm or as a felon in possession.
>
> Also while the color of the stolen SUV was yellow, the guy said that he needed a ride to Arizona. He had an interview in Phoenix. Just think of that. He simply stole a car to get someplace when the cost of the gas alone would have bought him a plane ticket.

Tangentially, policy matters.

If we do not jail carjackers we get more carjackers.
Not prosecuting 'firearm used in an assault' gets you more
armed assaults
And so on.

These guys who attacked NYPD:

https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/metro/police-believe-4-of-the-migrants-arrested-in-nyc-cop-beatdown-fled-to-california/

Are illegals. Some with outstanding criminal complaints.
Under statute they ought to be deported but this
administration doesn't do deportations.

They never spent a night in jail (I have, several times, for
a lot less; I have never struck a police officer, and do not
intend to do so). They are now your problem, Mr Kunich, as
they bugged out to your sanctuary State. Anyone want to bet
on their appearance in court on the police assault charges
in NYC?

Meanwhile, where things go bad enough, policy changed:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/el-salvadoran-president-coolly-brushes-off-ilhan-omars-election-meddling-then-flips-her-critique

Astute readers of news may remember that the turning point
was when Mr Bukele told police to jail anyone with gang
tattoos on his face:

https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/04/27/Copy-of-Virus_Outbreak_El_Salvador_10560.jpg-587df-1587981562702_171bb13b350_original-ratio.jpg

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230226031803-01-el-salvador-prisoner-transfer-022423.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_720,w_1280,c_fill

After which the murder rate dropped from 51 per 100K to 7.8.

(compare with Chicago, which hovers around 30. US overall
from under 5 in 2018, 2019 to about seven now).

Abrogation of due process? Probably. Support of the
citizenry? Absolutely. In any society, most people are not
criminals, they are prey. And they know it.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/1/2024 9:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Astute readers of news may remember that the turning point was when Mr
> Bukele told police to jail anyone with gang tattoos on his face:
>
> https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/04/27/Copy-of-Virus_Outbreak_El_Salvador_10560.jpg-587df-1587981562702_171bb13b350_original-ratio.jpg
>
> https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230226031803-01-el-salvador-prisoner-transfer-022423.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_720,w_1280,c_fill
>
>
> After which the murder rate dropped from 51 per 100K to 7.8.

Interesting. Do you suppose that strategy would work for the U.S.?

I have no tattoos, so anti-tattoo laws wouldn't affect me.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 9:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> Astute readers of news may remember that the turning point was when Mr
>> Bukele told police to jail anyone with gang tattoos on his face:
>>
>> https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/04/27/Copy-of-Virus_Outbreak_El_Salvador_10560.jpg-587df-1587981562702_171bb13b350_original-ratio.jpg
>>
>> https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230226031803-01-el-salvador-prisoner-transfer-022423.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_720,w_1280,c_fill
>>
>>
>> After which the murder rate dropped from 51 per 100K to 7.8.
>
> Interesting. Do you suppose that strategy would work for the U.S.?
>
> I have no tattoos, so anti-tattoo laws wouldn't affect me.
>

I guess it was the gang tattoos than tattoos in general.

As ever show me simple solutions to complex problem and it will be wholly
wrong comes to mind.

Roger Merriman

On 2/1/2024 9:31 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 9:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> Astute readers of news may remember that the turning point
>> was when Mr Bukele told police to jail anyone with gang
>> tattoos on his face:
>>
>> https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/04/27/Copy-of-Virus_Outbreak_El_Salvador_10560.jpg-587df-1587981562702_171bb13b350_original-ratio.jpg
>>
>> https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230226031803-01-el-salvador-prisoner-transfer-022423.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_720,w_1280,c_fill
>>
>>
>> After which the murder rate dropped from 51 per 100K to 7.8.
>
> Interesting. Do you suppose that strategy would work for the
> U.S.?
>
> I have no tattoos, so anti-tattoo laws wouldn't affect me.
>

We don't summarily imprison people without trial. Which is
good policy, IMHO. Magic spells for policy are in short
supply while the current practices deteriorate from prior
policies.

That said, this guy as so many others was out and about,
"...Adams had 32 contacts with the judicial system over the
years — including 11 assaults and 13 convictions. The judge
called Adams extraordinarily dangerous..." including beating
his own father to a broken hip.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/thug-who-beat-elderly-woman-so-badly-that-she-cant-walk-speak-or-recognize-her-husband-of-more-than-50-years-is-sentenced

a more sterile report:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen

a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will
show this is more typical than unusual.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> a more sterile report:
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
>
> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this is
> more typical than unusual.

You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
some instances if one digs deeply enough."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/2/2024 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> a more sterile report:
>> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
>>
>> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will
>> show this is more typical than unusual.
>
> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me,
> "typical" means something like "happens to most people." It
> doesn't mean "one can find some instances if one digs deeply
> enough."
>

Maybe I should clarify .
I did not mean, "Your average USAian is
assaulted/robbed/raped/killed every evening."

I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with
priors who are out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a
'disorderly conduct' after a stabbing or shooting, out after
reduced sentence release or have outstanding warrants etc.
Guys who would be incarcerated until present policies swept
the nation.

Here are the first few of today's overnight all stars:

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/chicago-man-attack-service-station-attendant-electronic-monitoring.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/robbery-spree-suspect-released-on-electronic-monitoring-chicago.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/chicago-man-abducted-woman-in-november-made-her-work-as-a-prostitute-until-cops-rescued-her-this-week-prosecutors.html
(salient point not in headline. See last two paragraphs)

[#4 is about merchants installing rows of bollards to thwart
car-through-glass break ins/robberies]

then #5 today:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/02/man-shot-by-chicago-police-sentenced-to-four-years.html
(salient point not in headline. See last two paragraphs)

Or pick a different day or a different city.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/2/2024 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> a more sterile report:
>>> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
>>>
>>> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this
>>> is more typical than unusual.
>>
>> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
>> something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
>> some instances if one digs deeply enough."
>>
>
> Maybe I should clarify .
> I did not mean, "Your average USAian is assaulted/robbed/raped/killed
> every evening."
>
> I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with priors who are
> out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a 'disorderly conduct' after
> a stabbing or shooting, out after reduced sentence release or have
> outstanding warrants etc. Guys who would be incarcerated until present
> policies swept the nation.

Well, whatever policies are in place were chosen for some reasons. In my
area, there have been times when perps were not jailed because there was
insufficient jail space. Building jails requires money, and money
requires taxes.

I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
Apparently many other countries get better results using different
strategies.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu Feb 1 16:50:09 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/1/2024 3:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 15:09:20 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/1/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> They found my oldest stepdaughter's car in Blithe on the Arizona border. Condition is unknown but the driver was arrested. The Dealer insurance will tow it back here (Fremont), inspect and completely reservice the it.
> >>
> >> Bad move on his part. Arizona prosecutes criminals.
> >
> > Blythe is in California.
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blythe,_California>
> > California protects its criminals.
> >
>
> Thanks I misunderstood that.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

Now get this - the DEALER that allowed the car to be stolen claims that the eldest has top retreive the car herself so that they can service the car!

On Fri Feb 2 11:10:44 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > a more sterile report:
> > https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
> >
> > a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this is
> > more typical than unusual.
>
> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
> something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
> some instances if one digs deeply enough."
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

The typical Krygowski answer. "It doesn't happen here in Poland so it doesn't happen". The very fact that there are TikTok dares to see how many cars people can steal in one night makes Krygowski's claims look silly.

On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2024 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/2/2024 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> a more sterile report:
> >>> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
> >>>
> >>> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this
> >>> is more typical than unusual.
> >>
> >> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
> >> something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
> >> some instances if one digs deeply enough."
> >>
> >
> > Maybe I should clarify .
> > I did not mean, "Your average USAian is assaulted/robbed/raped/killed
> > every evening."
> >
> > I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with priors who are
> > out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a 'disorderly conduct' after
> > a stabbing or shooting, out after reduced sentence release or have
> > outstanding warrants etc. Guys who would be incarcerated until present
> > policies swept the nation.
>
> Well, whatever policies are in place were chosen for some reasons. In my
> area, there have been times when perps were not jailed because there was
> insufficient jail space. Building jails requires money, and money
> requires taxes.
>
> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
> strategies.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

I can hardly wait to hear your story when that insufficient jail space ends up with your own assault.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:52:49 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 2/2/2024 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> a more sterile report:
>> >>> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
>> >>>
>> >>> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this
>> >>> is more typical than unusual.
>> >>
>> >> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
>> >> something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
>> >> some instances if one digs deeply enough."
>> >>
>> >
>> > Maybe I should clarify .
>> > I did not mean, "Your average USAian is assaulted/robbed/raped/killed
>> > every evening."
>> >
>> > I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with priors who are
>> > out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a 'disorderly conduct' after
>> > a stabbing or shooting, out after reduced sentence release or have
>> > outstanding warrants etc. Guys who would be incarcerated until present
>> > policies swept the nation.
>>
>> Well, whatever policies are in place were chosen for some reasons. In my
>> area, there have been times when perps were not jailed because there was
>> insufficient jail space. Building jails requires money, and money
>> requires taxes.
>>
>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
>> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
>> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
>> strategies.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>
>
>
>I can hardly wait to hear your story when that insufficient jail space ends up with your own assault.

I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:52:49 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2024 11:27 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > On 2/2/2024 10:10 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> On 2/2/2024 9:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> a more sterile report:
> >> >>> https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/district-man-sentenced-eight-years-prison-aggravated-assault-senior-citizen
> >> >>>
> >> >>> a brief perusal of overnight news, anywhere, any day, will show this
> >> >>> is more typical than unusual.
> >> >>
> >> >> You and I disagree fundamentally on that point. To me, "typical" means
> >> >> something like "happens to most people." It doesn't mean "one can find
> >> >> some instances if one digs deeply enough."
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Maybe I should clarify .
> >> > I did not mean, "Your average USAian is assaulted/robbed/raped/killed
> >> > every evening."
> >> >
> >> > I meant the most vicious of those crimes are by guys with priors who are
> >> > out either on 'no cash bail' or pleaded to a 'disorderly conduct' after
> >> > a stabbing or shooting, out after reduced sentence release or have
> >> > outstanding warrants etc. Guys who would be incarcerated until present
> >> > policies swept the nation.
> >>
> >> Well, whatever policies are in place were chosen for some reasons. In my
> >> area, there have been times when perps were not jailed because there was
> >> insufficient jail space. Building jails requires money, and money
> >> requires taxes.
> >>
> >> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
> >> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
> >> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
> >> strategies.
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >I can hardly wait to hear your story when that insufficient jail space ends up with your own assault.
> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

When you can simply take what you want from people weaker than you there is no limit to the numbers of criminals that will breed.

On 2/20/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>> On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
>>> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
>>> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
>>> strategies.
>
> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?

I'm sure I've thought about this more than you, John.

Did you ever ask "_Why_ would the U.S. have so many more criminals than
comparable nations? And what could be done to improve that situation?"

For a fairly simple comparison, I'd look at data for the two sides of
the U.S./Canada border. The human beings on the two sides are not
different species. But both crime rates and incarceration rates are far,
far better in Canada. Ditto for most European countries.

One thing seems sure: America incarcerating a record proportion of its
citizens is _not_ making it into a low crime country. So at what point
should we look at alternative solutions?

"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a
definition of insanity."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:04:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
>>>> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
>>>> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
>>>> strategies.
>>
>> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
>> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?
>
>I'm sure I've thought about this more than you, John.
>
>Did you ever ask "_Why_ would the U.S. have so many more criminals than
>comparable nations? And what could be done to improve that situation?"
>
>For a fairly simple comparison, I'd look at data for the two sides of
>the U.S./Canada border. The human beings on the two sides are not
>different species. But both crime rates and incarceration rates are far,
>far better in Canada. Ditto for most European countries.
>
>One thing seems sure: America incarcerating a record proportion of its
>citizens is _not_ making it into a low crime country. So at what point
>should we look at alternative solutions?
>
>"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a
>definition of insanity."

One reason is that the USA has had a government policy of paying women
to have babies and paying them more if the kick any adult males out of
their home.

In spite of all the hype about how terrible we heterosexual males are
(especially "white" heterosexual "biological" males), having fathers
in the home is an important part of raising children.

On 2/21/2024 3:04 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:04:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
>>>>> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
>>>>> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
>>>>> strategies.
>>>
>>> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
>>> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?
>>
>> I'm sure I've thought about this more than you, John.
>>
>> Did you ever ask "_Why_ would the U.S. have so many more criminals than
>> comparable nations? And what could be done to improve that situation?"
>>
>> For a fairly simple comparison, I'd look at data for the two sides of
>> the U.S./Canada border. The human beings on the two sides are not
>> different species. But both crime rates and incarceration rates are far,
>> far better in Canada. Ditto for most European countries.
>>
>> One thing seems sure: America incarcerating a record proportion of its
>> citizens is _not_ making it into a low crime country. So at what point
>> should we look at alternative solutions?
>>
>> "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a
>> definition of insanity."
>
> One reason is that the USA has had a government policy of paying women
> to have babies and paying them more if the kick any adult males out of
> their home.

wow...talk about straw men.....OF course we should expect that a proudly
and willfully ignorant dumbass from the dumbshine state would parrot
right-wing pabulum from his masters

>
> In spite of all the hype about how terrible we heterosexual males are
> (especially "white" heterosexual "biological" males),

aww....is the poor wittle tricycle rider being victimized again?

> having fathers
> in the home is an important part of raising children.

True, but the false narrative that the US government is paying women to
have babies and paying them more if adult mares are kicked out of the
home is really, really, fucking stupid, but par for the dumbass course.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 03:04:57 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 22:04:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/20/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person. But the U.S.
>>>>> already sets records among prosperous countries for incarceration.
>>>>> Apparently many other countries get better results using different
>>>>> strategies.
>>>
>>> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the reason the U.S.
>>> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many criminals?
>>
>>I'm sure I've thought about this more than you, John.
>>
>>Did you ever ask "_Why_ would the U.S. have so many more criminals than
>>comparable nations? And what could be done to improve that situation?"
>>
>>For a fairly simple comparison, I'd look at data for the two sides of
>>the U.S./Canada border. The human beings on the two sides are not
>>different species. But both crime rates and incarceration rates are far,
>>far better in Canada. Ditto for most European countries.
>>
>>One thing seems sure: America incarcerating a record proportion of its
>>citizens is _not_ making it into a low crime country. So at what point
>>should we look at alternative solutions?
>>
>>"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a
>>definition of insanity."
>
>One reason is that the USA has had a government policy of paying women
>to have babies and paying them more if the kick any adult males out of
>their home.
>
>In spite of all the hype about how terrible we heterosexual males are
>(especially "white" heterosexual "biological" males), having fathers
>in the home is an important part of raising children.

I don't know about kicking men out of the house but I do know that
when I was stationed at Bangor Maine - about 1960, or so, an unmarried
woman with 3 children had enough free cash to buy her boy friend all
the beer he cold drink.

But Frank gets it wrong. The purpose of imprisonment is to penalize
the criminal. Not to increase or decrease prison inhabitants.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ranking/murder-homicide-rate

Murder Rate- Canada (2017) 1.819
U.S. - 5.244

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/20/2024 9:04 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/20/2024 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri Feb 2 12:03:13 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not condoning every release of every accused person.
>>>> But the U.S.
>>>> already sets records among prosperous countries for
>>>> incarceration.
>>>> Apparently many other countries get better results using
>>>> different
>>>> strategies.
>>
>> I( wonder... did Frank ever stop to think. Perhaps the
>> reason the U.S.
>> has so many incarcerated is because they have so many
>> criminals?
>
> I'm sure I've thought about this more than you, John.
>
> Did you ever ask "_Why_ would the U.S. have so many more
> criminals than comparable nations? And what could be done to
> improve that situation?"
>
> For a fairly simple comparison, I'd look at data for the two
> sides of the U.S./Canada border. The human beings on the two
> sides are not different species. But both crime rates and
> incarceration rates are far, far better in Canada. Ditto for
> most European countries.
>
> One thing seems sure: America incarcerating a record
> proportion of its citizens is _not_ making it into a low
> crime country. So at what point should we look at
> alternative solutions?
>
> "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
> results is a definition of insanity."
>

Mugging and robbery victims see the problem differently. As
do survivors of those killed.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971