On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 18:00:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:31:20 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>> timid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>
>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>
>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>> either way.
>>>
>>>Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>
>>>A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>person.
>>>
>>>He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>guns.
>>
>>Many veterans carry a gun.
>
>I came across something today that may serve to explain Frankie's
>animosity.
>
>The Internet has "Frank Krygowski, residing at "29 Ohio Ave, Poland,
>OH 44514, Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage,
>Three bedrooms, One bathroom, Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size -
>1,304 sqft.
>https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>And in a separate address I find,
> 29 Ohio Ave, Poland, OH 44514
> Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage
> Three bedrooms, One bathroom
> Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size - 1,304 sqft
>Estimated value $182,700
>https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/29-Ohio-Ave_Poland_OH_44514_M31867-76359
>
>Then we have our very own Tom Kunich
>Thomas H Kunich, Born: Oct 1944
>3539 Monterey Blvd
>San Leandro CA94578
>https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>3 Bed rooms. 2 baths. 1454 sq ft.
>Current valued at $925,750
>
>Can it be that Frank's animosity lies not with his superior
>intelligence - after all he was a school teacher - but that after a
>lifetime of labor his assets are only 1/5th the value of Tom's.
>
>Think of it. Years of insults, snide remarks, lies and slander... due
>solely to jealousy.

I think Jealousy is behind much of his remarks. It's pretty sad when
all he has brag about is to claim some unknown persons said he knew
what he was talking about.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:21:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 9:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/1/2024 9:41 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> But aside from that incident, can you tell us about all the other
>>> times you used a gun as a civilian to protect yourself from sudden
>>> attacks? How many times have your guns saved your life? This is your
>>> chance to brag!
>>>
>>> Again, for me and for everyone I know, the answer is zero.
>>>
>>
>>
>> As above, "Frank's rational seems to be that because I was unable to
>> defend myself in that one specific incident I would be unable to defend
>> my self in any future incident."
>
>Andrew, you too can demonstrate the validity of carrying a gun for
>protection. How often have you used it that way? What were the details?
>
>ISTM this is the way we evaluate most things in (say) our bike bags, or
>in our pockets when we walk. For example, as a novice cyclist, it was my
>first ride out into a rural Sunday countryside that taught me I should
>have had a pump and patch kit. I've used those items hundreds of times
>since, so they're obviously worth carrying. But I don't ride with tools
>to overhaul my bottom bracket, even though bottom brackets sometimes go
>bad. I've never needed those tools on the road and doubt I ever will, so
>I don't carry them.
>
>I've shot guns for fun, but I've never come close to needing one for
>"protection" so I don't carry one.

So what are your plans if someone does attack you riding your bike?
How about on your tandem with your wife?

>What are your actual experiences with yours?

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 12:54:31 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:42:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 00:47:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/1/2024 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>>>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>>>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>>>>>>> either way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>>>>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>>>>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>>>>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>>>>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>>>>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They may well know things others do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US ex military might well like guns though that?s not generally the case in
>>>>>> uk ie guns are used for purpose and post military duty doesn?t seem to be a
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kinda unlikely it?s a logical thing, realistically if somewhere is risky
>>>>>> enough that you need a gun? Probably unwise to go there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the Americans on YouTube and socials who will discuss all sorts of kit,
>>>>>> carrying guns aren?t one of them, yes Americans are into guns in huge way
>>>>>> but this seems to suggest that CatTrike is something of outlier even there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "all sorts of kit, carrying guns aren?t one of them"
>>>>>
>>>>> Unclear. IME most firearms owners, including carry, are wan
>>>>> to discuss the matter. For good reason I might add:
>>>>
>>>> Seems unlikely with the lack of general kit to carry guns, I?m unconvinced
>>>> if was a cool bit of kit it wouldn?t be covered I?ve seen bear spray and
>>>> even fishing kit discussed, and are ransoms on the internet who as ever you
>>>> name it have made a video/comments on how do x or y.
>>>
>>> ?????????????????????????
>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&q=concealed+carry+equipment
>>> About 23,400,000 results (0.50 seconds)
>>>
>>> Add to that many "concealed carry" firearms fit easily into pants
>>> pockets and/or hand bags :=)
>>
>> I fashioned a device out of a bottle cage and PVC tube to carry my
>> Bersa .380 in it's kydex holster.
>>
>Which is kinda my point I don’t doubt that some do, but that folks such as
>your self have custom made a holder. Not going to find such stuff in a bike
>shop and so on.
>
>Can’t imagine it being comfortable in one’s belt cycling as suggested for
>more than a very short ride or similar.
>
>Can’t imagine your that bothered by doing your own thing.
>
>Roger Merriman

Well, you could buy a shoulder holster... from the walking around
equipment selling folks, or a conventional hip holster and just twist
the belt around so the holster is hanging at your back. The point is
that you really don't need anything unusual to carry a gun on a bike.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:40:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 6:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:31:20 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>> either way.
>>>>
>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>
>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>> guns.
>>>
>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>
>> I came across something today that may serve to explain Frankie's
>> animosity.
>>
>> The Internet has "Frank Krygowski, residing at "29 Ohio Ave, Poland,
>> OH 44514, Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage,
>> Three bedrooms, One bathroom, Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size -
>> 1,304 sqft.
>> https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>> And in a separate address I find,
>> 29 Ohio Ave, Poland, OH 44514
>> Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage
>> Three bedrooms, One bathroom
>> Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size - 1,304 sqft
>> Estimated value $182,700
>> https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/29-Ohio-Ave_Poland_OH_44514_M31867-76359
>>
>> Then we have our very own Tom Kunich
>> Thomas H Kunich, Born: Oct 1944
>> 3539 Monterey Blvd
>> San Leandro CA94578
>> https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>> 3 Bed rooms. 2 baths. 1454 sq ft.
>> Current valued at $925,750
>>
>> Can it be that Frank's animosity lies not with his superior
>> intelligence - after all he was a school teacher - but that after a
>> lifetime of labor his assets are only 1/5th the value of Tom's.
>>
>> Think of it. Years of insults, snide remarks, lies and slander... due
>> solely to jealousy.
>
>John, that's really weird. You're one step away from stalking.

IS that any worse than demanding that others disclose personal
information?

"How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
friends on road rides? How many times have you organized and run
multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?"

Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
courage and experience really are more than mine."
- Frank Krygowski

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:48:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 6:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did reference that there are randoms on who apparently do carry
>>>>> guns, and
>>>>> can get kit to carry from places but it?s noticeable absent from
>>>>> cycling
>>>>> media in general and folks who make cycling kit or bikes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which if there was a market for they would be covering.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> One could but certainly with most cycling kit it’s intended with stretch
>>> even MTB baggy stuff, so is likely to be frankly annoying as the weight
>>> would make the clothes drag.
>>>
>>> I could with the commute bike as has bags and what not, for roadies and
>>> even MTB space is a premium.
>>>
>>> Regardless it doesn’t seem to be a thing even in America guns are
>>> noticeably absent.
>>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>> Not in London.
>>
>> https://store.bicycle-evolution.com/bikase-guncase-holster.html
>
>Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>
>And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>obviously includes the current contributors.

I don't know why that *triggers* you so, but I'm kind of happy that it
does.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:19:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 6:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did reference that there are randoms on who apparently do carry
>>>>>> guns, and
>>>>>> can get kit to carry from places but it?s noticeable absent from
>>>>>> cycling
>>>>>> media in general and folks who make cycling kit or bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which if there was a market for they would be covering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> One could but certainly with most cycling kit it’s intended with stretch
>>>> even MTB baggy stuff, so is likely to be frankly annoying as the weight
>>>> would make the clothes drag.
>>>>
>>>> I could with the commute bike as has bags and what not, for roadies and
>>>> even MTB space is a premium.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless it doesn’t seem to be a thing even in America guns are
>>>> noticeably absent.
>>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not in London.
>>>
>>> https://store.bicycle-evolution.com/bikase-guncase-holster.html
>>
>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>
>Indeed finding that some random has done it doesn’t mean it’s universally
>done.
>>
>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>>
>
>It’s not mentioned as stuff to carry as yes some folks will list what and
>how they carry stuff which isn’t the most interesting YouTube/article to be
>honest but there you go.
>
>Just means I’m likewise highly sceptical that most, even Americans are
>carrying guns on there persons or on the bike.
>
>And likewise unconvinced that they are embarrassed to say they are or
>similar.
>
>Roger Merriman

For most pro-gun people it's not a big deal. I certainly didn't until
*someone* got triggered by my casual mention of it. Lots of bicyclists
carry a tire pump and patches, but don't talk about it unless someone
brings it up.

On 2/2/2024 6:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:48:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>>
>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>
> I don't know why that *triggers* you so, but I'm kind of happy that it
> does.

:-) This old guy needs to find a better definition of "triggered," as
well as "narcissist" and many other words he misuses. A better education
might have helped!

As a major clue: If a person is laughing, he doesn't qualify as
"triggered."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/2/2024 4:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:31:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/2/2024 10:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 8:22 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Krygowski has not yet explained what he plans on doing if someone does
>>>> attack him on his bike, or how he'd deal with someone attempting to
>>>> break into his home, or a carjack attempt.
>>
>> :-) AND WHAT IF A METEORITE AIMS FOR MY HOUSE? WHAT IF THE EARTH
>> SWALLOWS IT DURING AN EARTHQUAKE?
>>
>> "Worst Case Scenario" is such a fun game! :-) Except it's really scary
>> for timid people.
>>
>>>
>>> We each make our own risk assessment.
>>>
>>> For Mr Krygowski in Poland OH, mugging or robbery of cyclists is
>>> actuarially improbable.
>>
>> I've avoided mugging and robbery while riding in 47 states so far, plus
>> about ten other countries. (I keep losing count.) I've avoided mugging
>> and robbery while riding in Baltimore, DC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, LA,
>> San Francisco, Portland, Columbus, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Oklahoma
>> City, Atlanta, Des Moines, Indianapolis, Nashville and countless other
>> cities.
>
> I assume none of the people who have been attacked expected it. What
> are your plans if it happens to you?

On that point, one thinks naturally of Daniel Parmenter,
whose lawfully owned pistol was locked in his car because
Northern Illinois University is a firearm free zone.

On Valentine's day 2008, a homicidal maniac calmly walked to
the front of a lecture hall and began killing people,
including Mr Parmenter. No one returned fire to stop the threat.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:25:53 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:01:01?PM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:31:20 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>> <Sol...@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> ><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>> >>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>> >>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>> >>>> timid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>> >>>
>> >>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>> >>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>> >>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>> >>> either way.
>> >>
>> >>Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>> >>we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>> >>unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>> >>Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>> >>sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>> >>
>> >>A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>> >>a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>> >>person.
>> >>
>> >>He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>> >>guns.
>> >
>> >Many veterans carry a gun.
>> I came across something today that may serve to explain Frankie's
>> animosity.
>>
>> The Internet has "Frank Krygowski, residing at "29 Ohio Ave, Poland,
>> OH 44514, Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage,
>> Three bedrooms, One bathroom, Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size -
>> 1,304 sqft.
>> https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>> And in a separate address I find,
>> 29 Ohio Ave, Poland, OH 44514
>> Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage
>> Three bedrooms, One bathroom
>> Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size - 1,304 sqft
>> Estimated value $182,700
>> https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/29-Ohio-Ave_Poland_OH_44514_M31867-76359
>>
>> Then we have our very own Tom Kunich
>> Thomas H Kunich, Born: Oct 1944
>> 3539 Monterey Blvd
>> San Leandro CA94578
>> https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>> 3 Bed rooms. 2 baths. 1454 sq ft.
>> Current valued at $925,750
>>
>> Can it be that Frank's animosity lies not with his superior
>> intelligence - after all he was a school teacher - but that after a
>> lifetime of labor his assets are only 1/5th the value of Tom's.
>>
>> Think of it. Years of insults, snide remarks, lies and slander... due
>> solely to jealousy.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>What is the matter with you? Idiot.
>
>Lou

Well, look at the current insults aimed at the Trike guy claiming that
he is a coward because he carries a pistol... a perfectly legal act in
the Trike guy's state. Or the spiteful remarks aimed at target
shooters during the Great Gun Depute. Or any of his other bigoted and
derogatory remarks.

At least I'm offering some justification for all his insults and snide
remarks. While you, apparently, are attributing his negative acts
solely to a nasty attitude.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:19:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 2/2/2024 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 6:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did reference that there are randoms on who apparently do carry
>>>>>> guns, and
>>>>>> can get kit to carry from places but it?s noticeable absent from
>>>>>> cycling
>>>>>> media in general and folks who make cycling kit or bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which if there was a market for they would be covering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> One could but certainly with most cycling kit it’s intended with stretch
>>>> even MTB baggy stuff, so is likely to be frankly annoying as the weight
>>>> would make the clothes drag.
>>>>
>>>> I could with the commute bike as has bags and what not, for roadies and
>>>> even MTB space is a premium.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless it doesn’t seem to be a thing even in America guns are
>>>> noticeably absent.
>>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not in London.
>>>
>>> https://store.bicycle-evolution.com/bikase-guncase-holster.html
>>
>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>
>Indeed finding that some random has done it doesn’t mean it’s universally
>done.
>>
>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>>
>
>It’s not mentioned as stuff to carry as yes some folks will list what and
>how they carry stuff which isn’t the most interesting YouTube/article to be
>honest but there you go.
>
>Just means I’m likewise highly sceptical that most, even Americans are
>carrying guns on there persons or on the bike.
>
>And likewise unconvinced that they are embarrassed to say they are or
>similar.
>
>Roger Merriman

This discussion isn't going anywhere but do a search on "Carrying gun
on a bicycle". I get 13,800,000 hits in 0.35 sec.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 18:32:33 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 6:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:48:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>>>
>>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>>
>> I don't know why that *triggers* you so, but I'm kind of happy that it
>> does.
>
>:-) This old guy needs to find a better definition of "triggered," as

A trigger is when something I wrote or did makes you react, even when
what I did doesn't have any tangible effect on you...

>well as "narcissist" and many other words he misuses. A better education
>might have helped!

1. Overinflated Sense of the Self

“It’s not easy being superior to everyone I know!”

- Anonymous

“My fiancé and I each drive a Mercedes. The best man at our
upcoming wedding also drives a Mercedes!”

- Anonymous

Many narcissists enjoy bragging about themselves in grandiose and
exaggerated terms, be it their physical attractiveness, material
(trophy) possessions, social popularity, exciting lifestyle, merit
badge achievements, high-status associations, or other envy-worthy
attributes. While there’s nothing inherently wrong with describing
oneself in positive terms, the pathological narcissist does so in the
following unhealthy ways:

A. The self-flattering statements are often exaggerated.

B. The self-flattering statements are often uttered, directly or
indirectly, at the expense of others (“I’m better than you,” “you
don’t have what I have,” “they‘re nothing compared with me.”) The
narcissist’s fragile ego is boosted not by positively affirming
oneself, but by putting others down.

C. The self-admiring statements are intended for you to look up to and
adulate them. In essence, they want you to worship them, so they feel
“special," “exceptional," and “important."

It is with this superficial and compensatory outer “mask” that the
narcissist constructs his or her false identity, submerging an
insecure, wounded self.

2. Reacts Poorly to Criticism

“How dare her tell me I’m wrong – she’s a nobody!”

- Anonymous

An easy way to spot a narcissist’s fragile ego is to observe the way
with which he or she reacts to criticism, even when such comments are
offered diplomatically, reasonably, and constructively. Most mature
adults are able to take fair criticisms in stride, assess their
validity, and use helpful feedback as a valuable learning tool.
Chronic narcissists, however, tend to be highly offended by, and
ultra-sensitive to even minor criticisms, especially those that have
merit, for they fear that the truth will “expose” just how fake and
hollow they really are (narcissistic injury).
THE BASICS

What Is Narcissism?
Find a therapist who understands narcissism.

3. Jealous of Others, Possessive of Attention

“How did she get picked? She must have cheated!”

- Anonymous

Jealously can be defined as feeling envious for not having what
someone else has. While some people experience jealously on occasion,
many chronic narcissists feel envious and resentful of others’
happiness and success on a regular basis, and pathologically make
disparaging remarks in order to make themselves feel better.

Many pathological narcissists are also attention hogs in their
personal and/or professional lives. They want you to constantly focus
on them and cater to them, for without your attention and appeasement,
they feel insignificant.

4. Manipulates to Get What They Want

“There are those whose primary ability is to spin wheels of
manipulation. It is their second skin and without these spinning
wheels, they simply do not know how to function.”

- C. JoyBell C.

Examples of narcissist manipulation include, and are not limited to:

A. Negative Manipulation - Intended to gain an advantage by causing
the victim to feel inferior, inadequate, insecure, and/or self-doubt.

B. Positive Manipulation - Intended to bribe the victim emotionally to
win favors, concessions, sacrifices, and/or commitments.

C. Deception and Intrigue - Intended to distort the perception of the
victim for easier exploitation.

D. Strategic Helplessness - Intended to take advantage of the victim’s
goodwill and guilty conscience.

E. Hostility and Abuse – Intended to dominate and control the victim
through overt aggression.

The truth about narcissistic manipulation is that, deep down, many
narcissists don’t believe they have what it takes to get what they
want in a healthy, reasonable way. To compensate for the inadequacy,
they resort to false personas and deceptive machinations to gain a
measure of what they desire.

>As a major clue: If a person is laughing, he doesn't qualify as
>"triggered."

<LOL> ridiclous bragging is something narcissists do.

Am I qualified to talk about such things? Yes, by virtue of attending
multiple
classes at various levels for each of the programs described above.
I've also acted
as an editorial consultant on two well known books dealing with those
matters.
I've written many articles on those and related topics, and had some
of them
reprinted by publications in other states and one other country. I no
longer maintain
the teaching certification, but I've taught many cycling classes, I've
written scripts for
and appeared in televised instructional spots, I've been interviewed
for newspapers and
TV on such matters, and I've spoken (by request) at city, regional and
statewide gatherings.

--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/zq7Xw0dOUx4/m/cPDmX5OWAQAJ

"I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
above were not bragging."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 17:40:36 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 4:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:31:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/2/2024 10:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2024 8:22 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski has not yet explained what he plans on doing if someone does
>>>>> attack him on his bike, or how he'd deal with someone attempting to
>>>>> break into his home, or a carjack attempt.
>>>
>>> :-) AND WHAT IF A METEORITE AIMS FOR MY HOUSE? WHAT IF THE EARTH
>>> SWALLOWS IT DURING AN EARTHQUAKE?
>>>
>>> "Worst Case Scenario" is such a fun game! :-) Except it's really scary
>>> for timid people.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We each make our own risk assessment.
>>>>
>>>> For Mr Krygowski in Poland OH, mugging or robbery of cyclists is
>>>> actuarially improbable.
>>>
>>> I've avoided mugging and robbery while riding in 47 states so far, plus
>>> about ten other countries. (I keep losing count.) I've avoided mugging
>>> and robbery while riding in Baltimore, DC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, LA,
>>> San Francisco, Portland, Columbus, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Oklahoma
>>> City, Atlanta, Des Moines, Indianapolis, Nashville and countless other
>>> cities.
>>
>> I assume none of the people who have been attacked expected it. What
>> are your plans if it happens to you?
>
>
>On that point, one thinks naturally of Daniel Parmenter,
>whose lawfully owned pistol was locked in his car because
>Northern Illinois University is a firearm free zone.
>
>On Valentine's day 2008, a homicidal maniac calmly walked to
>the front of a lecture hall and began killing people,
>including Mr Parmenter. No one returned fire to stop the threat.

Not many people would get shot if they knew somebody was preparing to
shoot them.

On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 06:03:58 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 12:54:31 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:42:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 00:47:06 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/1/2024 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/1/2024 11:31 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>>>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>>>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>>>>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>>>>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>>>>>>>> either way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>>>>>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>>>>>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>>>>>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>>>>>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>>>>>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>>>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They may well know things others do not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> US ex military might well like guns though that?s not generally the case in
>>>>>>> uk ie guns are used for purpose and post military duty doesn?t seem to be a
>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kinda unlikely it?s a logical thing, realistically if somewhere is risky
>>>>>>> enough that you need a gun? Probably unwise to go there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the Americans on YouTube and socials who will discuss all sorts of kit,
>>>>>>> carrying guns aren?t one of them, yes Americans are into guns in huge way
>>>>>>> but this seems to suggest that CatTrike is something of outlier even there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "all sorts of kit, carrying guns aren?t one of them"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unclear. IME most firearms owners, including carry, are wan
>>>>>> to discuss the matter. For good reason I might add:
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems unlikely with the lack of general kit to carry guns, I?m unconvinced
>>>>> if was a cool bit of kit it wouldn?t be covered I?ve seen bear spray and
>>>>> even fishing kit discussed, and are ransoms on the internet who as ever you
>>>>> name it have made a video/comments on how do x or y.
>>>>
>>>> ?????????????????????????
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&q=concealed+carry+equipment
>>>> About 23,400,000 results (0.50 seconds)
>>>>
>>>> Add to that many "concealed carry" firearms fit easily into pants
>>>> pockets and/or hand bags :=)
>>>
>>> I fashioned a device out of a bottle cage and PVC tube to carry my
>>> Bersa .380 in it's kydex holster.
>>>
>>Which is kinda my point I don’t doubt that some do, but that folks such as
>>your self have custom made a holder. Not going to find such stuff in a bike
>>shop and so on.
>>
>>Can’t imagine it being comfortable in one’s belt cycling as suggested for
>>more than a very short ride or similar.
>>
>>Can’t imagine your that bothered by doing your own thing.
>>
>>Roger Merriman
>
>
>Well, you could buy a shoulder holster... from the walking around
>equipment selling folks, or a conventional hip holster and just twist
>the belt around so the holster is hanging at your back. The point is
>that you really don't need anything unusual to carry a gun on a bike.

I think if I'm wearing regular street clothes and riding short 5 mile
trips to the grocery, drug store, or library, one of my wasteband
holsters would work OK. OTOH, they would be a problem on a 50 mile
ride like I did today wearing lycra.

On 2/2/2024 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> Well, you could buy a shoulder holster... from the walking around
> equipment selling folks, or a conventional hip holster and just twist
> the belt around so the holster is hanging at your back. The point is
> that you really don't need anything unusual to carry a gun on a bike.

So which solution do you use to carry a gun while riding your bike, John?

And how many times has it paid off by saving your life?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/2/2024 6:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> On that point, one thinks naturally of Daniel Parmenter, whose lawfully
> owned pistol was locked in his car because Northern Illinois University
> is a firearm free zone.
>
> On Valentine's day 2008, a homicidal maniac calmly walked to the front
> of a lecture hall and began killing people, including Mr Parmenter. No
> one returned fire to stop the threat.

Yep. That incident was a great result of the "Everybody's gotta have
rapid fire weaponry" movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Northern_Illinois_University_shooting

Let every crazy buy all the deadliest guns and that's what you get!

But apparently, some still pretend that one pistol in one pocket would
have somehow saved the day. Incredible.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/2/2024 7:46 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:25:53 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote of John:
>>
>> What is the matter with you? Idiot.
>>
>> Lou
>
> Well, look at the current insults aimed at the Trike guy claiming that
> he is a coward because he carries a pistol... a perfectly legal act in
> the Trike guy's state.

It's legal to be timid. It's just not admirable.

> Or the spiteful remarks aimed at target
> shooters during the Great Gun Depute.

Which remarks are those? I don't believe I've ever disparaged the sort
of disciplined target shooting you engaged in.

Yes, I've disparaged the middle aged guys in videos "playing army," by
firing assault style rifles at dummies representing victims as they ran
and dodged. That's inane, immature behavior. And I suspect a large
proportion of AR-equipped mass shooters practiced that way.

But maybe you _have_ done that kind of play acting. Maybe that's why
you're so offended?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 18:07:33 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:40:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/2/2024 6:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2024 12:31:20 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:03:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/1/2024 9:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/31/2024 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm saying people like Mr. Tricycle who travel with guns do it out of
>>>>>>> fear. You're not disputing my point. You're instead saying "By gorry,
>>>>>>> he _should_ be afraid!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet most people in America are not. It's the ones with guns who are
>>>>>>> timid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You describe him as 'fearful', not 'prudent'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either or both may apply for any given situation.
>>>>>> One chosen term is your analysis as an outside observer, the other the
>>>>>> descriptor by the man who is actually there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's fine to disagree about that but I don't see a dispositive argument
>>>>>> either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note, my remarks were about "people like Mr. Tricycle." From what
>>>>> we can glean from his posts, he lives in a reasonably prosperous area,
>>>>> unlike the worst areas of Chicago sometimes referenced here. Also unlike
>>>>> Tom's hell hole. He rides ~exclusively on a bike trail, which are the
>>>>> sort of places where young mothers push baby carriages.
>>>>>
>>>>> A person like Mr. Tricycle's "given situation" seems like one where only
>>>>> a true paranoid would think he always needs the ability to kill another
>>>>> person.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's afraid. So he carries a gun. Just like most people who always carry
>>>>> guns.
>>>>
>>>> Many veterans carry a gun.
>>>
>>> I came across something today that may serve to explain Frankie's
>>> animosity.
>>>
>>> The Internet has "Frank Krygowski, residing at "29 Ohio Ave, Poland,
>>> OH 44514, Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage,
>>> Three bedrooms, One bathroom, Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size -
>>> 1,304 sqft.
>>> https://www.officialusa.com/names/Frank-Krygowski/
>>> And in a separate address I find,
>>> 29 Ohio Ave, Poland, OH 44514
>>> Single Family, Attached Garage, 1 space, 360 sqft garage
>>> Three bedrooms, One bathroom
>>> Lot Size - 0.65 acres, Floor Size - 1,304 sqft
>>> Estimated value $182,700
>>> https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/29-Ohio-Ave_Poland_OH_44514_M31867-76359
>>>
>>> Then we have our very own Tom Kunich
>>> Thomas H Kunich, Born: Oct 1944
>>> 3539 Monterey Blvd
>>> San Leandro CA94578
>>> https://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Leandro/3539-Monterey-Blvd-94578/home/1500161
>>> 3 Bed rooms. 2 baths. 1454 sq ft.
>>> Current valued at $925,750
>>>
>>> Can it be that Frank's animosity lies not with his superior
>>> intelligence - after all he was a school teacher - but that after a
>>> lifetime of labor his assets are only 1/5th the value of Tom's.
>>>
>>> Think of it. Years of insults, snide remarks, lies and slander... due
>>> solely to jealousy.
>>
>>John, that's really weird. You're one step away from stalking.
>
>IS that any worse than demanding that others disclose personal
>information?
>
>"How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
>commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
>riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
>traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
>many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
>many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>friends on road rides? How many times have you organized and run
>multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?"
>
>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
>courage and experience really are more than mine."
>- Frank Krygowski
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ

Unhappily the argument "It hasn't happened, so it will never happen"
is flawed. But as for courage, I served in combat zones in two wars.
Tell us Frank how many did you serve in?

You see Frank "bravery" isn't daring to ride down a city street it is
being in danger, knowing that you are in danger, and continuing to do
your job.

But undoubtedly you were you one of those that worked overtime to get
their wife pregnant so that they wouldn't have to serve their country?
--
Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:19:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2024 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2024 6:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did reference that there are randoms on who apparently do carry
>>>>>>> guns, and
>>>>>>> can get kit to carry from places but it?s noticeable absent from
>>>>>>> cycling
>>>>>>> media in general and folks who make cycling kit or bikes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which if there was a market for they would be covering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> One could but certainly with most cycling kit it’s intended with stretch
>>>>> even MTB baggy stuff, so is likely to be frankly annoying as the weight
>>>>> would make the clothes drag.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could with the commute bike as has bags and what not, for roadies and
>>>>> even MTB space is a premium.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless it doesn’t seem to be a thing even in America guns are
>>>>> noticeably absent.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not in London.
>>>>
>>>> https://store.bicycle-evolution.com/bikase-guncase-holster.html
>>>
>>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>>
>> Indeed finding that some random has done it doesn’t mean it’s universally
>> done.
>>>
>>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>>>
>>
>> It’s not mentioned as stuff to carry as yes some folks will list what and
>> how they carry stuff which isn’t the most interesting YouTube/article to be
>> honest but there you go.
>>
>> Just means I’m likewise highly sceptical that most, even Americans are
>> carrying guns on there persons or on the bike.
>>
>> And likewise unconvinced that they are embarrassed to say they are or
>> similar.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> For most pro-gun people it's not a big deal. I certainly didn't until
> *someone* got triggered by my casual mention of it. Lots of bicyclists
> carry a tire pump and patches, but don't talk about it unless someone
> brings it up.
>

Cycling media absolutely does talk about bike pumps patches/inner tubes or
should you take them if you have tubeless and so on, and how to carry them
and so on.

and lots of other kit, what they don’t mention is their handgun it’s
noticeable by its absence.

Roger Merriman

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 21:51:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 6:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> On that point, one thinks naturally of Daniel Parmenter, whose lawfully
>> owned pistol was locked in his car because Northern Illinois University
>> is a firearm free zone.
>>
>> On Valentine's day 2008, a homicidal maniac calmly walked to the front
>> of a lecture hall and began killing people, including Mr Parmenter. No
>> one returned fire to stop the threat.
>
>Yep. That incident was a great result of the "Everybody's gotta have
>rapid fire weaponry" movement.

Another strawman.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Northern_Illinois_University_shooting
>
>Let every crazy buy all the deadliest guns and that's what you get!
>
>But apparently, some still pretend that one pistol in one pocket would
>have somehow saved the day. Incredible.

What is "Straw Man" and Why Do Narcissists Use It?

The "straw man" technique is a common tactic used by narcissists in
order to discredit their victim's thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
This technique involves misrepresenting or distorting the victim's
point of view in order to create an argument that is easy for the
narcissist to win. Essentially, the narcissist creates a "straw man"
version of their victim's argument, which is a distorted and
exaggerated version of what the victim actually believes, and then
proceeds to attack and discredit that version of the argument.

Narcissists use the "straw man" technique in order to maintain control
over their victims and to avoid taking responsibility for their own
behavior. By misrepresenting the victim's point of view, the
narcissist can avoid addressing the real issue and shift the focus
onto the distorted argument they have created. They may also use the
"straw man" technique to make themselves appear more reasonable or
intelligent by attacking a weaker, exaggerated version of the victim's
argument.

https://www.standcoaching.com/post/unraveling-the-straw-man-recognizing-and-overcoming-narcissistic-deception

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 21:30:35 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> Well, you could buy a shoulder holster... from the walking around
>> equipment selling folks, or a conventional hip holster and just twist
>> the belt around so the holster is hanging at your back. The point is
>> that you really don't need anything unusual to carry a gun on a bike.
>
>So which solution do you use to carry a gun while riding your bike, John?
>
>And how many times has it paid off by saving your life?

As a narcissist, Krygowski can't tolerate people who simply dismiss
his arguments. It makes him feel even weaker and more useless than he
already knows himself to be.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 22:17:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 7:46 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:25:53 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> > <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote of John:
> >>
> >> What is the matter with you? Idiot.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> > Well, look at the current insults aimed at the Trike guy claiming that
> > he is a coward because he carries a pistol... a perfectly legal act in
> > the Trike guy's state.
>
>It's legal to be timid. It's just not admirable.

<LOL> Krygowski, ever the narcissist, is obsessed with his own need
to be admired. He can't fathom that most people don't have that need.

He actually seems to believe that his ridiculous undocumented brags
are documentation of his qualifications.

"...there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ

Only a true narcissist would post such a nonsensical brag.

> > Or the spiteful remarks aimed at target
> > shooters during the Great Gun Depute.
>
>Which remarks are those? I don't believe I've ever disparaged the sort
>of disciplined target shooting you engaged in.
>
>Yes, I've disparaged the middle aged guys in videos "playing army," by
>firing assault style rifles at dummies representing victims as they ran
>and dodged. That's inane, immature behavior. And I suspect a large
>proportion of AR-equipped mass shooters practiced that way.

A narcissists will often disparage others for doing things that have
no tangible effect on him. He needs to berate others in an attempt to
feel better about himself.

>But maybe you _have_ done that kind of play acting. Maybe that's why
>you're so offended?

On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:55:31 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:19:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2024 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2024 6:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did reference that there are randoms on who apparently do carry
>>>>>>>> guns, and
>>>>>>>> can get kit to carry from places but it?s noticeable absent from
>>>>>>>> cycling
>>>>>>>> media in general and folks who make cycling kit or bikes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which if there was a market for they would be covering.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> One could but certainly with most cycling kit it?s intended with stretch
>>>>>> even MTB baggy stuff, so is likely to be frankly annoying as the weight
>>>>>> would make the clothes drag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could with the commute bike as has bags and what not, for roadies and
>>>>>> even MTB space is a premium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless it doesn?t seem to be a thing even in America guns are
>>>>>> noticeably absent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in London.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://store.bicycle-evolution.com/bikase-guncase-holster.html
>>>>
>>>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>>>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>>>
>>> Indeed finding that some random has done it doesn?t mean it?s universally
>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>>>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>>>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>>>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It?s not mentioned as stuff to carry as yes some folks will list what and
>>> how they carry stuff which isn?t the most interesting YouTube/article to be
>>> honest but there you go.
>>>
>>> Just means I?m likewise highly sceptical that most, even Americans are
>>> carrying guns on there persons or on the bike.
>>>
>>> And likewise unconvinced that they are embarrassed to say they are or
>>> similar.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> For most pro-gun people it's not a big deal. I certainly didn't until
>> *someone* got triggered by my casual mention of it. Lots of bicyclists
>> carry a tire pump and patches, but don't talk about it unless someone
>> brings it up.
>>
>
>Cycling media absolutely does talk about bike pumps patches/inner tubes or
>should you take them if you have tubeless and so on, and how to carry them
>and so on.
>
>and lots of other kit, what they don’t mention is their handgun it’s
>noticeable by its absence.
>
>Roger Merriman

I'm not claiming that carrying a gun on a bike is commonplace, however
I don't believe that it's a rarity, except perhaps where gun ownership
is restricted.

There are venders who advertise devices designed to carry a gun on a
bicycle, although

On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:55:31 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:19:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2024 9:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2024 6:36 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:01:05 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did reference that there are randoms on who apparently do carry
>>>>>>>> guns, and
>>>>>>>> can get kit to carry from places but it?s noticeable absent from
>>>>>>>> cycling
>>>>>>>> media in general and folks who make cycling kit or bikes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which if there was a market for they would be covering.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> One could but certainly with most cycling kit it?s intended with stretch
>>>>>> even MTB baggy stuff, so is likely to be frankly annoying as the weight
>>>>>> would make the clothes drag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could with the commute bike as has bags and what not, for roadies and
>>>>>> even MTB space is a premium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless it doesn?t seem to be a thing even in America guns are
>>>>>> noticeably absent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in London.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://store.bicycle-evolution.com/bikase-guncase-holster.html
>>>>
>>>> Zero reviews tells me it's not a big seller. I've never seen one used on
>>>> a bike, and I've probably seen tens of thousands of bicycles.
>>>
>>> Indeed finding that some random has done it doesn?t mean it?s universally
>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> And I could be wrong, but AFAIR only one person on this forum has
>>>> mentioned always (or even usually) riding with a gun. That covers
>>>> decades of r.b.tech discussions and hundreds of contributors. It
>>>> obviously includes the current contributors.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It?s not mentioned as stuff to carry as yes some folks will list what and
>>> how they carry stuff which isn?t the most interesting YouTube/article to be
>>> honest but there you go.
>>>
>>> Just means I?m likewise highly sceptical that most, even Americans are
>>> carrying guns on there persons or on the bike.
>>>
>>> And likewise unconvinced that they are embarrassed to say they are or
>>> similar.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> For most pro-gun people it's not a big deal. I certainly didn't until
>> *someone* got triggered by my casual mention of it. Lots of bicyclists
>> carry a tire pump and patches, but don't talk about it unless someone
>> brings it up.
>>
>
>Cycling media absolutely does talk about bike pumps patches/inner tubes or
>should you take them if you have tubeless and so on, and how to carry them
>and so on.
>
>and lots of other kit, what they don’t mention is their handgun it’s
>noticeable by its absence.
>
>Roger Merriman

Well.... :-) I don't see many bicycle posts that mention the rider had
false teeth. Does this indicate that no one with false teeth rides a
bicycle?

P.S. My neighbor rides his bike with NO teeth :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 03:42:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 22:17:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/2/2024 7:46 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:25:53 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> > <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote of John:
>> >>
>> >> What is the matter with you? Idiot.
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> >
>> > Well, look at the current insults aimed at the Trike guy claiming that
>> > he is a coward because he carries a pistol... a perfectly legal act in
>> > the Trike guy's state.
>>
>>It's legal to be timid. It's just not admirable.
>
><LOL> Krygowski, ever the narcissist, is obsessed with his own need
>to be admired. He can't fathom that most people don't have that need.
>
>He actually seems to believe that his ridiculous undocumented brags
>are documentation of his qualifications.
>
>"...there are others who have examined my
>bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
>know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
>Frank Krygowski
>https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ
>
>
>Only a true narcissist would post such a nonsensical brag.
>
>
>
>
>> > Or the spiteful remarks aimed at target
>> > shooters during the Great Gun Depute.
>>
>>Which remarks are those? I don't believe I've ever disparaged the sort
>>of disciplined target shooting you engaged in.
>>
>>Yes, I've disparaged the middle aged guys in videos "playing army," by
>>firing assault style rifles at dummies representing victims as they ran
>>and dodged. That's inane, immature behavior. And I suspect a large
>>proportion of AR-equipped mass shooters practiced that way.
>
>A narcissists will often disparage others for doing things that have
>no tangible effect on him. He needs to berate others in an attempt to
>feel better about himself.
>
>>But maybe you _have_ done that kind of play acting. Maybe that's why
>>you're so offended?

Well, as I mentioned there is a 6 year old girl, that lives down the
road from where I live, that I've seen quite a number of times now.
She rides on the side of the road, never out into traffic, at a safe
speed and even knows which of the local dogs to stop and pet and which
to avoid.

Stop and think. The little girl's mother gives her 10 baht and tell
the girl, "go and get me some garlic", or two eggs, or whatever. The
little girl gets on her bike and rides carefully to the shop, buys
what her mother ordered and brings it home. Could Frank do better?

As for Frank's loud cries, "I rode in that city" or "I rode on that
street", the immediate mental response would be, "So can a 6 year old
girl". Note here, Thai would be too polite to actually say that but
they would certainly think it.

In fact it would be a rather weak joke to announce, "Gee, I rode all
the way to the shop and all the way back today". As you would be
announcing that you did what a 6 year old girl could do :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 17:47:39 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Feb 2024 03:42:45 -0500, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 22:17:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/2/2024 7:46 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:25:53 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>>> > <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote of John:
>>> >>
>>> >> What is the matter with you? Idiot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lou
>>> >
>>> > Well, look at the current insults aimed at the Trike guy claiming that
>>> > he is a coward because he carries a pistol... a perfectly legal act in
>>> > the Trike guy's state.
>>>
>>>It's legal to be timid. It's just not admirable.
>>
>><LOL> Krygowski, ever the narcissist, is obsessed with his own need
>>to be admired. He can't fathom that most people don't have that need.
>>
>>He actually seems to believe that his ridiculous undocumented brags
>>are documentation of his qualifications.
>>
>>"...there are others who have examined my
>>bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
>>know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
>>Frank Krygowski
>>https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ
>>
>>
>>Only a true narcissist would post such a nonsensical brag.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> > Or the spiteful remarks aimed at target
>>> > shooters during the Great Gun Depute.
>>>
>>>Which remarks are those? I don't believe I've ever disparaged the sort
>>>of disciplined target shooting you engaged in.
>>>
>>>Yes, I've disparaged the middle aged guys in videos "playing army," by
>>>firing assault style rifles at dummies representing victims as they ran
>>>and dodged. That's inane, immature behavior. And I suspect a large
>>>proportion of AR-equipped mass shooters practiced that way.
>>
>>A narcissists will often disparage others for doing things that have
>>no tangible effect on him. He needs to berate others in an attempt to
>>feel better about himself.
>>
>>>But maybe you _have_ done that kind of play acting. Maybe that's why
>>>you're so offended?
>
>Well, as I mentioned there is a 6 year old girl, that lives down the
>road from where I live, that I've seen quite a number of times now.
>She rides on the side of the road, never out into traffic, at a safe
>speed and even knows which of the local dogs to stop and pet and which
>to avoid.
>
> Stop and think. The little girl's mother gives her 10 baht and tell
>the girl, "go and get me some garlic", or two eggs, or whatever. The
>little girl gets on her bike and rides carefully to the shop, buys
>what her mother ordered and brings it home. Could Frank do better?
>
>As for Frank's loud cries, "I rode in that city" or "I rode on that
>street", the immediate mental response would be, "So can a 6 year old
>girl". Note here, Thai would be too polite to actually say that but
>they would certainly think it.
>
>In fact it would be a rather weak joke to announce, "Gee, I rode all
>the way to the shop and all the way back today". As you would be
>announcing that you did what a 6 year old girl could do :-)

"Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to
visit a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of
other races living there."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en