"Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
their speed?
So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"

ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> their speed?
> So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
>
> ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
"Particles travelling in Storage Ring Accelerators
Apparently when muons were made to travel at a very high speed (0.99c) in a large
diameter ring accelerator at Brookhaven, they experienced time dilation as exactly
predicted by special relativity. And recently, scientists have apparently observed the
same thing happening with lithium ions travelling in storage ring accelerators.
http://www.nature.com/news/special-relativity-aces-time-trial-1.15970
But muons travelling in circular orbits are actually in accelerated motion and not in
uniform motion. We know that according to the religion of relativity, SR applies to
particles in uniform motion and GR for particles in accelerated motion. (In fact,
some physics prophets use circular motion to ‘illustrate’ the effects of GR: The
Elegant Universe by Brain Greene). So if the stupid theory of relativity were to be
correct, the particles travelling in ring accelerators must have experienced time
dilation as predicted by the general relativity but not special relativity." -IBID.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> their speed?
> So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
>
> ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
Notice to relativistic mathematicians: +.1c would result in + 60 meters.

On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

>
> ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?

Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?

The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
lab muons are near stationary.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> their speed?
> So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
>
> ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?

Cosmic winds get slower by universal gravity.
Their star source has to provide an original acceleration to the particle cosmic wind.
What is the accelerator of cosmic wind particles?
Then leaving the star by escape velocity the star gravity would slow them down.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>
> >
> > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
>
> The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> lab muons are near stationary.
Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM

You too Legion.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> >
> > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > lab muons are near stationary.
> Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
>
> You too Legion.

Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
and what would give them a preferred direction?
Why do solar prominences fall back?
The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
If they move near the speed of light they would get
decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
cosmic wind.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > >
> > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> >
> > You too Legion.
> Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> and what would give them a preferred direction?
> Why do solar prominences fall back?
> The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> If they move near the speed of light they would get
> decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> cosmic wind.
Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > >
> > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall).. The
> > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > >
> > > You too Legion.
> > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > cosmic wind.
> Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > > >
> > > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > > >
> > > > You too Legion.
> > > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> > > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > > cosmic wind.
> > Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
> The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.
The great fallacy of the video and the entire Frisch-Smith experiment is enunciated at 24:00 of the video.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > > > >
> > > > > You too Legion.
> > > > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > > > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > > > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > > > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > > > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> > > > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > > > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > > > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > > > cosmic wind.
> > > Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
> > The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.
> The great fallacy of the video and the entire Frisch-Smith experiment is enunciated at 24:00 of the video.

My two favorite parts of the relativity classic movie are right at the beginning with the dubbed howling wind on top of Mt. Washington; then the move down the mountain to Cambridge at 25:20. Supporting actors are good too--the graduate student with the goatee who reassembles the iron mass in Cambridge. Richard Hertz may want to look into the possibility that this graduate student had to spent some time on the producer's couch to get that part....just wondering.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:02:02 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > > > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > > > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You too Legion.
> > > > > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > > > > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > > > > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > > > > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > > > > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> > > > > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > > > > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > > > > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > > > > cosmic wind.
> > > > Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
> > > The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.
> > The great fallacy of the video and the entire Frisch-Smith experiment is enunciated at 24:00 of the video.
> My two favorite parts of the relativity classic movie are right at the beginning with the dubbed howling wind on top of Mt. Washington; then the move down the mountain to Cambridge at 25:20. Supporting actors are good too--the graduate student with the goatee who reassembles the iron mass in Cambridge. Richard Hertz may want to look into the possibility that this graduate student had to spent some time on the producer's couch to get that part....just wondering.
Another fallacious ingredient to the Frisch-Smith recipe is added to the mix at 28:00 of the video.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:12:20 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:02:02 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > > > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > > > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > > > > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > > > > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You too Legion.
> > > > > > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > > > > > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > > > > > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > > > > > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > > > > > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity..
> > > > > > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > > > > > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > > > > > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > > > > > cosmic wind.
> > > > > Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
> > > > The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.
> > > The great fallacy of the video and the entire Frisch-Smith experiment is enunciated at 24:00 of the video.
> > My two favorite parts of the relativity classic movie are right at the beginning with the dubbed howling wind on top of Mt. Washington; then the move down the mountain to Cambridge at 25:20. Supporting actors are good too--the graduate student with the goatee who reassembles the iron mass in Cambridge. Richard Hertz may want to look into the possibility that this graduate student had to spent some time on the producer's couch to get that part....just wondering.
> Another fallacious ingredient to the Frisch-Smith recipe is added to the mix at 28:00 of the video.
Smith's bowtie is a clip-on. I had one just like it when I was 6. My parents got if for me for either a wedding or for Easter mass; I can't remember which.

On 8/26/2023 9:00 PM, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:

> Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM

If you want us to watch a kookvid, you should at least explain why we
should watch your kookvid, how it supports your claims or at least what
it is about. I can guess from the thread it's in that it likely has
something to do with muons, and if you push your kookvid as being useful
it is almost certainly wrong, or, more likely, not even wrong.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:49:09 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/26/2023 9:00 PM, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>
> > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> If you want us to watch a kookvid, you should at least explain why we
> should watch your kookvid, how it supports your claims or at least what
> it is about. I can guess from the thread it's in that it likely has
> something to do with muons, and if you push your kookvid as being useful
> it is almost certainly wrong, or, more likely, not even wrong.
Volney you foolish fool. My link is to none other than the kings of the muons of Mt. Washington: Frisch and Smith! You have heard of them, right? That's YOUR TEAM in action. Dirk first brought my attention to this classic of classic relativity films from 1960. Now do as you are told and watch that damned video. Then prepared to defend your two mountain gods and their tablets of stone.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > > > >
> > > > > You too Legion.
> > > > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > > > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > > > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > > > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > > > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> > > > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > > > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > > > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > > > cosmic wind.
> > > Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
> > The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.
> The great fallacy of the video and the entire Frisch-Smith experiment is enunciated at 24:00 of the video.
Yes, the assumption that laboratory muons would behave like cosmic ones.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 8:07:20 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:51:53 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:30:36 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > > > > > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > > > > > > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > > > > > > lab muons are near stationary.
> > > > > > Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You too Legion.
> > > > > Cosmic muons get accelerated to near light speed by what?
> > > > > and what would give them a preferred direction?
> > > > > Why do solar prominences fall back?
> > > > > The muon would slow down by leaving its star gravity.
> > > > > Mouns are subject to high gravity strength star escape velocity.
> > > > > If they move near the speed of light they would get
> > > > > decelerated by leaving a star's high gravity.
> > > > > Gravity is escape velocity. Gravity leads to a slower
> > > > > cosmic wind.
> > > > Mitch, you replied before finishing the video. I can tell. Because I've been watching it. To be a master scientist you have to be a master story teller. Frisch and Smith are just that. Now finish the video Mitch.
> > > The best part of the story in my opinion is the costume change when our two heroes descend like Moses from atop Mt. Washington to take up the second half of the video in Cambridge.
> > The great fallacy of the video and the entire Frisch-Smith experiment is enunciated at 24:00 of the video.
> Yes, the assumption that laboratory muons would behave like cosmic ones.
Not quite, Laurence. But you are on the right track.

According to Frisch and Smith's own calculations, all of the muons that stop in their scintillator on the summit where created from cosmic rays (here's the important part) only 1,000 to 6,000 ft above their mountain top lab. What about all the muons created in the atmosphere between the top of Mt. Washington (6,000 ft) and Cambridge (sea level )??? Those are eat muons they are stoping in their scintillator at Cambridge. They fallaciously assume that ALL muon production occurs at in on band of atmosphere 12,000 ft above sea level. Is this sophistry on their part to try and win a Nobel? Or are they just that dumb?

Also, they don't get a control count of the muons that don't stop in the scintillator, even though they could have. Because they showed that they could detect them in the early part of the video. It is those muons, created perhaps just above the summit and therefore too energetic to be stopped, that they are detecting down at Cambridge. Only a fool would conclude otherwise.

A criminal tells a story to and investigating detective which is always plausible. It is the detective's job to suss out the inconsistencies and arrive at the truth. The same applies to gov'mint funded scientists and the general public.

Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> ray muons?

But they do. The lifetime of 3 GeV muons in the storage ring
of the g-2 experiment is as expected from relativity.

> And if they did, why haven't we seen the laboratory muons travel
> the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> their speed?

And again, they do. (going round that ring)

Jan

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:00:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 8/26/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > Wait a minute. You are trying to argue against relativity but you don't
> > even understand the basics of the cosmic muons? Are you that clueless?
> >
> > The muons from space are of a higher speed (gamma=10 if I recall). The
> > lab muons are near stationary.
> Let's all reconvene on the subject after viewing this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzt8gDSYIM
>
> You too Legion.
Frisch (apparently no relation to Otto) got his first taste of glory, albeit reflected glory, whilst working on the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos. Frisch learned the lesson that scientific glory in the mid 20th century lie on the path of Relativity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Frisch

Frisch immediately set out to fight his way to the top of the relativistic rat pack. He found the acme of his glory in the 35 minute 1963 relativity thriller "The Muons of Mt. Washington"

Frisch's co-star, the bowtie-wearing Prof. James H. Smith, didn't even rate a wiki page. Here's his 2008 obit in which he is still wearing that damned clip-on bowtie

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/news-gazette/name/james-smith-obituary?id=29108291

I wonder if these two tricksters ever scrupled at the millions of young men like Dono, Dirk and the others in this forum whom they condemned to a lifetime of relativistic darkness with their fabricated chicanery. I at least, was able to penetrate their dark veil that obscured the truth, lo so many years now.

I am indebted to Dirk who brought the film to my attention many years ago.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> their speed?
> So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
>
> ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?

Muons IN the lab are AT REST wrt the lab. Dumbfuck.

On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 17:32:01 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> > dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> > ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> > the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> > 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> > their speed?
> > So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> > universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
> >
> > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> Muons IN the lab are AT REST wrt the lab. Dumbfuck.

They are quantum particles, dumbfuck. They can't be AT
REST wrt anything.

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 17:32:01 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> > > dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> > > ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> > > the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> > > 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> > > their speed?
> > > So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> > > universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
> > >
> > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > Muons IN the lab are AT REST wrt the lab. Dumbfuck.
> They can't be AT
> REST wrt anything.

Yet, they are. You are supposed to CLEAN the latrines, yet you keep EATING out of them.

On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 17:58:29 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 17:32:01 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> > > > dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> > > > ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> > > > the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> > > > 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> > > > their speed?
> > > > So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> > > > universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
> > > >
> > > > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> > > Muons IN the lab are AT REST wrt the lab. Dumbfuck.
> > They can't be AT
> > REST wrt anything.
> Yet, they are.

Great! Heisenberg's nonsense is thus refuted. An
obvious Nobel for you, poor halfbrain.

> You are supposed to CLEAN the latrines, yet you keep EATING out of them.

See, trash - I've proven the mumble of your idiot
guru to be inconsistent, and you can do nothing
about it apart of spitting and slandering. So - you're
spitting and slandering.

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 8:23:08 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> They fallaciously assume that ALL muon production occurs at in on band
> of atmosphere 12,000 ft above sea level.

The flux of primary cosmic rays (that produce the muons) isn't assumed, it is measured to be about 13 uSv/hr at 60,000 ft, and about 5 uSv/hr at 35,000 ft, and only 0.2 uSv/hr at 12000 ft, and about 0.08 uSv/hr at 6000 ft, and about 0.03 uSv/hr at sea level. So, the rate of muon production below 6000 feet is negligible for purposes of this analysis.

> It is those muons, created perhaps just above the summit and therefore
> too energetic to be stopped...

The energy of a muon doesn't depend on how close to the detector it was created. (Cognitive psychologists have lamented the fact that they can't interview a Neanderthal to see if his mental functioning differs from that of modern humans, but I think they are missing an opportunity.)

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 8:32:01 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 4:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > "Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time
> > dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic
> > ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel
> > the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled
> > 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be
> > their speed?
> > So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the
> > universe is much better than relativity." - "Muon’s time dilation | Science versus Truth"
> >
> > ARE MUONS FROM SPACE HIGHER ENERGY?
> Muons IN the lab are AT REST wrt the lab. Dumbfuck.

But the lab isn't at rest. If the Earth rotates.
Muons can't be stationary.