I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.

Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
from some spam messages.

This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.

Tom Roberts

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 6:03:55 PM UTC-6, Tom Roberts wrote:
> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.

And I use Google Groups, and wade through all the spam, and report each and every message as spam to Google. Theoretically, this means they no longer get any search engine hits via Google, unless Google lies (and is also as incompetent as their programmers).

Only have to put up with it for four more weeks...

David A. Smith

Tom Roberts wrote:

> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.

> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> from some spam messages.

> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> messages per day.

> Tom Roberts

I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.

\Paul Alsing

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 7:02:05 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups
> is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof
> tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.

Google search result:
https://kb.iu.edu/d/arrn

David A. Smith

Tom Roberts wrote:

> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.
>
> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> from some spam messages.
>
> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> messages per day.

add this to Subject and/or Author, to exclude "matching regex"

^.*[\p{Thai}].*$

have a nice day. I love Hungary so very much. The only true country in
europe.

𝗛𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝘆_𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗻𝗱𝘀_𝘁𝗼_𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗲𝗱_𝗘𝗨_𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁_𝘁𝗼_𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆_𝗶𝘁𝘀_𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗼𝗺𝘆
Budapest has continued to object to a planned aid package for Ukraine
ahead of an EU summit this week
https://r%74.com/news/591459-eu-hungary-ukraine-aid-blackmail/

There is nothing democratic about the EU. A fake powerless parliament. 1/3
of deputies in the pay of Soros. Quite sickening.

The West has become a retched despotic Dictatorship, and cultural
destroyer. Hungary, do you need any other motivation to leave it?

Everyone can see now that western nazis operate like mafia.

Stay strong Hungary! WE are proud with YOU!

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 9:03:55 PM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote:
> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.
>
> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> from some spam messages.
>
> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> messages per day.
>
> Tom Roberts

Use this website. It's spam free, and you can get a free account there:

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/thread.php?group=sci.physics.relativity

On 1/29/2024 7:48 PM, Nico Kozák Pásztori wrote:
> There is nothing democratic about the EU. A fake powerless parliament. 1/3
> of deputies in the pay of Soros. Quite sickening.

Why hadn't you "Russians" found that out in 1917? You didn't even know
that before invading Ukraine.

You're like babies. You need direction, and like babies, you try to get
your directions from people to your west.

Fuck you Hanson!

Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.
>
> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> from some spam messages.
>
> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> messages per day.

Maybe you need a better provider?
I do see some spam on E.S., but not enormous amounts of it.
BTW, it also helps to kill all crossposting,

Jan

Physfitfreak wrote:

> On 1/29/2024 7:48 PM, Nico Kozák Pásztori wrote:
>> There is nothing democratic about the EU. A fake powerless parliament.
>> 1/3 of deputies in the pay of Soros. Quite sickening.
>
> Why hadn't you "Russians" found that out in 1917? You didn't even know
> that before invading Ukraine. You're like babies. You need direction,
> and like babies, you try to get your directions from people to your
> west. Fuck you Hanson!

whatever, but please be careful. He is not that pretty.

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> Tom Roberts wrote:
>
> > I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> > been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> > legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> > written in a non-latin script.
>
> > Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> > I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> > Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> > messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> > messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> > from some spam messages.
>
> > This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> > messages per day.
>
> > Tom Roberts
> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
>
> \Paul Alsing

Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.

I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.

It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make read-only
the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.

Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief and
special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.

"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks

So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then while sort
of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations widespread,
how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging destinations
on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, "NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and also for
email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the expectation that
there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude it in simple terms.

NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed

(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the transport layer.)

Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks

I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that surfaces
"news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based protocol.

Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw

Tom Roberts wrote:

> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.

What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.

The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.

On 2024-01-30 00:03:43 +0000, Tom Roberts said:

> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> written in a non-latin script.

I don't see any of those. Maybe news.individual.net suppresses them
before they reach me.
>
> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> from some spam messages.
>
> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> messages per day.

I don't see even a few.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Richard Hertz wrote:

> Use this website. It's spam free, and you can get a free account there:

> https://www.novabbs.com/tech/thread.php?group=sci.physics.relativity

Thanks!

ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom Roberts wrote:
>
> > I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> > been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> > legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> > written in a non-latin script.
>
> What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
> posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
> read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.
>
> The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
> mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.

It is a kind of DOS attack,

Jan

ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:

> Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > Use this website. It's spam free, and you can get a free account there:
>
> > https://www.novabbs.com/tech/thread.php?group=sci.physics.relativity
>
> Thanks!

Much better to get a real newsserver instead,

Jan

On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
>> Tom Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
>>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
>>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
>>> written in a non-latin script.
>>
>>> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
>>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
>>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
>>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
>>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
>>> from some spam messages.
>>
>>> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
>>> messages per day.
>>
>>> Tom Roberts
>> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
>>
>> \Paul Alsing
>
> Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
>
> I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
>
> It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 according to Google,
> Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make read-only
> the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
>
> Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief and
> special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
> know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
>
> "Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
> -- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
>
> So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then while sort
> of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations widespread,
> how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging destinations
> on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, "NOOBNB protocol",
> figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and also for
> email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the expectation that
> there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude it in simple terms.
>
> NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
>
> (That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the transport layer.)
>
> Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the Internet a
> read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for a "URI",
> a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
>
> I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that surfaces
> "news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based protocol.
>
>
> Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
>

One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was like,
you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their posting-account,
and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.

At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the posting-accounts
of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending them up.

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-6, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> ... how to match the posting-account to then determine
> whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically
> about sending them up.

Its too late to save Google Groups front end.

They post and another account posts a follow-up on the same message within less than a minute. It is human-based based on the pace of posting. It IS a sock-puppet farm.

David A. Smith

On 2/3/2024 7:54 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
>>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
>>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
>>> written in a non-latin script.
>>
>> What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
>> posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
>> read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.
>>
>> The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
>> mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
>
> It is a kind of DOS attack,
>
Definitely, but what is the motivation or goal of the spammers? It
doesn't make sense.

On 02/03/2024 09:47 AM, Dlzc wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-6, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> ... how to match the posting-account to then determine
>> whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically
>> about sending them up.
>
> Its too late to save Google Groups front end.
>
> They post and another account posts a follow-up on the same message within less than a minute. It is human-based based on the pace of posting. It IS a sock-puppet farm.
>
> David A. Smith
>

Ah, the sockpuppet.

"Hi sockpuppet how are you today?"
"The guy hiding under here has his arm entirely up me, I'm not doing this."

Clearly the posts themselves are generated by a mail-merge, which
you're probably familiar with or I am as "here's a list of addresses,
and here's a little document with placeholders, the templates
get merged the substitution placeholders interpolated their
expression to the matching parameters, then print that out
the printer but be careful printing the labels in the special
stick-on label paper in the printer and you wouldn't want that
poor quality adhesive would result jamming your printer".

Anyways though it's clear that every now and then one of the
parameters goes missing and it shows "Template" or "Missing"
or whatever, it's just a usual sort of blast-fax mail-merge setup.

Yet, here it's as what appears to be a ton of different compromised
Google accounts, as to whether they're associated with the names
and emails of the posts at all, is unclear. So, there's an idea to
make a little database matching up posting-account according to
the Google G2 injector that appears to be injecting them to Usenet,
helping illustrate that such-and-such accounts are at best compromised
and probably collusive, where of course we wouldn't want the innocents
they may be to suffer just because their account is compromised. (Or, ....)

Or, "gee, thanks OAuth".

Volney wrote:

> On 2/3/2024 7:54 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
>>> mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
>>
>> It is a kind of DOS attack,
>>
> Definitely, but what is the motivation or goal of the spammers? It
> doesn't make sense.

that's not spam, my friend. Can't you do english. That's why amrica bombed
Yugoslavia in three months. They have a better life standard under the
communism, than amrica couldn't even dream of. The CNN even tell its in a
video 𝗼𝗻_𝘆𝗼𝘂𝘁𝘂𝗯𝗲. They were shocked, realizing it. All people with food on
their table, with work (not "jobs"), 30 days paid vacation, free
education, pension as 60 and so on. You dirty capitalist. That's the
reason. The terrorist state of NATO bombed 𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗴𝘆_𝗽𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 to europe, for
the reason of de_industrialize and under_develop.

𝗘𝘅-𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻_𝗣𝗠_𝘄𝗮𝗿𝗻𝘀_𝗭𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆_𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁_‘𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲’_𝗱𝗿𝗮𝗳𝘁
Yulia Timoshenko has predicted that a proposed mobilization measure could
lead to “public confrontation”
https://r%74.com/russia/591787-ex-ukrainian-pm-tymoshenko-mobilization-
bill-confrontation/

Volney wrote:

> On 2/3/2024 7:54 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
>>> mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
>>
>> It is a kind of DOS attack,
>>
> Definitely, but what is the motivation or goal of the spammers? It
> doesn't make sense.

yes sure, hear it in another language.

𝘼𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙚_𝙒𝙚𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙡,_𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙧_𝙤𝙛_𝙩𝙝𝙚_𝘼𝙛𝘿_𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙞𝙖𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙮_𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙥_𝙞𝙣_𝙂𝙚𝙧𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙮
https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/a1yqKPJziio9

disse regime hates deutchland!

On 2/3/2024 12:21 PM, Roscoe Hatukaev wrote:
> Volney wrote:
>
>> On 2/3/2024 7:54 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
>>>> mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
>>>
>>> It is a kind of DOS attack,
>>>
>> Definitely, but what is the motivation or goal of the spammers? It
>> doesn't make sense.
>
> that's not spam, my friend. Can't you do english. That's why amrica bombed
> Yugoslavia in three months. They have a better life standard under the
> communism, than amrica couldn't even dream of. The CNN even tell its in a
> video 𝗼𝗻_𝘆𝗼𝘂𝘁𝘂𝗯𝗲. They were shocked, realizing it. All people with food on
> their table, with work (not "jobs"), 30 days paid vacation, free
> education, pension as 60 and so on. You dirty capitalist. That's the
> reason. The terrorist state of NATO bombed 𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗴𝘆_𝗽𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 to europe, for
> the reason of de_industrialize and under_develop.
>
> 𝗘𝘅-𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻_𝗣𝗠_𝘄𝗮𝗿𝗻𝘀_𝗭𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆_𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁_‘𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲’_𝗱𝗿𝗮𝗳𝘁
> Yulia Timoshenko has predicted that a proposed mobilization measure could
> lead to “public confrontation”
> https://r%74.com/russia/591787-ex-ukrainian-pm-tymoshenko-mobilization-
> bill-confrontation/
>

Hehe :)

Hanson, haven't you learned your lessons? Of course not. In talking with
Vulva, you're talking to a first rate Sheep. That Sheep loves to be a
sheep.

Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/3/2024 7:54 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> >>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> >>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> >>> written in a non-latin script.
> >>
> >> What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
> >> posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
> >> read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.
> >>
> >> The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
> >> mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
> >
> > It is a kind of DOS attack,
> >
> Definitely, but what is the motivation or goal of the spammers? It
> doesn't make sense.

They do it to show that they can do it.
Vandalism just is,

Jan

Ross Finlayson wrote:
>
> On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> >> Tom Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> >>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> >>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> >>> written in a non-latin script.
> >>
> >>> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> >>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> >>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> >>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> >>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> >>> from some spam messages.
> >>
> >>> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> >>> messages per day.
> >>
> >>> Tom Roberts
> >> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> \Paul Alsing
> >
> > Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
> >
> > I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
> >
> > It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 according to Google,
> > Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make read-only
> > the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
> >
> > Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief and
> > special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
> > know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
> >
> > "Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
> > -- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> >
> > So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then while sort
> > of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations widespread,
> > how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging destinations
> > on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, "NOOBNB protocol",
> > figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and also for
> > email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the expectation that
> > there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude it in simple terms.
> >
> > NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
> >
> > (That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the transport layer.)
> >
> > Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the Internet a
> > read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for a "URI",
> > a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> >
> > I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that surfaces
> > "news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based protocol.
> >
> >
> > Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
> >
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
> >
>
> One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
> outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
> funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was like,
> you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
> and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their posting-account,
> and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
> each one of the wicked spams.
>
> At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
> that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
> posting-account
> in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
> email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the posting-accounts
> of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
> whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending them up.

Let me see your little script. Post it here.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > >> Tom Roberts wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
> > >>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
> > >>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
> > >>> written in a non-latin script.
> > >>
> > >>> Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
> > >>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
> > >>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
> > >>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
> > >>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
> > >>> from some spam messages.
> > >>
> > >>> This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
> > >>> messages per day.
> > >>
> > >>> Tom Roberts
> > >> I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> \Paul Alsing
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
> > >
> > > I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
> > >
> > > It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 according to Google,
> > > Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make read-only
> > > the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
> > >
> > > Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief and
> > > special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
> > > know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
> > >
> > > "Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
> > > -- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> > >
> > > So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then while sort
> > > of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations widespread,
> > > how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging destinations
> > > on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, "NOOBNB protocol",
> > > figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and also for
> > > email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the expectation that
> > > there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude it in simple terms.
> > >
> > > NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
> > >
> > > (That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the transport layer.)
> > >
> > > Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the Internet a
> > > read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for a "URI",
> > > a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
> > >
> > > I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that surfaces
> > > "news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based protocol.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
> > >
> >
> > One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
> > outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
> > funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was like,
> > you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
> > and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their posting-account,
> > and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
> > each one of the wicked spams.
> >
> > At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
> > that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
> > posting-account
> > in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
> > email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the posting-accounts
> > of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
> > whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending them up.
>
> Let me see your little script. Post it here.

Here is a list I currently have:

salz.txt
usenet.death.penalty.gz
purify.txt
NewsAgent110-MS.exe
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
NewsAgent111-BE.zip
SuperCede.exe
NewsAgent023.exe
NewsAgent025.exe
ActiveAgent.java
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
NewsCancel.java (source code)

(plus updated python versions)

(Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)

Show me what you got. walk the walk.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.