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* If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative too?LEO_MMX
+- Re: If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative too?Maciej Wozniak
+- Re: If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative too?Laurence Clark Crossen
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+* Re: If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative too?JanPB
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Please discuss.

Cheers,
LEO_MMX

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:27 UTC

On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 14:21:27 UTC+2, LEO_MMX wrote:

Time is not relative. Neither TimeAI, nor UTimeC, nor zone times,
none of the real times of the real world.
Truth and morals? Absolutely.

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 by: Laurence Clark Cross - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 17:30 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
> Please discuss.
>
> Cheers,
> LEO_MMX
I have not much pondered this because obviously it does not, even though many argue that way. However, the concept of time dilation is highly illogical to the point of being irrational and is pseudoscientific hogwash. This doesn't help provide the best conditions for the development of ethics. A sound ethics requires sound science as a foundation.

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LEO_MMX <ned.marsen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please discuss.

Of course not!
'Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland' are absolutes!
And 'Blut und Boden' too!

Hint: you are a bit late,

Jan

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
> Please discuss.
>
> Cheers,
> LEO_MMX

No.

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Jan

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 01:08 UTC

On 06-Sept-23 10:21 pm, LEO_MMX wrote:
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>
> Cheers,
> LEO_MMX

No of course not. It's an absurd suggestion. I have to wonder at the
defect of the mind that could even lead to such a question.

Sylvia.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 01:24 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
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>
> Cheers,
> LEO_MMX

If there is a movement toward or away from a frame in space
light has to travel different new distances to
meet the moving frame. That is a time appearance.
But from gravity and motion there is a mathematical time slow
that is more than just an appearance.
Relativity is the equal and opposite appearance.

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 by: Laurence Clark Cross - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 04:01 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
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> Cheers,
> LEO_MMX
How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 04:12 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:01:24 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
> > Please discuss.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > LEO_MMX
> How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?

It's usually called "truth", "right", and "good".

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Subject: Re: If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative too?
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 by: Ross Finlayson - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 04:49 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:38:20 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
> > Please discuss.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > LEO_MMX
> No.
>
> --
> Jan

Jan, Jan, Jan. And I thought it was always Marcia, Marcia, Marcia, ....

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Subject: Re: If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative too?
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 by: JanPB - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 18:10 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 06-Sept-23 10:21 pm, LEO_MMX wrote:
> > Please discuss.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > LEO_MMX
> No of course not. It's an absurd suggestion. I have to wonder at the
> defect of the mind that could even lead to such a question.

People get confused by *words* a lot.

--
Jan

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Thu, 7 Sep 2023 22:42 UTC

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 11:10:18 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 06-Sept-23 10:21 pm, LEO_MMX wrote:
> > > Please discuss.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > LEO_MMX
> > No of course not. It's an absurd suggestion. I have to wonder at the
> > defect of the mind that could even lead to such a question.
> People get confused by *words* a lot.

I have been using them since I was two.
How can you disprove absolute over relative?

>
> --
> Jan

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 by: Tom Roberts - Sat, 9 Sep 2023 04:03 UTC

On 9/6/23 11:01 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
>> Please discuss.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> LEO_MMX
> How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?

Hmmm. In those regimes, "relative" and "absolute" have VERY DIFFERENT
MEANINGS than they have in physics. Such PUNS are hopeless.

Tom Roberts

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
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> Cheers,
> LEO_MMX
Of course it does! In a world where methodological materialism reigns supreme--where truth and morals are mere emergent qualities of matter--relativity absolutely annihilates any claim truth and morals have to any sort of fixedness. But don't take the author of the BBP's word for it. Instead, take the word of the greatest living philosopher at the time of Relativity: Henri Bergson, author of "Time and Free Will" and "Matter and Memory". The great Bergson who reigned over the early twentieth century as its undisputed intellectual monarch, personally saw to it that Relativity never received a Nobel.

https://nautil.us/this-philosopher-helped-ensure-there-was-no-nobel-for-relativity-235898/#:~:text=Join-,This%20Philosopher%20Helped%20Ensure%20There%20Was%20No%20Nobel%20for%20Relativity,swayed%20the%201921%20Nobel%20committee.

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