https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
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On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
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> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them.. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.

On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/

>
> Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.

Well, there was this from NYFD last month:

https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc

Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.
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On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
>
> >
> > Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.
> Well, there was this from NYFD last month:
>
> https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc
>
> Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

But people are so afraid of fire that they are complaining about a 1.5 degree natural climate change when the daily temperatures could very well have a 100 degree swing. Liebermann cries that ICE cars have fires more often than electric cars when fire authorities tell us that almost ALL of the ICE fires are only in the electrical system and have nothing to do with gasoline..

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
>
> >
> > Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.
> Well, there was this from NYFD last month:
>
> https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc
>
> Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

In New York City, people keep their e-bikes in their apartments.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:38:41 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
>
>>
>> Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.
>
>Well, there was this from NYFD last month:
>
>https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc
>
>Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.

I can't find all the numbers yet but the 17 deaths apparently caused
by battery fires, which are about only 0.9% of all fires, the battery
fires may be the single greatest cause of "death by fire" in the city.
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Cheers,

John B.

On 2/7/2024 2:43 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> I can't find all the numbers yet but the 17 deaths apparently caused
> by battery fires, which are about only 0.9% of all fires, the battery
> fires may be the single greatest cause of "death by fire" in the city.

NYC now does not allow the sale of non-UL 2849 certified eBikes,
following deaths by battery fires (but this doesn't stop people from
buying junky eBikes online).

Also, many apartment buildings in NYC no longer allow eBikes in the
building. That should greatly reduce the number of eBike battery fires
and deaths.

The grid is perfectly capable of supplying sufficient electricity for
eBikes. For electric cars, what is happening, at least in California, is
that most electric car buyers also are putting in solar panels and a
storage battery.

It used to make no sense to have a storage battery at your house, but
changes the the way electric utilities reimburse homeowners for KWH put
back on the grid has made batteries an economic necessity.

And no, dust on the insulators of power lines is not an issue except for
HVDC lines which you're not going to have in your back yard. The power
companies do periodically clean the insulators of HVDC lines that are
not in areas with sufficient rain to wash off dust, bird droppings, etc.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:54:27 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
> >
> > >
> > > Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.
> > Well, there was this from NYFD last month:
> >
> > https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc
> >
> > Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > a...@yellowjersey.org
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> But people are so afraid of fire that they are complaining about a 1.5 degree natural climate change when the daily temperatures could very well have a 100 degree swing. Liebermann cries that ICE cars have fires more often than electric cars when fire authorities tell us that almost ALL of the ICE fires are only in the electrical system and have nothing to do with gasoline.
>
Back in the day when Jaguar were still proudly British, before Ford bought them out and instituted quality control to make them useful as well, my New York technical attorney called me from Los Angeles in a high state of excitement. "I've just crossed the entire USA without a single electrical fire in my Jaguar!" he shouted. I said, "Now make it back to New York without a single electrical fire, and you'll be a legend in your own lunch hour." Then he went totally missing for six or seven weeks... When eventually he surfaced in New York again, sans Jaguar, he staunchly refused to talk about it.
>
One of the cars we kept longest (13 years, 39,000 miles) was a boringly reliable Volvo Estate from the tank bumper era, spacious and comfortable and fast enough for a family man on his way to France for the winter, even more reliable if less boring and faster when I slung the limp committee-designed V6 and fitted a Chevrolet 350 I'd breathed on. It's only weak spot was the fusebox, a smart thing in the passenger footwell for a reason: it was sourced from Lucas, Prince of Darkness, and no matter how yummy it looked to the innocent and the ignorant, it's malevolence was such that every time I rebuilt it, it found a new way to go wrong.
>
It's probably no longer woke to say so, but the fans of small British sports cars, may they be blessed for their Perseverance in the Faith, know all about Lucas, Prince of Darkness*. It's why, in my yoof, before the 911, I drove pitifully underpowered Porsche 356 -- they started on the button, every time, even if my tow car, a Jaguar MkII outpaced them without ever breaking sweat.
>
Andre Jute
>
Days of gore and roses.
>
*And those of us who drove their big brothers, the Healey 3000s and the XKs, of necessity developed elephant-skin backsides on those cart suspensions with just about zero vertical axle movement, and still suffered the electrical gremlins.
>

On 2/7/2024 7:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:54:27 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 12:38:44 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.
>>> Well, there was this from NYFD last month:
>>>
>>> https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc
>>>
>>> Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> a...@yellowjersey.org
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> But people are so afraid of fire that they are complaining about a 1.5 degree natural climate change when the daily temperatures could very well have a 100 degree swing. Liebermann cries that ICE cars have fires more often than electric cars when fire authorities tell us that almost ALL of the ICE fires are only in the electrical system and have nothing to do with gasoline.
>>
> Back in the day when Jaguar were still proudly British, before Ford bought them out and instituted quality control to make them useful as well, my New York technical attorney called me from Los Angeles in a high state of excitement. "I've just crossed the entire USA without a single electrical fire in my Jaguar!" he shouted. I said, "Now make it back to New York without a single electrical fire, and you'll be a legend in your own lunch hour." Then he went totally missing for six or seven weeks... When eventually he surfaced in New York again, sans Jaguar, he staunchly refused to talk about it.
>>
> One of the cars we kept longest (13 years, 39,000 miles) was a boringly reliable Volvo Estate from the tank bumper era, spacious and comfortable and fast enough for a family man on his way to France for the winter, even more reliable if less boring and faster when I slung the limp committee-designed V6 and fitted a Chevrolet 350 I'd breathed on. It's only weak spot was the fusebox, a smart thing in the passenger footwell for a reason: it was sourced from Lucas, Prince of Darkness, and no matter how yummy it looked to the innocent and the ignorant, it's malevolence was such that every time I rebuilt it, it found a new way to go wrong.
>>
> It's probably no longer woke to say so, but the fans of small British sports cars, may they be blessed for their Perseverance in the Faith, know all about Lucas, Prince of Darkness*. It's why, in my yoof, before the 911, I drove pitifully underpowered Porsche 356 -- they started on the button, every time, even if my tow car, a Jaguar MkII outpaced them without ever breaking sweat.
>>
> Andre Jute
>>
> Days of gore and roses.
>>
> *And those of us who drove their big brothers, the Healey 3000s and the XKs, of necessity developed elephant-skin backsides on those cart suspensions with just about zero vertical axle movement, and still suffered the electrical gremlins.
>>
>
>

Owning a classic British sports car is compared to sleeping
with a crazy woman. When it's good, it's very good.
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am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 17:31:52 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:54:27?PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 12:38:44?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 2/7/2024 2:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 10:06:49?AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> > >> https://cyclingindustry.news/polish-bicycle-manufacturer-romet-forecasts-60-revenue-growth/
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Although I was doubtful about their popularity, it is getting more and more clear that people are using them as a car that they can afford. As of yet the batteries have not gotten old enough to start becoming a problem and I expect at that point and quite suddenly they will either stop being sold or be legislated out of existence. There is always the small possibility that Toyota will be able to supply solid state batteries to those who want them. But I find that unlikely. It won't be long before the electrical grid is so overloaded that charging won't be possible And a grid even the size we presently have requires expensive and continuous maintenance. Heavy dust build up on the insulators which are then wetted down with rain shorts lines out. This is a problem especially with high voltage long distance lines.
>> > Well, there was this from NYFD last month:
>> >
>> > https://www.mensjournal.com/pursuits/cycling/lithium-ion-batteries-are-a-leading-cause-of-fire-deaths-in-nyc
>> >
>> > Although 'fire deaths' are a small subset of 'deaths'.
>> > --
>> > Andrew Muzi
>> > a...@yellowjersey.org
>> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> But people are so afraid of fire that they are complaining about a 1.5 degree natural climate change when the daily temperatures could very well have a 100 degree swing. Liebermann cries that ICE cars have fires more often than electric cars when fire authorities tell us that almost ALL of the ICE fires are only in the electrical system and have nothing to do with gasoline.
>>
>Back in the day when Jaguar were still proudly British, before Ford bought them out and instituted quality control to make them useful as well, my New York technical attorney called me from Los Angeles in a high state of excitement. "I've just crossed the entire USA without a single electrical fire in my Jaguar!" he shouted. I said, "Now make it back to New York without a single electrical fire, and you'll be a legend in your own lunch hour." Then he went totally missing for six or seven weeks... When eventually he surfaced in New York again, sans Jaguar, he staunchly refused to talk about it.
>>
>One of the cars we kept longest (13 years, 39,000 miles) was a boringly reliable Volvo Estate from the tank bumper era, spacious and comfortable and fast enough for a family man on his way to France for the winter, even more reliable if less boring and faster when I slung the limp committee-designed V6 and fitted a Chevrolet 350 I'd breathed on. It's only weak spot was the fusebox, a smart thing in the passenger footwell for a reason: it was sourced from Lucas, Prince of Darkness, and no matter how yummy it looked to the innocent and the ignorant, it's malevolence was such that every time I rebuilt it, it found a new way to go wrong.
>>
>It's probably no longer woke to say so, but the fans of small British sports cars, may they be blessed for their Perseverance in the Faith, know all about Lucas, Prince of Darkness*. It's why, in my yoof, before the 911, I drove pitifully underpowered Porsche 356 -- they started on the button, every time, even if my tow car, a Jaguar MkII outpaced them without ever breaking sweat.
>>
>Andre Jute
>>
>Days of gore and roses.
>>
>*And those of us who drove their big brothers, the Healey 3000s and the XKs, of necessity developed elephant-skin backsides on those cart suspensions with just about zero vertical axle movement, and still suffered the electrical gremlins.
>>
>
One day as I was buying a new xener diode for my Triumph motorcyle, I
don't remember which one of the three I had at various times, the
sales person asked "know why the British drink warm beer?"

Answer: Lucas Electrics.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:38:49 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>Owning a classic British sports car is compared to sleeping
>with a crazy woman. When it's good, it's very good.

+1

Been there, done that, both.

I remember a terrible afternoon trying to pry a leaky freeze plug out
of the back of the Spitfire's engine where it was a only few inches
from the firewall. I remember finally cutting a section out of it's
floor board so I could, once again, replace the seals on the hydraulic
clutch.

I loved that old car... Crazy women, I'd rather not talk about them.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/2024 2:43 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I can't find all the numbers yet but the 17 deaths apparently caused
>> by battery fires, which are about only 0.9% of all fires, the battery
>> fires may be the single greatest cause of "death by fire" in the city.
>
> NYC now does not allow the sale of non-UL 2849 certified eBikes,
> following deaths by battery fires (but this doesn't stop people from
> buying junky eBikes online).

It’s not this but cheap EV scooters and so on that aren’t regulated so
aren’t allowed on public transport or public buildings as well they are
shoddy stuff that is a fire hazard!

Quite frankly they need to be legal and regulated.
>
> Also, many apartment buildings in NYC no longer allow eBikes in the
> building. That should greatly reduce the number of eBike battery fires
> and deaths.
>
> The grid is perfectly capable of supplying sufficient electricity for
> eBikes. For electric cars, what is happening, at least in California, is
> that most electric car buyers also are putting in solar panels and a
> storage battery.
>
> It used to make no sense to have a storage battery at your house, but
> changes the the way electric utilities reimburse homeowners for KWH put
> back on the grid has made batteries an economic necessity.
>
> And no, dust on the insulators of power lines is not an issue except for
> HVDC lines which you're not going to have in your back yard. The power
> companies do periodically clean the insulators of HVDC lines that are
> not in areas with sufficient rain to wash off dust, bird droppings, etc.
>
Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:11:02 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 2/7/2024 2:43 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > I can't find all the numbers yet but the 17 deaths apparently caused
> > by battery fires, which are about only 0.9% of all fires, the battery
> > fires may be the single greatest cause of "death by fire" in the city.
> NYC now does not allow the sale of non-UL 2849 certified eBikes,
> following deaths by battery fires (but this doesn't stop people from
> buying junky eBikes online).
>
> Also, many apartment buildings in NYC no longer allow eBikes in the
> building. That should greatly reduce the number of eBike battery fires
> and deaths.
>
> The grid is perfectly capable of supplying sufficient electricity for
> eBikes. For electric cars, what is happening, at least in California, is
> that most electric car buyers also are putting in solar panels and a
> storage battery.
>
> It used to make no sense to have a storage battery at your house, but
> changes the the way electric utilities reimburse homeowners for KWH put
> back on the grid has made batteries an economic necessity.
>
> And no, dust on the insulators of power lines is not an issue except for
> HVDC lines which you're not going to have in your back yard. The power
> companies do periodically clean the insulators of HVDC lines that are
> not in areas with sufficient rain to wash off dust, bird droppings, etc.
>
> --
> “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
> really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
> indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
> they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

Slocomb just told you that there is no such thing as a battery fire inside of an apartment building. Don't you believe him?