https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13864

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753115

" When I started the blog I was 20 years past my Ph.D., in the middle of
some sort of an odd career. Today I’m 66, 40 years past the Ph.D., much
closer to the end of a career and a life than to a beginning. In 2004 I
was looking at nearly twenty years of domination of fundamental theory
by a speculative idea that to me had never looked promising and by then
was clearly a failure. 20 years later this story has become highly
disturbing. The refusal to admit failure and move on has to a large
degree killed off the field as a serious science. " -- Peter Woit

On 03/20/2024 04:13 AM, Aether Regained wrote:
> https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13864
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753115
>
> " When I started the blog I was 20 years past my Ph.D., in the middle of
> some sort of an odd career. Today I’m 66, 40 years past the Ph.D., much
> closer to the end of a career and a life than to a beginning. In 2004 I
> was looking at nearly twenty years of domination of fundamental theory
> by a speculative idea that to me had never looked promising and by then
> was clearly a failure. 20 years later this story has become highly
> disturbing. The refusal to admit failure and move on has to a large
> degree killed off the field as a serious science. " -- Peter Woit
>

Supersymmetry has come back umpteen-many times.

That's basically what it does, supersymmetry,
like "we found a new rule and as long as you
don't look at it cross-wise, the supersymmetrical
explanation for it is now gone!" Then, somebody
looks around, and it results, "hey, you know,
supersymmetry isn't dead again".

He says "higher energy scales" but doesn't mention
"running constants" so I kind of wonder whether
he just thinks the universe grows and particles
shrink or, what.

I'm a fan of Woit among some physicists,
but I'm not quite sure how he's, "not even wrong".

The title "Not Even Wrong" is pretty great,
it indicates several things, about first of
all the "purely theoretical" theories what
can't be applied, then in the applied, what
results either not observables or not falsifiables.

It reflects on the usual greatest credo
or maxim "Quantum Mechanics is Never Wrong",
vis-a-vis, doing it wrong or not right.

I don't follow Woit's blog, but read it
at least since more than a decade ago,
and usually when it was a strong enough
statement about the direction of physics,
that I relate it in some sense to Turok's
"Crisis" in physics, or in terms of evolution
and revolution, conceptually or theoretically,
and also to Penrose's "Fashion, Faith, and
Fantasy", with regards to the crisis in
physics, that functional freedom arrives
at GR and QM both right to 30 orders of
magnitude, yet in extrapolation disagreeing
to 120 orders of magnitude.

My own sort of theory is rather "theory first",
with regards to not having to be right, while
at the same time, theoretically it's eventually
so that the practical and applied, is from
pure principles, vis-a-vis Einstein's "model
physicist" and Einstein's "model philosopher",
vis-a-vis "shut up and compute", and these
kinds of ideas.

So anyways, supersymmetry is not dead: AGAIN,
and it's the way of things, and Quantum Mechanics
is Never Wrong, and Continuum Mechanics is what's right.

Similarly the super-string theory, that being
just a backdrop for Continuum Mechanics under
atomism and the Democritan and Planckian,
if "Not Even Wrong" it's also "Never Wrong".

One wonders about taking blog feeds and finding
their Atom or RSS feeds and making digests what
result summary and digest NNTP feeds,
it's sort of an open system.

"Is it Mach-ian?" What kind of question is that, ....

So, the age of electron physics, and the ultraviolet catastrophe,
is for supersymmetry super-string neutrino physics,
then as for an infrared catastrophe,
where a catastrophe is a singularity
is a perestroika is an opening is a multiplicity:
is a good thing, then for space terms and getting
electromagnetic and nuclear radiation better understood
about the special optical visible light,
as what's old is new again, and not just wrapped as new.

Warm regards, good luck

Luck: you can't need it.

Ross Finlayson wrote:

> Supersymmetry has come back umpteen-many times.
> That's basically what it does, supersymmetry,
> like "we found a new rule and as long as you
> don't look at it cross-wise, the supersymmetrical
> explanation for it is now gone!" Then, somebody
> looks around, and it results, "hey, you know,
> supersymmetry isn't dead again".

so true indeed. Speaking the witch, here we go

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱_𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗮𝘆_𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁_𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻_𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀_–_𝗲𝘅-𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿 lol
A former Kiev official floated the idea in response to Washington’s “loan”
proposal
https://r%74.com/russia/594578-ukraine-repay-west-loan/
If Kiev wins, Washington and its allies will be rewarded for their
military aid with Russian natural resources

“Thou shalt not steal” says The Lord.

So Kiev's victory includes the natural resource spoils of a defeated
Russia? Is that what the Finns and Baltic gnomes have been frothing at the
mouth over?

Both , NATO , Ukraine and Kuleba possibly do not belong to the planet
earth lol in a light year,

Wonder what kind of new drug these individuals are smoking?

Stealing and plundering, just like their nazi masters. Bandera flair.

They are literally BSing each other at this point.

Delusional sunzabiches

I wonder where Ukraine finds all these politicians? So many fools in one
place!

WTF? Are they fantasizing about conquering Russia??

On 03/20/2024 09:20 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 03/20/2024 04:13 AM, Aether Regained wrote:
>> https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13864
>>
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753115
>>
>> " When I started the blog I was 20 years past my Ph.D., in the middle of
>> some sort of an odd career. Today I’m 66, 40 years past the Ph.D., much
>> closer to the end of a career and a life than to a beginning. In 2004 I
>> was looking at nearly twenty years of domination of fundamental theory
>> by a speculative idea that to me had never looked promising and by then
>> was clearly a failure. 20 years later this story has become highly
>> disturbing. The refusal to admit failure and move on has to a large
>> degree killed off the field as a serious science. " -- Peter Woit
>>
>
>
> Supersymmetry has come back umpteen-many times.
>
> That's basically what it does, supersymmetry,
> like "we found a new rule and as long as you
> don't look at it cross-wise, the supersymmetrical
> explanation for it is now gone!" Then, somebody
> looks around, and it results, "hey, you know,
> supersymmetry isn't dead again".
>
>
> He says "higher energy scales" but doesn't mention
> "running constants" so I kind of wonder whether
> he just thinks the universe grows and particles
> shrink or, what.
>
>
> I'm a fan of Woit among some physicists,
> but I'm not quite sure how he's, "not even wrong".
>
> The title "Not Even Wrong" is pretty great,
> it indicates several things, about first of
> all the "purely theoretical" theories what
> can't be applied, then in the applied, what
> results either not observables or not falsifiables.
>
> It reflects on the usual greatest credo
> or maxim "Quantum Mechanics is Never Wrong",
> vis-a-vis, doing it wrong or not right.
>
> I don't follow Woit's blog, but read it
> at least since more than a decade ago,
> and usually when it was a strong enough
> statement about the direction of physics,
> that I relate it in some sense to Turok's
> "Crisis" in physics, or in terms of evolution
> and revolution, conceptually or theoretically,
> and also to Penrose's "Fashion, Faith, and
> Fantasy", with regards to the crisis in
> physics, that functional freedom arrives
> at GR and QM both right to 30 orders of
> magnitude, yet in extrapolation disagreeing
> to 120 orders of magnitude.
>
>
> My own sort of theory is rather "theory first",
> with regards to not having to be right, while
> at the same time, theoretically it's eventually
> so that the practical and applied, is from
> pure principles, vis-a-vis Einstein's "model
> physicist" and Einstein's "model philosopher",
> vis-a-vis "shut up and compute", and these
> kinds of ideas.
>
>
>
> So anyways, supersymmetry is not dead: AGAIN,
> and it's the way of things, and Quantum Mechanics
> is Never Wrong, and Continuum Mechanics is what's right.
>
>
> Similarly the super-string theory, that being
> just a backdrop for Continuum Mechanics under
> atomism and the Democritan and Planckian,
> if "Not Even Wrong" it's also "Never Wrong".
>
>
> One wonders about taking blog feeds and finding
> their Atom or RSS feeds and making digests what
> result summary and digest NNTP feeds,
> it's sort of an open system.
>
>
> "Is it Mach-ian?" What kind of question is that, ....
>
>
> So, the age of electron physics, and the ultraviolet catastrophe,
> is for supersymmetry super-string neutrino physics,
> then as for an infrared catastrophe,
> where a catastrophe is a singularity
> is a perestroika is an opening is a multiplicity:
> is a good thing, then for space terms and getting
> electromagnetic and nuclear radiation better understood
> about the special optical visible light,
> as what's old is new again, and not just wrapped as new.
>
> Warm regards, good luck
>
> Luck: you can't need it.
>
>

One of the conceptual challenges of supersymmetry
is partners and partnerinos, two concepts, one of
them about the "high energy unification", the other
about the "low energy unification", the one at too high
energies to be found, the other at too low energies.

Being kinetic and all the atom is sort of the graviton,
then with "bigger bosons" and "gravitinos", supersymmetry
and for "symmetry-flex" as a concept is at least two concepts,
with a usual idea that high-energy is totally contrived as
according to either cosmology or collider, while low-energy
happens all the time and represents the flux of arbitrarily
small and fast and "ultramundane corpuscles", if only
because everything's a particle.

The term "flux" then also has quite a variation in terms of
its meaning. The Gaussian sort of flux is like potential
of a surface, like a Poincare surface, that just illustrate
continuity laws, while it's arbitrarily non-zero, in closed
systems. The fleeting flux then, like photons for example
but all the neutrinos and other fast parternerinos,
and for example photinos, is quite altogether about
the two notions of the one term, two definitions.

So, supersymmetry and flux and symmetry-flex, with that
not being the symmetry-breaking either way yet flex,
is sort of like Aristotle's versus Leibniz' entropy, which
isn't disorder yet simply minimization in whatever terms,
potentials, sum-of-histories, sum-of-potentials.

When half the people don't even know there are
two meanings to "supersymmetric", "flux", and "entropy",
then, it's usually easier to leave out the other half
they don't know also.

Ross Finlayson:
> On 03/20/2024 09:20 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 03/20/2024 04:13 AM, Aether Regained wrote:
>>> https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13864
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753115
>>>
>>> " When I started the blog I was 20 years past my Ph.D., in the middle of
>>> some sort of an odd career. Today I’m 66, 40 years past the Ph.D., much
>>> closer to the end of a career and a life than to a beginning. In 2004 I
>>> was looking at nearly twenty years of domination of fundamental theory
>>> by a speculative idea that to me had never looked promising and by then
>>> was clearly a failure. 20 years later this story has become highly
>>> disturbing. The refusal to admit failure and move on has to a large
>>> degree killed off the field as a serious science. " -- Peter Woit
>>>
>>
>>
>> Supersymmetry has come back umpteen-many times.
>>
>> That's basically what it does, supersymmetry,
>> like "we found a new rule and as long as you
>> don't look at it cross-wise, the supersymmetrical
>> explanation for it is now gone!"  Then, somebody
>> looks around, and it results, "hey, you know,
>> supersymmetry isn't dead again".
>>
>>
>> He says "higher energy scales" but doesn't mention
>> "running constants" so I kind of wonder whether
>> he just thinks the universe grows and particles
>> shrink or, what.
>>
>>
>> I'm a fan of Woit among some physicists,
>> but I'm not quite sure how he's, "not even wrong".
>>
>> The title "Not Even Wrong" is pretty great,
>> it indicates several things, about first of
>> all the "purely theoretical" theories what
>> can't be applied, then in the applied, what
>> results either not observables or not falsifiables.
>>
>> It reflects on the usual greatest credo
>> or maxim "Quantum Mechanics is Never Wrong",
>> vis-a-vis, doing it wrong or not right.
>>
>> I don't follow Woit's blog, but read it
>> at least since more than a decade ago,
>> and usually when it was a strong enough
>> statement about the direction of physics,
>> that I relate it in some sense to Turok's
>> "Crisis" in physics, or in terms of evolution
>> and revolution, conceptually or theoretically,
>> and also to Penrose's "Fashion, Faith, and
>> Fantasy", with regards to the crisis in
>> physics, that functional freedom arrives
>> at GR and QM both right to 30 orders of
>> magnitude, yet in extrapolation disagreeing
>> to 120 orders of magnitude.
>>
>>
>> My own sort of theory is rather "theory first",
>> with regards to not having to be right, while
>> at the same time, theoretically it's eventually
>> so that the practical and applied, is from
>> pure principles, vis-a-vis Einstein's "model
>> physicist" and Einstein's "model philosopher",
>> vis-a-vis "shut up and compute", and these
>> kinds of ideas.
>>
>>
>>
>> So anyways, supersymmetry is not dead:  AGAIN,
>> and it's the way of things, and Quantum Mechanics
>> is Never Wrong, and Continuum Mechanics is what's right.
>>
>>
>> Similarly the super-string theory, that being
>> just a backdrop for Continuum Mechanics under
>> atomism and the Democritan and Planckian,
>> if "Not Even Wrong" it's also "Never Wrong".
>>
>>
>> One wonders about taking blog feeds and finding
>> their Atom or RSS feeds and making digests what
>> result summary and digest NNTP feeds,
>> it's sort of an open system.
>>
>>
>> "Is it Mach-ian?"  What kind of question is that, ....
>>
>>
>> So, the age of electron physics, and the ultraviolet catastrophe,
>> is for supersymmetry super-string neutrino physics,
>> then as for an infrared catastrophe,
>> where a catastrophe is a singularity
>> is a perestroika is an opening is a multiplicity:
>> is a good thing, then for space terms and getting
>> electromagnetic and nuclear radiation better understood
>> about the special optical visible light,
>> as what's old is new again, and not just wrapped as new.
>>
>> Warm regards, good luck
>>
>> Luck:  you can't need it.
>>
>>
>
>
> One of the conceptual challenges of supersymmetry
> is partners and partnerinos, two concepts, one of
> them about the "high energy unification", the other
> about the "low energy unification", the one at too high
> energies to be found, the other at too low energies.
>
> Being kinetic and all the atom is sort of the graviton,
> then with "bigger bosons" and "gravitinos", supersymmetry
> and for "symmetry-flex" as a concept is at least two concepts,
> with a usual idea that high-energy is totally contrived as
> according to either cosmology or collider, while low-energy
> happens all the time and represents the flux of arbitrarily
> small and fast and "ultramundane corpuscles", if only
> because everything's a particle.
>
> The term "flux" then also has quite a variation in terms of
> its meaning. The Gaussian sort of flux is like potential
> of a surface, like a Poincare surface, that just illustrate
> continuity laws, while it's arbitrarily non-zero, in closed
> systems. The fleeting flux then, like photons for example
> but all the neutrinos and other fast parternerinos,
> and for example photinos, is quite altogether about
> the two notions of the one term, two definitions.
>
> So, supersymmetry and flux and symmetry-flex, with that
> not being the symmetry-breaking either way yet flex,
> is sort of like Aristotle's versus Leibniz' entropy, which
> isn't disorder yet simply minimization in whatever terms,
> potentials, sum-of-histories, sum-of-potentials.
>
> When half the people don't even know there are
> two meanings to "supersymmetric", "flux", and "entropy",
> then, it's usually easier to leave out the other half
> they don't know also.
>
>

@Ross, IIRC you used to write with a lot more clarity. Have you
outsourced your thinking to a hallucinating AI bot or what?

Aether Regained <AetherRegaind@invalid.com> wrote:

> https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13864
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753115
>
> " When I started the blog I was 20 years past my Ph.D., in the middle of
> some sort of an odd career. Today I'm 66, 40 years past the Ph.D., much
> closer to the end of a career and a life than to a beginning. In 2004 I
> was looking at nearly twenty years of domination of fundamental theory
> by a speculative idea that to me had never looked promising and by then
> was clearly a failure. 20 years later this story has become highly
> disturbing. The refusal to admit failure and move on has to a large
> degree killed off the field as a serious science. " -- Peter Woit

Anyone can say that something is 'not even wrong'. It is easy.
The hard thing is saying something that is wrong, or even better, right.

As long as you cannot do the latter, things that are 'not even wrong'
may be better than not saying anything at all,
because things might evolve, after all.

But, as Imre Lakatos has said:
Not condemning a theory, and career advice for aspiring students
are two very different things indeed,

Jan

On 03/26/2024 05:27 AM, Aether Regained wrote:
> Ross Finlayson:
>> On 03/20/2024 09:20 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 03/20/2024 04:13 AM, Aether Regained wrote:
>>>> https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=13864
>>>>
>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753115
>>>>
>>>> " When I started the blog I was 20 years past my Ph.D., in the middle of
>>>> some sort of an odd career. Today I’m 66, 40 years past the Ph.D., much
>>>> closer to the end of a career and a life than to a beginning. In 2004 I
>>>> was looking at nearly twenty years of domination of fundamental theory
>>>> by a speculative idea that to me had never looked promising and by then
>>>> was clearly a failure. 20 years later this story has become highly
>>>> disturbing. The refusal to admit failure and move on has to a large
>>>> degree killed off the field as a serious science. " -- Peter Woit
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Supersymmetry has come back umpteen-many times.
>>>
>>> That's basically what it does, supersymmetry,
>>> like "we found a new rule and as long as you
>>> don't look at it cross-wise, the supersymmetrical
>>> explanation for it is now gone!" Then, somebody
>>> looks around, and it results, "hey, you know,
>>> supersymmetry isn't dead again".
>>>
>>>
>>> He says "higher energy scales" but doesn't mention
>>> "running constants" so I kind of wonder whether
>>> he just thinks the universe grows and particles
>>> shrink or, what.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a fan of Woit among some physicists,
>>> but I'm not quite sure how he's, "not even wrong".
>>>
>>> The title "Not Even Wrong" is pretty great,
>>> it indicates several things, about first of
>>> all the "purely theoretical" theories what
>>> can't be applied, then in the applied, what
>>> results either not observables or not falsifiables.
>>>
>>> It reflects on the usual greatest credo
>>> or maxim "Quantum Mechanics is Never Wrong",
>>> vis-a-vis, doing it wrong or not right.
>>>
>>> I don't follow Woit's blog, but read it
>>> at least since more than a decade ago,
>>> and usually when it was a strong enough
>>> statement about the direction of physics,
>>> that I relate it in some sense to Turok's
>>> "Crisis" in physics, or in terms of evolution
>>> and revolution, conceptually or theoretically,
>>> and also to Penrose's "Fashion, Faith, and
>>> Fantasy", with regards to the crisis in
>>> physics, that functional freedom arrives
>>> at GR and QM both right to 30 orders of
>>> magnitude, yet in extrapolation disagreeing
>>> to 120 orders of magnitude.
>>>
>>>
>>> My own sort of theory is rather "theory first",
>>> with regards to not having to be right, while
>>> at the same time, theoretically it's eventually
>>> so that the practical and applied, is from
>>> pure principles, vis-a-vis Einstein's "model
>>> physicist" and Einstein's "model philosopher",
>>> vis-a-vis "shut up and compute", and these
>>> kinds of ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So anyways, supersymmetry is not dead: AGAIN,
>>> and it's the way of things, and Quantum Mechanics
>>> is Never Wrong, and Continuum Mechanics is what's right.
>>>
>>>
>>> Similarly the super-string theory, that being
>>> just a backdrop for Continuum Mechanics under
>>> atomism and the Democritan and Planckian,
>>> if "Not Even Wrong" it's also "Never Wrong".
>>>
>>>
>>> One wonders about taking blog feeds and finding
>>> their Atom or RSS feeds and making digests what
>>> result summary and digest NNTP feeds,
>>> it's sort of an open system.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Is it Mach-ian?" What kind of question is that, ....
>>>
>>>
>>> So, the age of electron physics, and the ultraviolet catastrophe,
>>> is for supersymmetry super-string neutrino physics,
>>> then as for an infrared catastrophe,
>>> where a catastrophe is a singularity
>>> is a perestroika is an opening is a multiplicity:
>>> is a good thing, then for space terms and getting
>>> electromagnetic and nuclear radiation better understood
>>> about the special optical visible light,
>>> as what's old is new again, and not just wrapped as new.
>>>
>>> Warm regards, good luck
>>>
>>> Luck: you can't need it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> One of the conceptual challenges of supersymmetry
>> is partners and partnerinos, two concepts, one of
>> them about the "high energy unification", the other
>> about the "low energy unification", the one at too high
>> energies to be found, the other at too low energies.
>>
>> Being kinetic and all the atom is sort of the graviton,
>> then with "bigger bosons" and "gravitinos", supersymmetry
>> and for "symmetry-flex" as a concept is at least two concepts,
>> with a usual idea that high-energy is totally contrived as
>> according to either cosmology or collider, while low-energy
>> happens all the time and represents the flux of arbitrarily
>> small and fast and "ultramundane corpuscles", if only
>> because everything's a particle.
>>
>> The term "flux" then also has quite a variation in terms of
>> its meaning. The Gaussian sort of flux is like potential
>> of a surface, like a Poincare surface, that just illustrate
>> continuity laws, while it's arbitrarily non-zero, in closed
>> systems. The fleeting flux then, like photons for example
>> but all the neutrinos and other fast parternerinos,
>> and for example photinos, is quite altogether about
>> the two notions of the one term, two definitions.
>>
>> So, supersymmetry and flux and symmetry-flex, with that
>> not being the symmetry-breaking either way yet flex,
>> is sort of like Aristotle's versus Leibniz' entropy, which
>> isn't disorder yet simply minimization in whatever terms,
>> potentials, sum-of-histories, sum-of-potentials.
>>
>> When half the people don't even know there are
>> two meanings to "supersymmetric", "flux", and "entropy",
>> then, it's usually easier to leave out the other half
>> they don't know also.
>>
>>
>
> @Ross, IIRC you used to write with a lot more clarity. Have you
> outsourced your thinking to a hallucinating AI bot or what?
>
>

Let's see, first I must suppose that Ross _A_ Finlayson
and Ross _S_ Finlayson are two quite different people
who've written Usenet before, I have a 30-year campaign
on about Foundations while he is an IETF engineer among
other things, without about a ten year head start,
just that I don't know if you imagine there couldn't be
more than one.

I'm pretty sure though that sci.math, sci.logic, and
also sci.physics.relativity, that's all me.

Also these days comp.theory and sometime sci.lang, ....

Then, here, I imagine you haven't heard about "supersymmetry
is at least two different things in high and low energy"
and "flux is at least two different things" and "entropy
is at least two different things", which would be quite
"Standard", and to be expected to be understood from being
only and exactly a model instructee of the linear curriculum.

So, if you don't recall correctly, ..., otherwise though
indeed if you happen to have been following sci.physics.relativity
for the past couple years, I keep talking about "space contraction"
and "fall gravity" and "unifying physics" and "foundations"
and such, then that "mathematics _owes_ physics more, and
better, mathematics of continuity and infinity", that being
about the most usual. It's a super-classical sum-of-histories
sum-of-potential theory, "Is it Mach-ian?", why yes it is.

Again, and of course no offense nor confusion intended,
if the point of confusion is a matter of two different identities,
I wouldn't know, and, thus far any interaction with
mechanical reasoning is limited to what search results I get,
vis-a-vis a brief conversation the other day with "Gemini",
where I gave it a brief demonstration of line-reals in
formalism and had it think that.