On 5/1/2024 3:52 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/1/2024 11:31 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Tell us Frank, what do you know about alternate universes?
>
> I know you live in one!  :-)
>

Where dents pop out of top tubes from riding the bike.
Where tire sealant always stays at the bottom of the tire while riding.
Where aluminum oxide is combustible.
etc...
etc...
etc...

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On 4/30/2024 10:14 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:03:47 -0400, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2024 12:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> One problem with such discussions is that it's much easier to disprove
>>> something than to prove it. To prove something correct, it is
>>> necessary to prove ALL the claims. If one claim suspected of being
>>> wrong, all the other claims become suspect and are likely to be
>>> summarily dismissed as also wrong. That makes disproving something
>>> much easier as only one false or suspect claim is all that's necessary
>>> for the house of cards to collapse.
>
>> Doesn't seem to have stopped the theists.
>
> It never will. Dogma carries on forever.
>
> What really happens is that the true believers are granted their
> favorite wish, which is to meet and be judged by God(tm) and his
> authorized representatives. The usual result is a stern lecture by
> God(tm) rebuking the recently deceased loyal follower for the cost of
> their re-education so that they might learn to think for
> independently. The cost of dealing with the dogmatics, fanatics,
> inflexibles, unteachables, etc is both astronomical and limitless.
> It's only after this point that the true believers realize the error
> of their ways and begin thinking properly.
>
>> (IOW - where does that leave god?)
>
> Same as always and living off the proceeds from the sale of
> indulgences to the true believers by God's self-authorized
> representatives.
>

IOW, their karma ran over their dogma.
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On 5/1/2024 3:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/1/2024 12:46 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> I vaguely recall a minor scene in the _Hitchhiker's Guide_
>>> novels, where a powerful galactic race assembled a vast and mighty fleet
>>> of starships to mount a well-planned and devastating attack on earth;
>>> but found, to their destruction, that they were much tinier than a
>>> sheepdog's flea. Or something like that.
>>>
>>
>> Correct though note that Hitch hikers guide to the Galaxy is a radio play
>> with book/film adaptions ie cut down/abridged for those formats.
>
> Right. I enjoyed the books, but could never get into the other formats.
>

I enjoyed the BBC series, and have to say I enjoyed Sam Rockwell as
Zaphod Beeblebrox in the movie.

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On Wed, 01 May 2024 17:00:08 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

>I read and I also write. I'm doing the final editing of my latest book
>right now.

It's difficult to write science fiction. In order to do so, one must
have a good understanding of multiple scientific disciplines,
sociology, psychology, insider buzz words, etc. A good example is
"The Martian", where Andy Weir did an excellent job of presenting the
technology, characters likely actions, the NASA bureaucracy, orbital
dynamics, etc very realistically. The original story was written
online with plenty of help from unpaid contributors. Recommended
reading:

"Story Marketing 101: Andy Weir and the successful failure of The
Martian"
<https://bookawardpro.com/blog/story-marketing-101-andy-weir-and-the-successful-failure-of-the-martian/>

>I'm a realist so I have no use for science fiction of any kind. And
>as a realist, I also have no use for most "realism" TV, although
>sometimes I do watch "Cops," and it's new version called "Live PD."

Among my acquaintances, there are a few that still read science
fiction. Most of them had technical backgrounds. I suspect some gave
up on science fiction when hard science morphed into social fiction
and space opera. At least, that was my excuse.

Best of luck on your new book.

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thu, 02 May 2024 20:34:52 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 01 May 2024 17:00:08 -0400, Catrike Ryder
><Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>>I read and I also write. I'm doing the final editing of my latest book
>>right now.
>
>It's difficult to write science fiction. In order to do so, one must
>have a good understanding of multiple scientific disciplines,
>sociology, psychology, insider buzz words, etc. A good example is
>"The Martian", where Andy Weir did an excellent job of presenting the
>technology, characters likely actions, the NASA bureaucracy, orbital
>dynamics, etc very realistically. The original story was written
>online with plenty of help from unpaid contributors. Recommended
>reading:
>
>"Story Marketing 101: Andy Weir and the successful failure of The
>Martian"
><https://bookawardpro.com/blog/story-marketing-101-andy-weir-and-the-successful-failure-of-the-martian/>
>
>>I'm a realist so I have no use for science fiction of any kind. And
>>as a realist, I also have no use for most "realism" TV, although
>>sometimes I do watch "Cops," and it's new version called "Live PD."
>
>Among my acquaintances, there are a few that still read science
>fiction. Most of them had technical backgrounds. I suspect some gave
>up on science fiction when hard science morphed into social fiction
>and space opera. At least, that was my excuse.
>
>Best of luck on your new book.
THank you.

On 5/2/2024 10:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 01 May 2024 17:00:08 -0400, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>
>> I read and I also write. I'm doing the final editing of my latest book
>> right now.
>
> It's difficult to write science fiction. In order to do so, one must
> have a good understanding of multiple scientific disciplines,
> sociology, psychology, insider buzz words, etc. A good example is
> "The Martian", where Andy Weir did an excellent job of presenting the
> technology, characters likely actions, the NASA bureaucracy, orbital
> dynamics, etc very realistically. The original story was written
> online with plenty of help from unpaid contributors. Recommended
> reading:
>
> "Story Marketing 101: Andy Weir and the successful failure of The
> Martian"
> <https://bookawardpro.com/blog/story-marketing-101-andy-weir-and-the-successful-failure-of-the-martian/>
>
>> I'm a realist so I have no use for science fiction of any kind. And
>> as a realist, I also have no use for most "realism" TV, although
>> sometimes I do watch "Cops," and it's new version called "Live PD."
>
> Among my acquaintances, there are a few that still read science
> fiction. Most of them had technical backgrounds. I suspect some gave
> up on science fiction when hard science morphed into social fiction
> and space opera. At least, that was my excuse.
>
> Best of luck on your new book.
>

The IPCC has flooded the market for fantasy.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

> On 5/2/2024 10:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 17:00:08 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I read and I also write. I'm doing the final editing of my latest book
>>> right now.
>> It's difficult to write science fiction. In order to do so, one
>> must
>> have a good understanding of multiple scientific disciplines,
>> sociology, psychology, insider buzz words, etc. A good example is
>> "The Martian", where Andy Weir did an excellent job of presenting the
>> technology, characters likely actions, the NASA bureaucracy, orbital
>> dynamics, etc very realistically. The original story was written
>> online with plenty of help from unpaid contributors. Recommended
>> reading:
>> "Story Marketing 101: Andy Weir and the successful failure of The
>> Martian"
>> <https://bookawardpro.com/blog/story-marketing-101-andy-weir-and-the-successful-failure-of-the-martian/>
>>
>>> I'm a realist so I have no use for science fiction of any kind. And
>>> as a realist, I also have no use for most "realism" TV, although
>>> sometimes I do watch "Cops," and it's new version called "Live PD."
>> Among my acquaintances, there are a few that still read science
>> fiction. Most of them had technical backgrounds. I suspect some gave
>> up on science fiction when hard science morphed into social fiction
>> and space opera. At least, that was my excuse.
>> Best of luck on your new book.
>>
>
> The IPCC has flooded the market for fantasy.

The IPCC, at least aside from the "Summary for Policymakers", is much
more restrained than the press.

A good article, from a heretic, but not a complete "climate denialist":

https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/what-the-ipcc-actually-says-about

Of course, if you have the patience you can read straight from the
horse's mouth:

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

On 5/3/2024 9:25 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2024 07:43:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> The IPCC has flooded the market for fantasy.
>
> Not flooded, but getting there. Apparently AI is being used to create
> fake papers that look reasonable.
>
> "AI Writes Scientific Papers That Sound Great but Aren’t Accurate"
> <https://time.com/6695917/chatgpt-ai-scientific-study/>
>
> For a time, papers suitable for retraction were identified by the
> number or percentage of retracted references and citations found at
> the bottom of each paper. (Positive feedback). I haven't searched
> for retracted papers involving the IPCC.
>
> "Identifying Retracted Journal Articles"
> <https://mclibrary.duke.edu/about/blog/identifying-retracted-journal-articles>
> "This database currently contains over 47,000 retracted articles
> tagged with reason(s) for retraction..."
> "Nature News reported that more than 10,000 research papers were
> retracted in 2023."
>

Yes, outright fraud and/or ineptitude (un reproduceable
results) has become a plague among academic papers, some
subset of which are them withdrawn. This is a widely noted
problem and has resisted rectification. One of a few
hundred current examples:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00716-2

That said, in the field of theology of climate religion (aka
The Greenies), no one planning for a career with government
grants is ever going to rock that boat.

--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 3 May 2024 07:43:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>The IPCC has flooded the market for fantasy.

Not flooded, but getting there. Apparently AI is being used to create
fake papers that look reasonable.

"AI Writes Scientific Papers That Sound Great but Aren’t Accurate"
<https://time.com/6695917/chatgpt-ai-scientific-study/>

For a time, papers suitable for retraction were identified by the
number or percentage of retracted references and citations found at
the bottom of each paper. (Positive feedback). I haven't searched
for retracted papers involving the IPCC.

"Identifying Retracted Journal Articles"
<https://mclibrary.duke.edu/about/blog/identifying-retracted-journal-articles>
"This database currently contains over 47,000 retracted articles
tagged with reason(s) for retraction..."
"Nature News reported that more than 10,000 research papers were
retracted in 2023."

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 3 May 2024 09:54:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/3/2024 9:25 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 07:43:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The IPCC has flooded the market for fantasy.
>>
>> Not flooded, but getting there. Apparently AI is being used to create
>> fake papers that look reasonable.
>>
>> "AI Writes Scientific Papers That Sound Great but Aren’t Accurate"
>> <https://time.com/6695917/chatgpt-ai-scientific-study/>
>>
>> For a time, papers suitable for retraction were identified by the
>> number or percentage of retracted references and citations found at
>> the bottom of each paper. (Positive feedback). I haven't searched
>> for retracted papers involving the IPCC.
>>
>> "Identifying Retracted Journal Articles"
>> <https://mclibrary.duke.edu/about/blog/identifying-retracted-journal-articles>
>> "This database currently contains over 47,000 retracted articles
>> tagged with reason(s) for retraction..."
>> "Nature News reported that more than 10,000 research papers were
>> retracted in 2023."

>Yes, outright fraud and/or ineptitude (un reproduceable
>results) has become a plague among academic papers, some
>subset of which are them withdrawn. This is a widely noted
>problem and has resisted rectification. One of a few
>hundred current examples:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00716-2

I left out the punch line.
"Everybody lies, but that doesn't matter because nobody listens".

One fairly new feature of climate change is legislation intended to
solve environmental problems. If anything, the poorly written
legislation has created more problems than it has solved. The plastic
bag bans come to mind:

"How California's plastic bag ban made plastic waste worse"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3CsO_A6UVo>
Incidentally, I save and reuse paper shopping bags. I put check marks
on my bags to count how many times the bag was used. 11 times is my
highest number and 6 times is my average. The problem is that the bag
handles are poorly glued to the bag. Lift the bag by one handle and
the easily peels away from the bag. When I quizzed a random
assortment of friends, they claim they would re-use the paper bags
more often if they would last longer.

>That said, in the field of theology of climate religion (aka
>The Greenies), no one planning for a career with government
>grants is ever going to rock that boat.

Yep. That happens at all government levels. It's also a problem in
industry where nobody senior enough to consider company funded
retirement is going to make waves just before retirement.

Bottom line: We're all doomed by our good intentions.

Gone for a trudge in the park. This time, I checked if it's the right
day and time.

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On 5/3/2024 11:50 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I save and reuse paper shopping bags. I put check marks
> on my bags to count how many times the bag was used. 11 times is my
> highest number and 6 times is my average. The problem is that the bag
> handles are poorly glued to the bag. Lift the bag by one handle and
> the easily peels away from the bag. When I quizzed a random
> assortment of friends, they claim they would re-use the paper bags
> more often if they would last longer.

You could add staples.

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On 5/3/2024 6:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2024 15:56:53 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2024 11:50 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I save and reuse paper shopping bags. I put check marks
>>> on my bags to count how many times the bag was used. 11 times is my
>>> highest number and 6 times is my average. The problem is that the bag
>>> handles are poorly glued to the bag. Lift the bag by one handle and
>>> the easily peels away from the bag. When I quizzed a random
>>> assortment of friends, they claim they would re-use the paper bags
>>> more often if they would last longer.
>
>> You could add staples.
>
> Nope. The staple act as a stress riser, concentrating the load on the
> staple wire. Once the rip starts, the bag rips open. The most
> effective and cheap solution is to glue the paper handles to the paper
> bag. That distributes the load and reduces the chances of starting a
> tear.

I'd give the added staples a try. Adding glue to a paper handle that's
already glued seems fussy and time consuming at best. You can whack four
staples into each handle-to-bag joint in about 30 seconds to see if it
helps.

I don't seem to have a paper bag with glued-on handles, so I just now
sliced a two-layer ribbon out of the lapped seam of a paper bag, to
simulate a handle. I used four staples to attach it to a single layer of
the bag, clamped the bag in a vise and pulled with a fish scale. It
required eight pounds to rip it loose. That's with no glue. Sounds like
with two handles, two ends each, you might be looking at well over 25
pounds capacity even without glue.

Not that it matters much to me. I've got other bags, including the
demonized plastic ones. Our grocery _claims_ they recycle them, which I
doubt. I think they're fine as long as they're not let loose into the
world.

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On 5/3/2024 4:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/3/2024 2:36 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wed May 1 15:52:24 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2024 11:31 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> Tell us Frank, what do you know about alternate universes?
>>>
>>> I know you live in one!  :-)
>>>
>>
>> So Frank, who is it living in an alternate universe?
>>
>> We all rememember you saying that you had to "prepare" yourself to
>> ride though some minority areas in Youngstown and then after you were
>> critized for that, rewording and tried to make it sound as if it were
>> nothing more than pumping up your tires.
>
> Tom, I rode through minority neighborhoods every time I bicycled to work
> and back. Yes, I did make sure my tires were pumped. I also made sure my
> briefcase was securely bungeed to my rear rack, and that my office
> casual pants were safety pinned to keep them out of the chain. What else
> do you imagine I might have done?
>
> As to what you "remember": Anybody here with any sense knows you can't
> tell your memory from your imagination. If you have a link to my post
> about preparing myself, give it to us so we can see actual wording and
> context.
>
> Until then, please return to the universe in which you are so wealthy
> that you _don't_ have to complain about your hellhole neighborhood, the
> rocks being pumped into your water pipes, the horrible motorists that
> you somehow know are all illegal immigrants, and where big corporations
> are frequently offering you lucrative jobs that you somehow never accept.
>

And Where dents pop out of top tubes from riding the bike.
And Where tire sealant always stays at the bottom of the tire while riding.
And Where aluminum oxide is combustible.
etc...
etc...
etc...
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On Mon Apr 29 20:35:26 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 22:03:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 4/29/2024 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 12:18:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/28/2024 11:40 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I beg to partially differ. If we assume that all the known elements
> >>>> are present in roughly the same distributions throughout the universe,
> >>>> there's a good chance that self-replicating life processes will be
> >>>> built using the same elements as on planet Earth. "Carbon atoms are
> >>>> unique because they can bond together to form very long, durable
> >>>> chains that can have branches or rings of various sizes and often
> >>>> contain thousands of carbon atoms."
> >>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/139290a0.pdf>
> >>>> The emergence of life is possible with comparatively inferior elements
> >>>> but the main building block will mostly likely be a stable atom that
> >>>> will build the strongest and move versatile bonds to other atoms.
> >>
> >>> Agreed. I confess to low talent for chemistry. But I've not yet heard of
> >>> a detailed proposal for a chemistry of life built on anything but carbon.
> >>>
> >>> If someone here has such a proposal, I'd happily run it by the chemists
> >>> in our family.
> >>
> >> Did you search for "silicon based life"? There is quite a bit on the
> >> possible existence of Silicon based life:
> >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=possibility+of+silicon+based+life>
>
> >I've read about the possibilities of silicon for decades now, but I've
> >never seen details on exactly how it would form the hugely complex
> >molecules necessary for life, let alone self-replicate them.
>
> That's easy. Take a complex hydrocarbon, probably an amino acid, rip
> out the carbon atom and replace it with a silicon atom. Keep the
> results away from water. The double helix zipper should work as well
> for silicon as it does for carbon.
>
> The possibilities of human powered flight goes back to the Greeks and
> Icarus in approx 8 CE. It wasn't until 1898, when Otto Lilianthal
> built a glider that worked more than once. The first human powered
> flight was in 1961 by Derek Piggot using pedal power. During those 19
> centuries between mythology and something that actually flew, humanity
> wasn't idle. The wise and the brave made their attempts and usually
> failed. That didn't discourage their successor. Everyone knew that
> it could be done. They just didn't know how. Eventually, the magic
> formula for human powered flight was discovered and progress lurched
> forward at an incredible rate. For 19 centuries, progress was
> measured in false hopes, crashes, fatalities and discouragement from
> those who should have known better:
> "Premature Judgment"
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Premature-Judgement.txt>
> There are about 10 quotes, from the eminent luminaries of their times,
> indicating that flight was impossible. For example:
>
> "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible."
> -- Lord Kelvin
>
> I suggest you print a copy of the above quotes, and read them whenever
> you fell compelled to discourage progress or claim that something is
> impossible, impractical or useless. I also read it when dealing with
> a long succession of failures and dismal results. The road to success
> it littered with the wreckage of past failures. The trick is to not
> trip over the wreckage.
>
> >Those are the details I'd like to run by the chemists I know.
>
> Why? Are they sufficiently imaginative to contrive a solution to the
> silicon life problem? That's the problem with experts. If they can't
> design something that works, they immediately assume that nobody else
> can. That's what Dr Lindemann did when he analyzed the aerial photos
> of the V2 on the ground and declared that it was too heavy to get off
> the ground because he assume that it was powered by cordite, not
> ethanol and LOX.
>
> >Most of the articles I find on quick search say silicon based life _may_
> >be possible, but is highly unlikely.
>
> You don't need an expert to tell you that silicon based life is
> impossible. You only need an expert to verify that your proposed
> solution has a chance of working. That's what design reviews are for.
> Also, if you are sufficiently desperate that you need the advice of an
> expert, then you are not sufficiently informed, educated or
> experienced about the problems. Ask your expert to explain to you the
> problems involved in creating a silicon based life form on earth and
> in a possible alien environment. You're likely to learn more from a
> list of potential problems and possible solutions than from an
> expert's summary judgment.
>
> Now, print out the premature judgment list in the above URL. Most of
> the names listed were at the peak of their profession in their day.
> Look them up with Google to convince yourself that they are real. Ask
> yourself "what were they thinking when they said that?" In some
> cases, they had good reason to give the wrong advice, usually the
> result of being involved in a previous failure. Like Lindemann, they
> assumed that if they had failed, then everyone after them will also
> fail.
>
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> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeffy, the Earth's crust is made up of 30% silicon. Carbon makes up a vanishingly small percentage. Any thinkintg person would have known that if silicon COULD be used in any kind of lifeform it would have. But you have to explain to everyone that not only is it possible but it is probable despite the entire earth being covered in a life form made up entirely of a rare mineral. I'm sure that you can find something even dumber to say and Flunky would support your comments but unfortunatly God has decreed otherwise.

On Fri, 3 May 2024 15:56:53 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/3/2024 11:50 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> Incidentally, I save and reuse paper shopping bags. I put check marks
>> on my bags to count how many times the bag was used. 11 times is my
>> highest number and 6 times is my average. The problem is that the bag
>> handles are poorly glued to the bag. Lift the bag by one handle and
>> the easily peels away from the bag. When I quizzed a random
>> assortment of friends, they claim they would re-use the paper bags
>> more often if they would last longer.

>You could add staples.

Nope. The staple act as a stress riser, concentrating the load on the
staple wire. Once the rip starts, the bag rips open. The most
effective and cheap solution is to glue the paper handles to the paper
bag. That distributes the load and reduces the chances of starting a
tear.

However, the bag manufactory (International Paper) has decided that
less paper and therefore less strength is the proper solution, even if
it reduces the useful life of the bag. The logic is probably
something like "Nobody re-uses paper bags, so why bother making it
last longer?" To the stockholders and customers (Safeway/Albertsons),
short term economics rules.

As a result of short term thinking, International Paper has
effectively sabotaged the design.
<https://www.internationalpaper.com>
1. A tear along the top edge of the bag will destroy the bag every
time. That bag needs a thicker grade of paper and some fiber mesh
reinforcement.
2. The paper glue used is brittle. Apply the glue too thick and it
will crack and rip out a patch of paper. Apply the glue too thin and
the handle falls off. Either way, the bag is trash.
3. The paper is impregnated with some kind of oil to keep moisture
(leaks) from soaking into the paper and reducing its strength.
4. The standard market solution for all the aforementioned
deficiencies is to "double bag" which wastes twice as much paper.

So far, the best I can contrive to solve these (and other) problems is
to:
1. Switch to a flexible waterproof glue, such as contact cement.
2. Glue the handles on the INSIDE of the bag, not the outside, for
improved peel strength.
3. Possibly add a wire or fiber mess for strength.
4. Cardboard or chipboard insert for the bottom of the bag to better
distribute the load and to prevent sharp objects from penetrating the
bottom.
5. Make the bag out of non-corrugated water resistant chipboard
instead of paper. Essentially a frozen food style box instead of a
bag.

Should the governmint become intimately involved with the paper bag
problem, I'm certain that the bag will be redesigned to deflect
bullets, block RF exposure, be as user friendly as the new gasoline
cans, be biodegradable using a process that costs more than the bag,
but still will continue to tear and self-destruct at the slightest
provocation.

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 1 May 2024 11:03:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/30/2024 9:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:03:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2024 12:55 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:58:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/29/2024 11:35 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> Since I'm actually not the one trying to construct silicon based
>>>>> extraterrestrial life forms, I'll pass all this on to ... um, whatever
>>>>> entity is involved in that effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you happen to have its email address? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Sure. The authors of the survey paper, provided by Ted Heise, are
>>>> listed near the start of the paper:
>>>> <https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/10/6/84>
>>>> Correspondence goes to Janusz Jurand Petkowski at MIT.
>>>> (jjpetkow@mit.edu).
>>>> Ask him for direction and links to anything new in the past 4 years.
>>>> <https://www.januszpetkowski.com>
>>>> Nice. He's from Poland.
>>>> <https://astrobio.pl/en/start-en/>
>>>> <https://astrobio.pl/janusz-petkowski/>
>>>
>>> I was hoping for some intergalactic email address.
>>
>> Ahem. You initially wanted a specific name and their contact info,
>> which I delivered.

>Nope. I asked for the the email address of an entity trying to construct
>silicon based extraterrestrial life forms. ISTM that disqualifies anyone
>on earth.

Please re-read your own question. You asked:
"Since I'm actually not the one trying to construct silicon based
extraterrestrial life forms, I'll pass all this on to ... um, whatever
entity is involved in that effort."
Followed by:
"I asked for the email address of an entity trying to construct
silicon based extraterrestrial life forms."

The authors web page describes his research as:
"I am interested in research leading to finding life on exoplanets,
biosignature gases and theoretical biochemistry".

In other words, he's trying to figure out how a theoretical biology
and chemistry works on other planets. I provided you with the name
and contact information of someone working on a theory of silicon
based life forms. I can't do much better than that.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed May 1 15:52:24 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/1/2024 11:31 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > Tell us Frank, what do you know about alternate universes?
>
> I know you live in one! :-)
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Franky who made a living as a teacher and lives in an area of 99% whites tells me I live in an alternate universe because I grew up in a desegregated neighborhood, have tw0o minority sister's in law and got wealthy actually working as an actual engineer rather than pretending to be one like you did.

So Frank, who is it living in an alternate universe?

We all rememember you saying that you had to "prepare" yourself to ride though some minority areas in Youngstown and then after you were critized for that, rewording and tried to make it sound as if it were nothing more than pumping up your tires.

Frank, and all of your good friends who all jump in attempting to justify all of your ignorant comments live not just in an alternate universe but from before the civil war.

On 5/3/2024 2:36 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wed May 1 15:52:24 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/1/2024 11:31 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> Tell us Frank, what do you know about alternate universes?
>>
>> I know you live in one! :-)
>>
>
> So Frank, who is it living in an alternate universe?
>
> We all rememember you saying that you had to "prepare" yourself to ride though some minority areas in Youngstown and then after you were critized for that, rewording and tried to make it sound as if it were nothing more than pumping up your tires.

Tom, I rode through minority neighborhoods every time I bicycled to work
and back. Yes, I did make sure my tires were pumped. I also made sure my
briefcase was securely bungeed to my rear rack, and that my office
casual pants were safety pinned to keep them out of the chain. What else
do you imagine I might have done?

As to what you "remember": Anybody here with any sense knows you can't
tell your memory from your imagination. If you have a link to my post
about preparing myself, give it to us so we can see actual wording and
context.

Until then, please return to the universe in which you are so wealthy
that you _don't_ have to complain about your hellhole neighborhood, the
rocks being pumped into your water pipes, the horrible motorists that
you somehow know are all illegal immigrants, and where big corporations
are frequently offering you lucrative jobs that you somehow never accept.

--
- Frank Krygowski