gharnagel wrote:

> “Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
> thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these rules;
> rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by nature.” --
> Lawrence M. Krauss
>
> And THAT'S the truth!

actually not an invention, the idiot contradicts himself.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:21:10 PM UTC-3, Carlos Félix Rodríguez wrote:
> gharnagel wrote:
>
> > “Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
> > thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these rules;
> > rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by nature.” --
> > Lawrence M. Krauss
> >
> > And THAT'S the truth!
> actually not an invention, the idiot contradicts himself.

1887 - 1908: 19 years to develop the main body of special relativity. Yet, its domain of applicability remains elusive, and the SR is sterile, useless..

1897 - 1926: 19 years to develop the main body of quantum mechanics. Yet, its domain of applicability remains bounded to the H atom. Beyond that,
QM is applied grossly to understand properties of heavier atoms and simple molecules. Just trial and error for 100 years.

Between 1947 and 1953, parts of this theory (plus Fermi's and GERMANS' theories) led to the development of junction and planar Ge transistors. The
rest, since 1953, is a triumph of applied technology and HEAVY USE of trial and error procedures, funded by the US military and most of the industrial
establishment, exactly like the development of the thermionic bulb (1907 - 1935).

Illustrate yourself a little better.

Richard Hertz wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:21:10 PM UTC-3, Carlos Félix Rodríguez
> wrote: gharnagel wrote:
>> > “R̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶t̶y̶ a̶n̶d̶ q̶u̶a̶n̶t̶u̶m̶ m̶e̶c̶h̶a̶n̶i̶c̶s̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ n̶o̶t̶ i̶n̶v̶e̶n̶t̶e̶d̶ b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ s̶o̶m̶e̶o̶n̶e̶
>> > t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ i̶t̶ w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ b̶e̶ a̶ g̶o̶o̶d̶ i̶d̶e̶a̶ f̶o̶r̶ t̶h̶e̶ u̶n̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶ t̶o̶ o̶b̶e̶y̶ t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ r̶u̶l̶e̶s̶;
>> > r̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶, t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ r̶e̶v̶o̶l̶u̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶r̶y̶ i̶d̶e̶a̶s̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ f̶o̶r̶c̶e̶d̶ u̶p̶o̶n̶ u̶s̶ b̶y̶ n̶a̶t̶u̶r̶e̶.” --
>> > -- Lawrence M. Krauss
>> >
>> > And THAT'S the truth!
>> 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆_𝗻𝗼𝘁_𝗮𝗻_𝗶𝗻𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻, the idiot c̳o̳n̳t̳r̳a̳d̳i̳c̳t̳s̳ h̳i̳m̳s̳e̳l̳f̳.
>
> 1887 - 1908: 19 years to develop the main body of special relativity.
> Yet, its domain of applicability remains elusive, and the SR is sterile,
> useless.
> 1897 - 1926: 19 years to develop the main body of quantum mechanics.
> Yet, its domain of applicability remains bounded to the H atom. Beyond
> that, QM is applied grossly to understand properties of heavier atoms
> and simple molecules. Just trial and error for 100 years.
> Between 1947 and 1953, parts of this theory (plus Fermi's and GERMANS'
> theories) led to the development of junction and planar Ge transistors.
> The rest, since 1953, is a triumph of applied technology and HEAVY USE
> of trial and error procedures, funded by the US military and most of the
> industrial establishment, exactly like the development of the thermionic
> bulb (1907 - 1935). I̳l̳l̳u̳s̳t̳r̳a̳t̳e̳ y̳o̳u̳r̳s̳e̳l̳f̳ a̳ l̳i̳t̳t̳l̳e̳ b̳e̳t̳t̳e̳r̳.

yes, the gringos are 𝙩𝙧𝙮_𝙖𝙣𝙙_𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙤𝙧 all the time. I suspect everything coming
from the gringos is fake. Liars 𝘀𝗺𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝗶𝗲𝘀 faking moon landing. Beyond
that, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 don't undrestand anything. Those are big things, embedded into
the manifold. Not even theories.

Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 2:35:30 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:57:24 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 8:15:50 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>> > > On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> > > > Dig it, relativistic assholes, and enjoy!
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff0aofh6urU
>> > > My response seems to have disappeared and I don't feel like reposting it
>> > > all, so here is a condensed version.
>> > >
>> > > The author of that video makes the standard mistake: he assumes that
>> > > clock sync is an essential part of special relativity.
>> > >
>> > > It isn't.
>> > >
>> > > Clock synchronisation is only used for the convenience of derivation.
>> > > It is NOT any fundamental defining aspect of it.
>> > >
>> > > You can find the details in MTW. Basically, the only tools needed are
>> > > a bunch of identical rulers and a bunch of identical clocks (no
>> > > synchronisation is assumed). Then a certain formula is tested
>> > > experimentally using the above tools, and if it's confirmed, then
>> > > space and time are Minkowskian.
>> > >
>> > > In general, I'd STRONGLY recommend to stop assuming everyone is
>> > > an idiot.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jan
>> > Imbecile, the main FALLACY in SR is the assertion that OWLS = AB/(tB-tA),
>> No, as I said: this is a very common misconception and the authro of the
>> video you quoted fell into this classic trap (and so did Veritassium AFAICT).
>>
>> The equation you quote refers to a particular property of a particular coordinate
>> system. This is not a defining property of special relativity, whose actual
>> defining property is its geometry (which is Lorentzian).
>
> This defining property is a reification fallacy. Space has no geometry. It is imposed on it, imbecile.

You miss the point. The point is that clock synchronisation is NOT a defining
property of special relativity. Whether the result is a reification of
this or that is a separate (interesting) discussion. You are welcome to
start a new thread on that topic.

>> > So, SR is rotten since the start of the theory claiming that OWLS = TWLS, without any fucking proof (not once in 120 years).
>> No. You simply don't understand the theory. Most normal people know
>> exactly when they reach limits of their knowledge. You just assume
>> the entire rest of the planet has been wrong for 120 years.
>
> Recourse to ad populum fallacy instead of reasoning. Lemmings.

It's just an observation that most ignorant people are also extremely arrogant.
Newton, Goethe, and many, many others have observed that. It's very characteristic.

> Enjoy.

It's actually not particularly enjoyable. Why would it be?

--
Jan

> On Tuesday 23 January 2024 at 16:02:03 UTC+1, gharnagel wrote:
> >
> > Larry wrote:
> > >
> > > .... Relativity functions as an ideology.
> >
> > You were going okay there, Larry, until that last brain-fart. You didn't tell
> > the truth, but another Larry did:
> >
> > “Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
> > thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these rules;
> > rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by nature.”
>
> Relativistic idiots are telling the truth very seldom,

Now THAT'S the TRUTH. "Relativistic idiots" are those who deny relativity,
like Wozniak the Shit.

gharnagel wrote:

>> On Tuesday 23 January 2024 at 16:02:03 UTC+1, gharnagel wrote:
>> > Larry wrote:
>> > > .... Relativity functions as an ideology.
>> > You were going okay there, Larry, until that last brain-fart. You
>> > didn't tell the truth, but another Larry did:
>> > “Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
>> > thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these rules;
>> > rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by nature.”
>>
>> Relativistic idiots are telling the truth very seldom,
>
> Now THAT'S the TRUTH. "Relativistic idiots" are those who deny
> relativity, like Wozniak the Shit.

i'm forced to agree.

𝗧𝗵𝗲_𝗶𝗻𝘀𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘁𝘆_𝗼𝗳_𝘄𝗮𝗿:_𝗜𝘀_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗮𝘃𝗼𝗶𝗱𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲_𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗳𝗹𝗶𝗰𝘁_𝗱𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗼𝘂𝘁_𝗼𝗳_𝗶𝘁𝘀_𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗱?
The country’s resilience and strength have been abused and betrayed by a
regime that has sold out 𝘁𝗼_𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻_𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝘀
https://r%74.com/russia/592433-ukraine-war-western-interests/
Aleksey Arestovich – the former consigliere of Ukrainian gay actor, now
paid for acting "President" Vladimir Smellensky, now his sworn enemy (and
would-be rival, too) – has addressed his “dear countrymen” to tell them
𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀_“𝗰𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗹𝘆_𝗶𝗻𝘀𝗮𝗻𝗲.” A ruthless spin master and, at times at
least, intelligence asset, Arestovich also claims to be a psychologist. In
that capacity, he had even more – and worse – to announce: Not only is
Ukraine 𝗮 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘄𝗶𝗱𝗲 “𝗽𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝘂𝗻𝗮𝗰𝘆,” but also of “individual”
madness.

The banderites have been brainwashed with a chosen people mythos similar
to the Hilter youth, the destruction of that mythos will send many into a
destructive choice that will likely see thousands die in the traitorous EU
and US.

Utter rubbish. The ukraine has never been either strong nor resilient. It
has in itself always been weak and stupid, whether under the Varangian
Rus, Poland, the Romanovs, Soviets, or post-USSR. Only under ukrainian-
dominated USSR did it ever begin to approach civilization, and reverted to
pathetic impotence when USSR was disolved. They were happy in the Austrian
Empire.

It does not get much crazier than the psyche of insanity hanging over Kiev
and its master of puppets

Ukraine is another Zionist project. We should feel pity for the average
Ukrainian.

> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-8, gharnagel wrote:
> >
> > “Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
> > thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these rules;
> > rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by nature.”
> > -- Lawrence M. Krauss
> >
> > And THAT'S the truth!
>
> Have you read Krauss' book about nothing/something
> and a mathematical universe hypothesis?

Nope. I don't believe the universe came from nothing, and mathematics
is just counting.

gharnagel wrote:

>> Relativistic idiots are telling the truth very seldom,

> Now THAT'S the TRUTH. "Relativistic idiots" are those who deny relativity,
> like Wozniak the Shit.

Nope, relativistic idiots are the worshippers
of inconsistent mumble of an insane cerazie.

On 02/14/2024 02:15 PM, gharnagel wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-8, gharnagel wrote:
>> >
>> > “Relativity and quantum mechanics were not invented because someone
>> > thought it would be a good idea for the universe to obey these
>> rules; > rather, these revolutionary ideas were forced upon us by
>> nature.” > -- Lawrence M. Krauss >
>> > And THAT'S the truth!
>>
>> Have you read Krauss' book about nothing/something and a mathematical
>> universe hypothesis?
>
> Nope. I don't believe the universe came from nothing, and mathematics
> is just counting.

Some have that "why is there something rather than nothing?"
is the "fundamental question of metaphysics".

Sort of like "Big Bang Theory", these days though the sky survey
has roundly paint-canned inflationary cosmology, yet it's still
so that either of "Big Bang" or "Steady State" can be modeled
by the data, because of the singular points at the origin.

Then, this implies you affirm some sort of "Steady State"
hypothesis, there's good old Bondi and Hoyle and these sorts,
who, are sort of associated with the hypothesis.

The "Cyclic Cosmology" isn't so different.

That, "mathematics is just counting", now, for some people,
"mathematics is just geometry", and for some "mathematics
is the science of infinity". So, you might have what one
might call a "finitist" view?

There's much to be said for the incredible success since
electron physics, after it was discovered that a given
amount of electrical current was associated with a given
amount of mass of a given system of electrolysis, then
after the stoichiometry, that given amounts of masses of
chemical elements completely reacted to given amounts of
masses of compounds, that electron physics, after a
measurement of the mass for the charge of an electron,
and the great concept of quantized particles, there's
much to be said for the great success of electron physics.
Then, thankfully, de Broglie roundly paint-canned that
"electrons aren't waves", then as with regards to the
measurement of constants, that NIST CODATA of course
arrives each few years with the new values of the constants,
and over time, they have steadily decreased, not just getting
more precise, yet even smaller, according to energy and
configuration of physics.

So, electron physics, and the great success of the quantum,
and the mathematics thereof, after the "ultraviolet catastrophe",
then basically has today for neutrino physics, some "infrared
catastrophe", about how to get figured for

emission, and absorption, of spectroscopic lines,
the adiabatic, the non-adiabatic,
"resonance theory",
"second sound after sum harmonics",
"the non-local",
"molecular chemistry above atomic chemistry",
"Coulomb effect",

and on and on, it's that mathematics is to provide the
mathematics for continuum mechanics and continuum dynamics,
and physics is to figure out its super-models, of the
classical, what result a more proper "theory of sum potentials".

Anyways that "why is there three dimensions of space and
a ray of time", some have that it's just a natural result
according to inference, "Original Order".

Einstein basically buttoned up Relativity to result
"it is what it is", so, ..., he's considered a model
grandiose hedge.