push heat out of a refrigerator?
How can it direct that heat?

On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> push heat out of a refrigerator?
> How can it direct that heat?
>
Google how refrigeration works, Roy.

BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
energy.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > How can it direct that heat?
> >
> Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
>
> BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> energy.

How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?

On 9/2/2023 3:40 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> push heat out of a refrigerator?
>>> How can it direct that heat?
>>>
>> Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
>>
>> BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
>> refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
>> energy.
>
> How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator, Roy for one
example. However the ones in RV parks aren't the same, but are similar.

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > How can it direct that heat?
> > >
> > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> >
> > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > energy.
>
> How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?

Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,

Jan

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:00:24 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > > How can it direct that heat?
> > > >
> > > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> > >
> > > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > > energy.
> >
> > How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?
> Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,

So how does electricity move many heat waves out?

> Jan

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 4:28:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:00:24 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > > > How can it direct that heat?
> > > > >
> > > > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > > > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > > > energy.
> > >
> > > How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?
> > Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,
> So how does electricity move many heat waves out?
>
> > Jan

Well there's a fluid model, and then there's an idea that flow is usual
aggregate liquid bulk flow across a section or area, then flux is an idea
that it's the superclassical flow, or in the concept of the superclassical
setting.

Then, the usual idea these days is that it's not that electrons flow, that,
what gets moving is electron holes, that it's a wave so as the displacement
according to potential difference or voltage drop occurs, that it's holes that
actually move, while the electrons drift at a much lower rate, about electron
depletion, as charge carriers.

There's heat and there's temperature, heat is kinetic, not charge.

The idea of the superconductor is that there's no electromotive force
lost to conversion to heat, where for less than a perfect conductor
or a resistor, it's the usual passive component that resists current
and exchanges to heat.

Anyways superconductivity is a really cool thing and Fritz London
is really famous about some of the mathematics of superconductivity,
of the various liquid models or fluid models, of currents like as in
electrical circuits, where, current is pretty much a property of circuits
in electrical flow, while for example the familiar fluid model of water
flow, has that the potential drop is according to gravity in a well or
pressure in a pipe, about things like head.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 4:28:32 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:00:24 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > > > How can it direct that heat?
> > > > >
> > > > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > > > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > > > energy.
> > >
> > > How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?
> > Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,
> So how does electricity move many heat waves out?
>
> > Jan

You might learn about Peltier and Seebeck junctions,
vis-a-vis the Venturi effect and the action of a compressor
and condenser and cooling, and about enthalpy of fusion
and such notions as the triple freezing and boiling points
of water, live stream, thermo first and second law, and other
usual elementary notions about phases and states of matter.

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:00:24?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > > > How can it direct that heat?
> > > > >
> > > > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > > > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > > > energy.
> > >
> > > How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?
> > Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,
>
> So how does electricity move many heat waves out?

Through electron-phonon scattering.
(but do you really want to know?)

Jan

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:53:08 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:00:24?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > > > > How can it direct that heat?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > > > > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > > > > energy.
> > > >
> > > > How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?
> > > Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,
> >
> > So how does electricity move many heat waves out?
> Through electron-phonon scattering.
> (but do you really want to know?)
>
> Jan

In the theory of brontosaurases, it's brontosauri that do it.

On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:51:25 AM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:53:08 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:00:24?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 12:38:12?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > > > > On 9/2/2023 2:51 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > push heat out of a refrigerator?
> > > > > > > How can it direct that heat?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Google how refrigeration works, Roy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW refrigeration doesn't need electricity. RV parks are full of
> > > > > > refrigerators that work by using a propane flame as a heat source for
> > > > > > energy.
> > > > >
> > > > > How can electron's jumping to the next atom move heat?
> > > > Wrong level. 'Heat' is a collective property of many particles,
> > >
> > > So how does electricity move many heat waves out?
> > Through electron-phonon scattering.
> > (but do you really want to know?)
> >
> > Jan
> In the theory of brontosaurases, it's brontosauri that do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNo1nS_JV5k "In the light"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My1PH6H1Qpo "Four sticks"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRgvPrUuU8 "Song remains the same"

What you do is study all your life and sometimes listen to some music like this,
then it all starts to come together as a coherent thing, then you don't need
opinions anymore, because you have one, and you know so because the entire
body of historiological reason and empirical science agrees.

Anyways, scattering theory has a complement called tunneling theory. The S-Matrix
is a model of what would be diffusion in a sort of lattice down at the grain and the
interfaces of the continuous and discrete, then tunneling makes the classical back
out of that.

Then phonons are about the "acoustic model", "You mean what I can hear?", not exactly,
it's a model of that, as "quanta", or a stream of particles, because in particle theories
"everything's a particle", even brontosauruses are particles in a particle theory,
(and on the idiot scale, even Feldman's an idiot, while of course Feldman's not an idiot).

So, the solitons and instantons and so ons get into the parallel transport, about the flows
of the particles, as they scatter and tunnel.

While that's so you'll usually find stuff like a heat equation after a guy named Fourier, and,
there are others, and about that science has some issues because the theory of the elements
of the thermo first law and the theory of the elements of the thermo second law, aren't same.
But, it's worked out in dissipation and transport and conduction in currents, or flows, the usual
sorts things, then that "phonons" or "an acoustic model, by which I mean instead of a fluid model
with flows, an acoustic model of phonon particles", is just another way of making all the dots
the same dits (and, what a ditz), but offering it as explicatory is partial and incomplete at best,
let's just say it's simpler for a limited sort of assortment of algorithms, without much otherwise
reflecting the overall concerns, and for that matter, not reflecting the overall concerns.