My step children mostly went through religious/Private schools and two of them have PdD's and the other two are running a department store and running a legal office for the largest hospital in the state.

Alex, the boy, is a section manager for a large aerospace company in San Diego.

I just watched a podcast of a man saying that you should NOT put your children through public schools because they learn little to nothing and are propagandized by the likes of you. While you have argued that you haven't said it most of the people here have seen your messages pushing socialism as if that was something that has ever worked. So it is clearly something you believe in.

I also watched an interview on TV of a department of education official saying that they simply cannot get quality teachers and end up with people trying to teach things that they don't understand.

My wife spend most of her life teaching in religious schools and after the pandemic the three grandchildren were measure at 2 YEARS behind in reading and in three months brought them up to A+ average students. So there is something to that.

Now while we had our differences about the value of teachers, I have said and I believe that while teachers are important there is more than one way to get educated. This appears to be where we part ways in our understanding of the world.

I agree that you are more likely to gain a wider understanding of things if you go to a GOOD college, there are few of these so a graduate is still left learning the breadth and width of his education by himself anyway. And the statistics back that up entirely.

So: to the question: Do you believe that parents are better educating their children at religious or private schools or even at home over public schools that are likely to be too politicized?

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 3:04:25 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> My step children mostly went through religious/Private schools and two of them have PdD's and the other two are running a department store and running a legal office for the largest hospital in the state.
>
> Alex, the boy, is a section manager for a large aerospace company in San Diego.
>
> I just watched a podcast of a man saying that you should NOT put your children through public schools because they learn little to nothing and are propagandized by the likes of you. While you have argued that you haven't said it most of the people here have seen your messages pushing socialism as if that was something that has ever worked. So it is clearly something you believe in.
>
> I also watched an interview on TV of a department of education official saying that they simply cannot get quality teachers and end up with people trying to teach things that they don't understand.
>
> My wife spend most of her life teaching in religious schools and after the pandemic the three grandchildren were measure at 2 YEARS behind in reading and in three months brought them up to A+ average students. So there is something to that.
>
> Now while we had our differences about the value of teachers, I have said and I believe that while teachers are important there is more than one way to get educated. This appears to be where we part ways in our understanding of the world.
>
> I agree that you are more likely to gain a wider understanding of things if you go to a GOOD college, there are few of these so a graduate is still left learning the breadth and width of his education by himself anyway. And the statistics back that up entirely.
>
> So: to the question: Do you believe that parents are better educating their children at religious or private schools or even at home over public schools that are likely to be too politicized?

It appears that Krygowski doesn't want to face the facts that a college education needn't give you ONE THING. 80% of all college educated people don't work in their majors for one single day of their employment careers. Is the because they simply aren't trained properly? Or maybe as high school graduates they simply aren't qualified to chose their own career path? My middle step-daughter has a master's in music and could play concert piano. But there is perhaps 2000 such positions in the world for that level of pianist. So she got her PhD in physical therapy and was offered a dozen positions before she actually graduated and after she graduated was offered several teaching positions. This suggests that competent people are in such demand that schools will even accept the incompetent as teachers.

https://edsource.org/2022/nearly-one-out-of-five-classes-in-california-taught-by-under-prepared-teachers/674906

Considering Krygowski's silence on the matter is this a similar case to his?

I only say these things because of his insistence that if you don't get a degree you're not educated. That is a fallacy so common that people like Frank have been able to convince people that it is true. Obama as President made this claim with a great deal more convincing style when his "education" is nearly impossible to find. (What the hell is "community organizing"?)

On 2/3/2024 9:15 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I only say these things because of [Frank's] insistence that if you don't get a degree you're not educated.

Nope. I've never said that. There is such a thing as an autodidact, and
I believe we have at least one posting here.

But there are problems with that strategy, i.e. with learning (entirely)
on one's own. One is that there are likely to be huge gaps in one's
knowledge. That's because an uneducated person is very unlikely to be
able to grasp what knowledge is really valuable and what is just a cute
diversion. That's especially true with topics that are complex, where
foundational knowledge is necessary to understand more specialized
topics. As in "I don't want to study mechanism theory! I just want to
learn how to design an industrial robot!" or "I don't want to learn
European history! I just want to learn about World War II!"

But a much greater problem is that people learning on their own usually
have very, very easy graders for their "teachers." Good examples might
be a guy who programmed some simple motion control inside a
self-contained desktop device, and who then said "See? I'm an electrical
engineer!!" or a person who built a simple spreadsheet and said "See?
I'm a programmer!!"

Getting a good college education (or even a good high school education)
should involve countless hours of laborious study, with a curriculum
developed and monitored by experts in education who have deep knowledge
of the subject matter. It should involve difficult tests and high
grading standards. A self-study guy who gives himself all "A" grades
doesn't qualify.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 11:15:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/3/2024 9:15 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> I only say these things because of [Frank's] insistence that if you don't get a degree you're not educated.
>
>Nope. I've never said that. There is such a thing as an autodidact, and
>I believe we have at least one posting here.
>
>But there are problems with that strategy, i.e. with learning (entirely)
>on one's own. One is that there are likely to be huge gaps in one's
>knowledge. That's because an uneducated person is very unlikely to be
>able to grasp what knowledge is really valuable and what is just a cute
>diversion. That's especially true with topics that are complex, where
>foundational knowledge is necessary to understand more specialized
>topics. As in "I don't want to study mechanism theory! I just want to
>learn how to design an industrial robot!" or "I don't want to learn
>European history! I just want to learn about World War II!"
>
>But a much greater problem is that people learning on their own usually
>have very, very easy graders for their "teachers." Good examples might
>be a guy who programmed some simple motion control inside a
>self-contained desktop device, and who then said "See? I'm an electrical
>engineer!!" or a person who built a simple spreadsheet and said "See?
>I'm a programmer!!"
>
>Getting a good college education (or even a good high school education)
>should involve countless hours of laborious study, with a curriculum
>developed and monitored by experts in education who have deep knowledge
>of the subject matter. It should involve difficult tests and high
>grading standards. A self-study guy who gives himself all "A" grades
>doesn't qualify.

what a person does with his education is what does count....

Krygowski is a guy who got a led_by_the_hand college education and
never accomplished anything significant beyond his job.

Seriously, knowing how to ride a bicycle is not a significant
accomplishment..

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 10:32:25 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 11:15:13 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/3/2024 9:15 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >> I only say these things because of [Frank's] insistence that if you don't get a degree you're not educated.
> >
> >Nope. I've never said that. There is such a thing as an autodidact, and
> >I believe we have at least one posting here.
> >
> >But there are problems with that strategy, i.e. with learning (entirely)
> >on one's own. One is that there are likely to be huge gaps in one's
> >knowledge. That's because an uneducated person is very unlikely to be
> >able to grasp what knowledge is really valuable and what is just a cute
> >diversion. That's especially true with topics that are complex, where
> >foundational knowledge is necessary to understand more specialized
> >topics. As in "I don't want to study mechanism theory! I just want to
> >learn how to design an industrial robot!" or "I don't want to learn
> >European history! I just want to learn about World War II!"
> >
> >But a much greater problem is that people learning on their own usually
> >have very, very easy graders for their "teachers." Good examples might
> >be a guy who programmed some simple motion control inside a
> >self-contained desktop device, and who then said "See? I'm an electrical
> >engineer!!" or a person who built a simple spreadsheet and said "See?
> >I'm a programmer!!"
> >
> >Getting a good college education (or even a good high school education)
> >should involve countless hours of laborious study, with a curriculum
> >developed and monitored by experts in education who have deep knowledge
> >of the subject matter. It should involve difficult tests and high
> >grading standards. A self-study guy who gives himself all "A" grades
> >doesn't qualify.
> what a person does with his education is what does count....
>
> Krygowski is a guy who got a led_by_the_hand college education and
> never accomplished anything significant beyond his job.
>
> Seriously, knowing how to ride a bicycle is not a significant
> accomplishment..

That is correct but Frank doesn't know it. Or he simply discounts it.

I had such large gaps in my education that I had PhD engineers, assigning me to PhD level projects. Did I have gaps in my education. Who doesn't? Frank would have you believe that he doesn't have any gaps in his. Two PhD's working for the government made the huge mistake on giving me the incorrect formula for how the poison gas detector sensor was supposed to work and I had the ability to pull out a textbook on calculus and check their work showing a gapping error. As we are all aware, Krygowski's calculus is faultless. Flunky thinks that reading out two public libraries and one school library worth of non-fiction books is worthless. That it couldn't possibly teach you as much that he worked so hard for his BS EE.

Unfortunately for Krygowski the gaps in my education were few and far between which drives him crazy thinking how much money I was making as an engineer and how little he made as a teacher. The only thing he can do is deny it.. That's as bad as Liebermann saying that I couldn't have been waiting 5 minutes at a stop light and then after I explained how I could EASILY wait more than 5 minutes at the Hegenberger interchange for the new OAK terminal he said, "oh he never said that you couldn't be delayed that long, he only quoted the traffic code saying how long a traffic light could last." He was just simply missing the small information that there were long lights in four directions. Actually he did claim that I didn't lose 5 minutes at that light and was trying to excuse his stupid mistake.

I am the one that suggested that a self taught engineer could have gaps, because working as an engineer I had to face them all of the time. For that NASA job I had to write a 1600 page manual with no errors in it. Writers with a degree in English have trouble doing that and they have this large system of editors to check the spelling, grammar and subjects. Andre could tell you about that but he is another of those disliked because he was successful and most people envisioned themselves rich and famous and never made it past mediocre and poorly paid.

I knew HOW to fill in the gaps and that is why I was so highly paid and Liebermann was straining to replace ink jet Printer cartridges.

On 2/3/2024 4:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I had such large gaps in my education that I had PhD engineers, assigning me to PhD level projects.

Please tell us exactly what those projects were. Give lots of detail,
please, and show us your work.

I suspect you have no idea what "PhD level" means.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 23:10:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/3/2024 4:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> I had such large gaps in my education that I had PhD engineers, assigning me to PhD level projects.
>
>Please tell us exactly what those projects were. Give lots of detail,
>please, and show us your work.

Another Krygowski demand for personal information. He doesn't want to
discuss the issue, he wants argue about your opinions.

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 2:01:14 AM UTC-8, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 23:10:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/3/2024 4:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >> I had such large gaps in my education that I had PhD engineers, assigning me to PhD level projects.
> >
> >Please tell us exactly what those projects were. Give lots of detail,
> >please, and show us your work.
> Another Krygowski demand for personal information. He doesn't want to
> discuss the issue, he wants argue about your opinions.
Frank has been a useful idiot his entire life and continues on. He wishes so much to be a member of the elite that he will deny entrance to that class to others he deems "unworthy".

Frank, no one gives a damn what you think. I am wealthy and by the end of the year, Jellen will turn you into poverty stricken.

On Sat Feb 3 23:10:34 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/3/2024 4:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > I had such large gaps in my education that I had PhD engineers, assigning me to PhD level projects.
>
> Please tell us exactly what those projects were. Give lots of detail,
> please, and show us your work.
>
> I suspect you have no idea what "PhD level" means.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

I already explained many such projects. The poison gas detector for the Army was one such project.

As for "show your worki" You stupid SOB, you do not have the ability to check my worki. You are not in the same category. I worked on secret projects at Samdia Laboratories and they are none of your business. I was hired by Sun Microsystems because THEY didn't have people who could accomplish it. But I give you permission to continue pretending that you're and engineer because you taught it rather than actually working as one.

On 2/20/2024 1:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> As for "show your worki" You stupid SOB, you do not have the ability to check my worki.

:-) I can certainly check your spelling!

> I worked on secret projects at Samdia Laboratories and they are none of your business.

Wow! Samdia Laboratories! That place _is_ secret! So secret it doesn't
exist! :-)

> I was hired by Sun Microsystems because THEY didn't have people who could accomplish it.

Accomplish what?

Tom, I'll give you this: You have a very active fantasy life.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 18:33:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I worked on secret projects at Samdia Laboratories and they are none of your business.

It's Sandia National Laboratories. You really should try to remember
how to spell your former employers full company names:
<https://www.sandia.gov>

>I was hired by Sun Microsystems because THEY didn't have people who could accomplish it.

Thanks. I'll add Sun to the growing list of companies where you
probably were not employed:
ETEC, NASA, Analog Devices, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, etc.

What year(s) did you work for Sun Micro? I don't think there are any
more spaces between jobs available on your resume. It had to have
been before 2009, when Oracle bought Sun Micro.

Drivel: You might find this video of interest:
"Why It Was Almost Impossible to Make the Blue LED"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF8d72mA41M> (33:44)
For you the story is not about the invention of the blue (and later
white) LED, but rather what Shuji Nakamura, one of the inventors, had
to tolerate because he didn't have a PHD degree.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558