On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 19:32:57 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/22/2024 6:48 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:26:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/22/2024 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 11:16:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:44:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/21/2024 10:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:00:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/21/2024 4:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:24:56 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe there's a rule against mounting a water bottle on the
>>>>>>>>>> bars. I could be wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're wrong:
>>>>>>>>> <https://road.cc/content/news/49519-uci-sets-sights-drinking-bottles-next>
>>>>>>>>> "The new rule Article 1.3.024 will only allow bottles to be positioned
>>>>>>>>> on the down tube and seat tube."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/7s1ma6mVAVlFwi8rRgy0Iw/1bef531dd9e9f534c34ff016c68e3c72/Clarification_Guide_of_the_UCI_Technical_Regulation_-_20211005_-_ENG.pdf>
>>>>>>>>> See pages 49 to 51.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> heh heh heh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Riders used to complain that the 'white sox only; must cover
>>>>>>>> the ankle' rule was silly. And also the official with a tape
>>>>>>>> measure checking distance between hem of shorts leg and knee
>>>>>>>> back during the 'black shorts only' rule era.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as they say all is change. A new era with even more
>>>>>>>> arbitrary and ridiculous rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the interest of not starting a political discussion, I'll just
>>>>>>> mention that the problem has been well known for many centuries and is
>>>>>>> commonly known as the Chinese version of legalism:
>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)>
>>>>>>> Legalism can be made to work, but does not scale easily to large
>>>>>>> numbers without using coersion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Change everything" (I have a rubber stamp with those words).
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's universal to bureaucracies as Hayek brilliantly explained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. His book "The Road to Serfdom" is on the basic reading list for
>>>>> prospective Libertarians.
>>>>> <https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/img/Hayek_The_Road_to_Serfdom.pdf>
>>>>> I read it in college, along with "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand:
>>>>> <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.458873> (90 MBytes)
>>>>> Both books convinced me that the default answer to excessive
>>>>> bureaucracy is NOT more bureaucracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is my rubber stamp hiding?
>>>>
>>>> I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in High School. I never read "The
>>>> Road to Serfdom," but I think I will. Thanks for the PDF. I hope it's
>>>> legal. It's now on my Kindle
>>>
>>> After that , his soul mate von MIses:
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/HumanAction
>>
>> I'm a bit of a John Locke, Thomas Hobbes kind of guy... but it was a
>> very long time ago.
>
>Well, yes but humans haven't changed at all.
>
>Compare 1938:
>https://www.history.com/topics/holocaust/kristallnacht
>
>to this afternoon:
>https://nypost.com/2024/04/22/us-news/columbia-university-anti-israel-protesters-5-dramatic-moments-from-a-week-of-chaos/
>
>https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/2024-04-21/live-updates-798178

I've been watching and shaking my head in disgust.

The irony, of course, is that all those moron freaks claiming to stand
with Hamas wouldn't last long actually standing alongside Hamas. I'm
pretty sure that most of them live, promote, or support a lifestyle
that Hamas wouldn't tolerate.

I'm going to ride tomorrow (Wednesday) and I'm going to wear my "I
stand with Israel" shirt with a big blue Star of David on the front.
It aint much, but I have to do something.

On 4/22/2024 11:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 14:49:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/22/2024 2:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 05:44:23 -0400, zen cycle
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/21/2024 10:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:15:06 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "It became essential to regulate the positioning and dimensions of
>>>>>> bottles in order to avoid any deviations and to return bottles to their
>>>>>> principal function."
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what the UCI would think of thin plastic bags or collapsible
>>>>> water bottles. As the rider drinks the water, the bag or bottle
>>>>> shrinks and therefore reduces air resistance.
>>>>
>>>> They do address camel back type systems, but that's 'wearable'.
>>>
>>> I noticed that. However, the UCI failed to mention filling the
>>> handlebars and frame tubes with water. Just replace the handlebar end
>>> caps with a faucet, tap, or spigot (in carbon fiber and titanium of
>>> course).
>>> <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=WFmrurobRA087SKo%2fAXfmw%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.Sf9xYgBYqmrMJAcxy6yL&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
>>> <https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-bicycle-with-a-spigot-at-the-handlebar-ends/1-6626ade996c04501a9fdb47bfd82132c?id=xP5m23DZnX87SAciSOejEg%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&idpclose=1&thId=OIG3.EPB6AmWlQLb8.VQbPAeQ&frame=sydedg&FORM=SYDBIC>
>>> Patent pending.
>
>> My son got me this for xmas
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176302983931
>
> Nice. However, you are expected to drink from the horns, not from the
> cans. Also, the horns can be re-used while the cans require
> recycling:
> <https://grimfrost.com/collections/viking-drinking-horns>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=viking+drinking+horn&tbm=isch>
> Also, the helmet does not appear to be UCI approved for racing.

Funny you should bring this up. In late october 2007 I entered a
"monster dash duathlon" hosted by the Lowell Lions club.

I bought a cheesy viking costume that included a horned helmet, which I
noted was a cheap plastic base helmet with a rubber skull motif and the
horns glued on. I took the helmet apart and glued the horns and skull
onto an old bike helmet.

Since the event wasn't sanctioned by any recognized body, their rule was
only"bicycle helmets must be worn during the bike leg". This met the
criteria, except that I wore the helmet for the duration of the event.

Along with the costume I bought a large plastic broadsword. This is an
image of me crossing the finish line.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1552461367846&set=a.1552461287844

About a hundred yards out I pulled the sword out of the scabbard and
sprinted towards the finish line waving the sword over my head and
screaming a Berserker yell at the top of my lungs.

I got second in my age group, but the best part was people
congratulating me for "the best monsterdash spirit", which they didn't
have an official prize for but was announced at the awards ceremony.

MY wife bought me a drinking horn similar to the ones you have linked as
a gift after the race. I still have it.

>
>

On Mon Apr 22 22:04:34 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/22/2024 1:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Fri Apr 19 19:22:58 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>
> >> Tom, I think you need to fly out east and race Mr. Zen. While you're
> >> with him, he could probably show you how to assemble and adjust your bike.
> >
> > When I could race, Flunky would have had no chance.
>
> "The older I get, the faster I was!" ;-)
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have. I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears. When I recovered they were largely gone. But I could still get pissed at the two racwea taking off and drippingf the group and once in awhile when they had a quarter mile lead I could catch and pass them near the top of the long climb. Today that wouldn't be possible at all. That's why I largely ride alone.

Was I fast? I suppose I was compared to the people I was riding with. But I was a whole lot faster before the poison gas accident.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 06:01:31 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>This is an image of me crossing the finish line.
>https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1552461367846&set=a.1552461287844

I'm getting "Sorry, this content isn't available right now" from the
above Facebook link.
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.

The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>

>I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.

More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
branches.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 4/23/2024 2:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
>
> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
>
>> I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
>
> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
> branches.

+1 lol

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On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
>
> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
>
> >I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
>
> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
> branches.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

As usual, you have nothing of value to add. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles. I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 11:33:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Didn't Joy make her own jerseys? I wonder about the details of hers.

http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/LINJERSY.HTM

Rather more than you wanted to know.

That page is obsolete, but the current version

http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/RUFFTEXT/ROUGH061.HTM

has the pictures few and far between; best start looking at the
bottom, where it's more together.

I also see that I never got around to running it through the
validator.

--
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 10:47:44 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> The old vets in the club I first joined in the 80's lamented the loss of
> the jerseys with front pockets.

If you can get your hands on matching or harmonizing fabric, it is
very easy to add a patch pocket. When permanent-press fabric was new
and startling, I used to sew patch pockets on by hand so I wouldn't
have to iron them, and it didn't take very long.

The third paragraph in
http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/RUFFTEXT/ROUGH011.HTM#seam2seam
has a useful tip for practical pockets; I'm surprised that I haven't
written a tutorial on how to apply the concept to patch pockets.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On 4/23/2024 6:22 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 11:33:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Didn't Joy make her own jerseys? I wonder about the details of hers.
>
> http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/LINJERSY.HTM
>
> Rather more than you wanted to know.
>
> That page is obsolete, but the current version
>
> http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/RUFFTEXT/ROUGH061.HTM
>
> has the pictures few and far between; best start looking at the
> bottom, where it's more together.
>
> I also see that I never got around to running it through the
> validator.
>

Thank you. That was both entertaining and informative!
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/23/2024 7:17 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
>>
>> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
>>
>>> I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
>>
>> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
>> branches.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>
>
>
> As usual, you have nothing of value to add. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.

You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.

You're a wreck.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
>>
>> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
>>
>> >I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
>>
>> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
>> branches.

>[Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.

The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
would "grow very large".

>I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.

Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?

If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning. At
your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued
athletic function and performance.

"The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
and skeletal muscle structure and function"
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
"Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical
capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
athletes is remarkable."

I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
>>>
>>> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
>>>
>>>> I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
>>>
>>> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
>>> branches.
>
>> [Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis
>> Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that
>> Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
>
> The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
> quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
> would "grow very large".
>
>> I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
>
> Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
> to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
> you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?
>
> If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
> you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning. At
> your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
> become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
> continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued
> athletic function and performance.

Even so while road sprinters are more well muscled than other road pros,
its relatively they are still fairly light and so on, even folks like André
Greipel being sub 80kg, track (road sprinters) folks such as Chris Hoy
(both similar height) are 90Kg+ and are certainly at that point well
muscled.

My wife remembers watching Chris Hoy effortlessly carry the flag out during
the Olympics without needing the strap to help him as he was so strong.

DH racers are close but not as heavy as the Track sprinters though XC folks
are road bike build such as Tom Pidcock

And Rugby players are another 10kg if not more above the Track ie 100kg
with the big boys ie forwards topping out at 130kg give or take.

To further illustrate Tom claim or lack of evidence road climbers be they
Pros or UK National hill climb championships are very light weight folks
who aren’t going to win any arm wrestling competitions!
>
> "The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
> and skeletal muscle structure and function"
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
> "Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
> loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
> degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
> performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
> before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical
> capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
> athletes is remarkable."
>
> I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
> deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
> didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.
>
>
Roger Merriman

On 4/24/2024 1:01 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
>>>
>>> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
>>>
>>>> I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
>>>
>>> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
>>> branches.
>
>> [Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
>
> The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
> quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
> would "grow very large".

To recap:
Tommy couldn't remember the name of the muscle structure and came up
with triceps (which he spelled wrong). You corrected him on it, then
rather than admit he made a mistake, tried to blame you for not knowing
what he was talking about.

Of course, you _did_ know what he meant to write (as did the rest of
us). Again, rather than admit he was wrong, he dug out a picture on-line
picked out one muscle of the group in an attempt to sound informed, and
as usual failed miserably.

If tommy _did_ know what he was talking about, he would have written
'sprinters grow rather large quadriceps'.

If he wanted to sound even more informed, he would have written
'sprinters grow large Rectus femoris, Vastus lateralis, and Vastus
medialis'.

Handy little chart here:
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/the-primary-muscles-used-for-cycling-and-how-to-train-them/

Note the article and the linked article
(https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/the-best-strength-exercises-for-cyclists/)
echo your claim "It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group would
"grow very large"", as the only reference to a specific muscle in the
qudraceps group from either article is power at a high cadence will put
additional focus on the rectus femoris.

>
>> I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
>
> Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
> to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
> you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?
>
> If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
> you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning.

As you note, cycling wouldn't build one specific muscle of the quad group.

At
> your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
> become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
> continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued
> athletic function and performance.
>
> "The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
> and skeletal muscle structure and function"
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
> "Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
> loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
> degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
> performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
> before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical
> capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
> athletes is remarkable."
>
> I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
> deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
> didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.
>
>

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On Tue Apr 23 22:01:56 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:17:37 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
> >>
> >> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
> >>
> >> >I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
> >>
> >> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
> >> branches.
>
> >[Insult deleted]. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
>
> The vastus medialis muscle is one of the four muscles of the
> quadriceps group. It's unlikely that only one muscle of the group
> would "grow very large".
>
> >I cannot remember sprinting so climbing in large gears bur also be valuable.
>
> Could I trouble you to decode that into something intelligible? Try
> to relax as you seem to make more typo errors when agitated. Also, do
> you consider the use of a spelling checker to be a leftist conspiracy?
>
> If your vastus medialis muscles show signs of excessive enlargement,
> you are likely grinding your way up the hills instead of spinning. At
> your advanced age, the muscles tend to atrophy, lose muscle tone and
> become flabby. While it is possible to maintain muscle tone,
> continued physical activity by itself is not a guarantee of continued
> athletic function and performance.
>
> "The aging of elite male athletes: age-related changes in performance
> and skeletal muscle structure and function"
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3928819/>
> "Life long physical activity does not appear to have any impact on the
> loss in fiber number. The loss of fibers can be buffered to some
> degree by hypertrophy of fibers that remain. Surprisingly, the
> performance of elite athletes in all sports appears to be impaired
> before the onset of the fiber loss. Even with major losses in physical
> capacity and muscle mass, the performance of elite and masters
> athletes is remarkable."
>
> I think I now see why you abruptly closed your Strava account and
> deleted your data. You couldn't maintain the required regimen and
> didn't want anyone to notice the associated performance deterioration.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

It is amusing that someone that doesn't ride a bike or weight train can tell us all about body muscles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI

On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/23/2024 7:17 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
> >>
> >> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
> >>
> >>> I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
> >>
> >> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
> >> branches.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As usual, you have nothing of value to add. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
>
> You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
> said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.
>
> You're a wreck.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI

On 4/24/2024 11:30 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
>> said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.
>>
>> You're a wreck.
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI

Are you trying for some Non Sequitur Nonsense award?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/24/2024 3:23 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/24/2024 11:30 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>
>>> You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
>>> said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more
>>> insults.
>>>
>>> You're a wreck.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI
>
> Are you trying for some Non Sequitur Nonsense award?
>

I didn't bother. More covid conspiracy nonsense?

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:23:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/24/2024 11:30 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
>>> said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.
>>>
>>> You're a wreck.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbh_NB6LNaI

>Are you trying for some Non Sequitur Nonsense award?

Tom might be practicing for the Olympic gold medal in topic switching.

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue Apr 23 22:32:17 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/23/2024 7:17 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tue Apr 23 11:23:59 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:18 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had those huge tricepts that sprinters have.
> >>
> >> The triceps are in the arms, not the legs.
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triceps>
> >>
> >>> I suppose I got them from climbing hills in large gears.
> >>
> >> More likely you got them from climbing trees and swinging between
> >> branches.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As usual, you have nothing of value to add. That's your entire life. I meant the Vastus Medialis Muscle . If you had any real interest in cycling you'd know that Sprinters grow very lar5ge Vastus Medialis muscles.
>
> You screwed up yet again. And if you were halfway normal, you'd have
> said something like "Oops, you're right." Instead you tossed more insults.
>
> You're a wreck.

Gee Frank, when was the las time you appologized for making a mistake. Instead like the rediculous make believe you are you point out typos as if that was extremely important. Isn't it time for your weekly 5 mile ride with your "friends" that laugh at you behind your back?

On Mon Apr 22 07:42:11 2024 AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
> >>>> telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
> >>>> large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
> >>>
> >>> Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
> >>> I'm sure there
> >>> are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
> >>
> >> Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
> >> KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
> >
> > Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
> > snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
> > ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
> > instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
> >
> > Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
> > physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
> >
>
> I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex
> phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
>
> https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
>
> albeit overstated.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> am@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

I sort of agree with you that this isn't a good place to discuss covid-19 but where is. Blood clotting was not a rare side effect. And those vaccines were administerred to Billionsillions of people causing the unmistakable deaths of millions.

It immediately became apparent that one out of every 800 people were dying from effects of the vaccines! Normally an acceptable number is one out of 100,000. And in child vacciunes less than one out of 10 million.

Almost all of the present excess deaths are to people under 40.And as I pointed out long ago, it is causing an AIDS-like syndrome that is pretty much unstoppable because RgG4 antibodies are telling your immune system not to repair the dammage from the vaccine.

Now remember that most countries are signers of the Geneva Convention Treaty. This forbids GMOs except under special licensed cases. That is why Fauci took it to China. They are not a member of the Geneva onvention.

The "vaccines" are nothing of the sort but are themselves GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)

Do you know what China did to protect themselves? They simply inujected the spike protein which gave them protection via the immune sydtem against the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

Why did the vaccine companies illegally use an unnecessary GMO? Money.And the pretense that mRNA might become useful.Transcroiption of DNA to RNA is a known chemistry and the same enzumes work both ways. So putting mRNA into your body guarantees that you are changing the human genome. This causes any multiple number of illnesses from death of one friend from blood clots after 26 days to another friend's failure of a nerve pathway to his left leg, to sudden and severe cancer now known as Turbo Cancer in any number of locations. People are DYING from skin cancver which was unheard of because it was simply cut off of the affected area.

SARS Cov-2 IS NOT a dangerous virus I've had it twice, it is a respiratory virus and I have damaged lungs and it was no big deal. The vaccines ARE a huge deal espedcially if you took more than two shots.

On Sun Apr 21 17:53:14 2024 zen cycle wrote:
> On 4/21/2024 4:30 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Fri Apr 19 22:25:42 2024 zen cycle wrote:
>
> >>>
> >> He's been banned from every other moderated group
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there anything that you know the first thing about?
>
> Yes, I know your were in jail for two years, then lied about having a
> concussion from a bike accident, and that you have in fact been banned
> from every other moderated group you post to.
>
> > Is there anything you won't lie about?
>
> Right back atcha, asshole.
>
>
> > When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
>
> Dear fucking moron,
> I worked for the Telecommunication Network Test Division which became
> part of Agilent. After the tech bubble burst, Agilent shut down the vast
> majority of their TNT group in a massive layoff that affected over 4000
> employees. Our office was part of the division designing and building
> SONET test gear based in Queensferry Scotland that eventually got shut
> down. Everyone was laid off.
>
> Here's the press release
> https://www.eetimes.com/agilent-job-cuts-blamed-on-worst-industry-downturn/
>
> "Agilent Technologies plans to axe 4000 staff, 9% of its global
> workforce. The company, which employs 2000 staff at its plant in South
> Queensferry, Scotland, says the job cuts will occur between now and the
> middle of next year."
>
> "Around half the job losses will be in the US."
>
> Perhaps you should reconsider disappearing from this forum. You've been
> nothing but ignorantly disruptive since you reappeared.
>
> > Considering your almost complete incompetence in evgerything that wouldn't be surprising. You're nothing but a bureaucrat hired > to do nothing but sign off paperwork. Poor pitiful little idiot.
>
> And you're a convicted criminal, a drunkard, and a liar.
>
> Tell us again how your investments are making $12000 a month
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ
>
> cycl...@yahoo.com Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36?AM
> " now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."
>
> Tell again about how competent your electronic skills are, here, I'll
> help refresh your memory where you wrote TDR means "time delay reflection"
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/f_tByXh5jXo/m/9Y4EzuUJCAAJ
>
> Tell us again how you "no one" can reliably tighten carbon handlebars,
> or how a dent in your top tube disappeared by riding the bike, or how
> your shifting improved after you bought special Campagnolo non-stretch
> shifter cables.
>
> Have another drink, you worthless piece of shit.
>
>
> >
> >
>

Who do you think you're kidding? H-P NEVER fired competent engineers, they simply moved them to another division. Tell me, did they tell you that they were sorry but they had to let you go and that they would give you a "good" resume which in fact was less than mediocur? Just good enough to protect them from a lawsuit?

Look it isn't as if I don't know the answer - your inability to understand that simple C program and then your bullshit claim that it was too simple for you to ponder over told the entire story?

H-P is one of the top notch comapnnies and virtually every posting you make, shows that you are anything but "top notch".

Then your claim that I was in jail for two years is actionable and you're too stupid to know that.

On Sun Apr 21 14:35:24 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:30:34 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >When you told us that you worked for HP I saw right through you. NO ONE "worked for" HP. That company is so high class the NO ONE leaves it. The ONLY way that you could have "worked for" HP is if they fired you.
>
> [Insults deleted]
>
> Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak both quit HP in order to start Apple.
> More generally, much of the Silicon Valley was built by startups who's
> founders came from HP.
>
> List of companies that were founded by former HP employees:
> "HP Alumni Founded Companies"
> <https://www.crunchbase.com/hub/hp-alumni-founded-companies>
>
> I don't know where you obtained your illusions about HP, but things
> are nothing near your claim that HP is a employee paradise. For
> example:
>
> "HP Sues Employees for Leaving"
> <https://blogs.cisco.com/news/hp-sues-employees-for-leaving>
> "It?s a sad day when great companies think they need to sue their own
> employees over and over again to stop them from bettering themselves
> in their chosen profession."
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Why didn't you work for them if they are so low class. And employees quiting and taking company information with them is actionable. Jobs WAS A FUCKING TECHNICIAN not the tecfhnical whiz you think he is. Wozniak at the time was a Jr. Engineer.

My very first project was 25 times more complicated. But Wozniak coulkd read C and neither you nor Flunky can.

On 5/1/2024 4:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Mon Apr 22 07:42:11 2024 AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be
>>>>>> telling us how all of the recent medical studies showing
>>>>>> large increases in cancer from the mRNA vaccines...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group.
>>>>> I'm sure there
>>>>> are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
>>>>
>>>> Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can
>>>> KILL you if you accept those vaccines.
>>>
>>> Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county
>>> snowplow to scrape rider corpses off the road so they could
>>> ride. If only those people had listened to Tom Kunich
>>> instead of their physicians with those silly medical degrees!
>>>
>>> Won't they let you post on the forums where actual
>>> physicians post? Is that why you spew medical nonsense here?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex
>> phenomenon but there's a grain of truth in it:
>>
>> https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
>>
>> albeit overstated.

>
>
> I sort of agree with you that this isn't a good place to discuss covid-19 but where is. Blood clotting was not a rare side effect. And those vaccines were administerred to Billionsillions of people causing the unmistakable deaths of millions.
>
> It immediately became apparent that one out of every 800 people were dying from effects of the vaccines! Normally an acceptable number is one out of 100,000. And in child vacciunes less than one out of 10 million.
>
> Almost all of the present excess deaths are to people under 40.And as I pointed out long ago, it is causing an AIDS-like syndrome that is pretty much unstoppable because RgG4 antibodies are telling your immune system not to repair the dammage from the vaccine.
>
> Now remember that most countries are signers of the Geneva Convention Treaty. This forbids GMOs except under special licensed cases. That is why Fauci took it to China. They are not a member of the Geneva onvention.
>
> The "vaccines" are nothing of the sort but are themselves GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms)
>
> Do you know what China did to protect themselves? They simply inujected the spike protein which gave them protection via the immune sydtem against the SARS-Cov-2 virus.
>
> Why did the vaccine companies illegally use an unnecessary GMO? Money.And the pretense that mRNA might become useful.Transcroiption of DNA to RNA is a known chemistry and the same enzumes work both ways. So putting mRNA into your body guarantees that you are changing the human genome. This causes any multiple number of illnesses from death of one friend from blood clots after 26 days to another friend's failure of a nerve pathway to his left leg, to sudden and severe cancer now known as Turbo Cancer in any number of locations. People are DYING from skin cancver which was unheard of because it was simply cut off of the affected area.
>
> SARS Cov-2 IS NOT a dangerous virus I've had it twice, it is a respiratory virus and I have damaged lungs and it was no big deal. The vaccines ARE a huge deal espedcially if you took more than two shots.

There's a lot of that sort of thing in the popular press but
I happened to read a piece last evening by Dr Joseph Wang
(10 years microbiologist in vaccine development) which
referenced the recent Japan study. Japan has the world's
highest Pfizer mRNA shot incidence and has extensive whole
population (123 million) medical data for almost all Japanese.

Here's the actual paper, no paywall:

https://www.cureus.com/articles/196275-increased-age-adjusted-cancer-mortality-after-the-third-mrna-lipid-nanoparticle-vaccine-dose-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-japan#!/

--
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am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon Apr 22 12:47:25 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
> On 4/22/2024 8:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/21/2024 9:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 4/21/2024 4:19 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Fri Apr 19 19:20:03 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 4/19/2024 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why are you talking about bicycles? Shouldn't you be telling us how
> >>>>> all of the recent medical studies showing large increases in cancer
> >>>>> from the mRNA vaccines...
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, it IS supposed to be a bicycle discussion group. I'm sure there
> >>>> are mRNA discussion groups. Won't they let you post there?
> >>>
> >>> Frank, bicycling is an excercise and mRNA vaccines can KILL you if
> >>> you accept those vaccines.
> >>
> >> Right, on Friday's club ride, they called for a county snowplow to
> >> scrape rider corpses off the road so they could ride. If only those
> >> people had listened to Tom Kunich instead of their physicians with
> >> those silly medical degrees!
> >>
> >> Won't they let you post on the forums where actual physicians post? Is
> >> that why you spew medical nonsense here?
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure this is the best forum to discuss a complex phenomenon but
> > there's a grain of truth in it:
> >
> > https://www.livescience.com/health/coronavirus/rare-clotting-effect-of-early-covid-shots-finally-explained-what-could-that-mean-for-future-vaccines
> >
> > albeit overstated.
>
> There's no grain of truth to tommy's fear mongering. Tommy thinks
> everyone who get the vaccine will die from the vaccine. IMO the article
> isn't overstaing the issue.
>
> The takeaways from the article are:
>
> "The vaccine-related clotting disorder, known as vaccine-induced immune
> thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT), was rare and linked to two shots:
> the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines."
>
> "Neither vaccine is currently administered in the U.S. (AstraZeneca's
> shot was never used in the country, and J&J's vaccine was authorized but
> then retired due to the clotting issue and availability of better
> vaccines.)"
>
> "Researchers reported that about 1 in 50,000 people under 50 who
> received the vaccine were affected [with VITT], as well as about 1 in
> 100,000 of those 50 and older."
>
> A rare side affect from two vaccines no longer used, one of which was
> never used in the US.
>
> So addressing the demographic in this forum, _if_ you got the J&J
> vaccine you stood a .001% chance of developing a rare blood clot disorder.
>
> If you developed that rare blood clotting disorder, you had about a 50%
> chance of permanent severe disability or death.
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-022-00491-z
>
>
> --
> Add xx to reply
>

Again showing your expertise in medical matters. After the government made trillionaires out of Pfizer and Moderna one might find it funny that the ONLY companies that made traditional vaccines were found at fault, but you're not even bright enough to ask such questions.