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* The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsRichard Hachel
`* Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsPaul B. Andersen
 +* Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsRichard Hachel
 |`* Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsPaul B. Andersen
 | +- Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsMaciej Wozniak
 | `* Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsRichard Hachel
 |  +* Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsRichard Hachel
 |  |`- Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsPaul B. Andersen
 |  +- Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsThaddeus Pantelakos Kefalas
 |  `- Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsPaul B. Andersen
 `- Re: The impotence of Minkowskian relativistsMaciej Wozniak

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The impotence of Minkowskian relativists

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 15:06 UTC

They are unable to fight against Doctor Hachel.
This should serve as a testimony to them.
No way.
Blinded by their madness, they behave like the captain of the Titanic....
"Captain, things are going badly, the hull didn't hold together, the ship
is going to fall apart before it even has time to see America, there are
leaks."
What does the captain do: “Speed up the ship, we must reach New York as
quickly as possible”.
“Captain, the ship is going to fall apart!!!”
“We will say that we have encountered an iceberg, they will swallow it
for at least two thousand years.”
The navite split in two.
Thousands of deaths.
But everyone is happy. The honor of the Royal Navy is safe.

Always, always, always, the same phenomenon occurs again.

What matters in men (and women) is the size of their balls.

The rest is just trivial considerations.

Their balls are so beautiful...

R.H.

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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 11:12 UTC

Den 06.04.2024 17:06, skrev Richard Hachel:
> They are unable to fight against Doctor Hachel.
> This should serve as a testimony to them.
> No way.
> Blinded by their madness, they behave like the captain of the Titanic....
> "Captain, things are going badly, the hull didn't hold together, the
> ship is going to fall apart before it even has time to see America,
> there are leaks."
> What does the captain do: “Speed up the ship, we must reach New York as
> quickly as possible”.
> “Captain, the ship is going to fall apart!!!”

A very good analogy, indeed.

Paul is saying:
"Captain Hachel, your theory is full of holes and is sinking."

What does captain Hachel do?
Blinded by his madness he whines:

> Always, always, always, the same phenomenon occurs again.

And what always, always, always, occurs again is that
Paul proves that Captain Richard Hachel's theory is full of
holes and has been sunk for 40 years.

And it occurs again:

It is experimentally proved that the speed of protons
in the Large Hadron Collider never exceed c.

Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons
in the Large Hadron Collider is 6927⋅c.

Inevitable conclusion:
Richard Hachel's "theory" is falsified.

And then always, always, always, the same phenomenon occurs again:
Richard Hachel whines, but does not even comment the fact
that his theory is falsified.

>
> What matters in men (and women) is the size of their balls.
>
> The rest is just trivial considerations.
>
> Their balls are so beautiful...

I am not particularly interested in the size of your balls.

But why are you so preoccupied with the beauty of men's (and women's) balls?
--
Paul, having fun

https://paulba.no/

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 11:16 UTC

Le 07/04/2024 à 13:10, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
> Den 06.04.2024 17:06, skrev Richard Hachel:

> Paul, having fun

I don't think relativistic wanderings are so funny.

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:26 UTC

W dniu 07.04.2024 o 13:12, Paul B. Andersen pisze:
> Den 06.04.2024 17:06, skrev Richard Hachel:
>> They are unable to fight against Doctor Hachel.
>> This should serve as a testimony to them.
>> No way.
>> Blinded by their madness, they behave like the captain of the Titanic....
>> "Captain, things are going badly, the hull didn't hold together, the
>> ship is going to fall apart before it even has time to see America,
>> there are leaks."
>> What does the captain do: “Speed up the ship, we must reach New York
>> as quickly as possible”.
>> “Captain, the ship is going to fall apart!!!”
>
> A very good analogy, indeed.
>
> Paul is saying:
> "Captain Hachel, your theory is full of holes and is sinking."
>
> What does captain Hachel do?
> Blinded by his madness he whines:
>
>> Always, always, always, the same phenomenon occurs again.
>
> And what always, always, always, occurs again is that
> Paul proves that Captain Richard Hachel's theory is full of
> holes and has been sunk for 40 years.

Unlike The Shit of Paul's idiot guru, which
wasn't even consistent - but in the same time
so dark and twisted and mystical that noone
noticed that.

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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:32 UTC

Den 07.04.2024 13:16, skrev Richard Hachel:
> Le 07/04/2024 à 13:10, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>> Den 06.04.2024 17:06, skrev Richard Hachel:
>
>> Paul, having fun
>
> I don't think relativistic wanderings are so funny.
>
> R.H.

I have fun.
But I can understand that you don't.

It's no fun to have your theory falsified, is it?

And what always, always, always, occurs again is that
Paul proves that Captain Richard Hachel's theory is faløsified.

And it occurs again:

It is experimentally proved that the speed of protons
in the Large Hadron Collider never exceed c.

Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons
in the Large Hadron Collider is 6927⋅c.

Inevitable conclusion:
Richard Hachel's "theory" is falsified.

And then always, always, always, the same phenomenon occurs again:
Richard Hachel whines, but does not even comment the fact
that his theory is falsified, hoping nobody will notice.

--
Paul, whose morbid sense of humour make him love to rub it in

https://paulba.no/

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:34 UTC

W dniu 07.04.2024 o 14:32, Paul B. Andersen pisze:

> And what always, always, always, occurs again is that
> Paul proves that Captain Richard Hachel's theory is faløsified.

Only such an idiot can believe those fairy tales
of falsifications.

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 23:39 UTC

Le 07/04/2024 à 14:30, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
> Den 07.04.2024 13:16, skrev Richard Hachel:

> Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons
> in the Large Hadron Collider is 6927⋅c.

This is not a prediction, it is a fact.

The speed of the protons is indeed 6927c, which is, obviously, enormous
speeds.

There is also a way to calculate the momentum and kinetic energy of these
protons.

p=m.Vr
Ec=mc².[sqrt(1+Vr²/c²) -1)

What you don't seem to understand is that the measured speeds are not the
real speeds but only the speeds observable in the laboratory reference
frame.

This other speed (Vo) is an illusion and is so false that if we use it to
describe things in accelerated frames of reference
we will find inconsistent and relative speeds with the position of the
observer in this same frame of reference.

Python also understood this very well, when he said that the speeds
observable at Hachel ARE inconsistent because they vary depending on the
position of who measures it in the frame of reference which indeed seems
absurd.

But that’s exactly what I’m trying so hard to explain to you (and to
others).

This is absurd because it is FALSE. This speed is NOT consistent.

If you take the real speed, all the nonsense disappears.

The instantaneous real velocity remains constant for all observers in all
reference frames, including accelerated ones.

Not instantaneous observable velocities (Voi).

Note that the Voi which must be measured correctly must be measured at the
same place where the particle passes, and not from a distant location in
the accelerated frames of reference.

And that the correct equation is Voi/c=[1+c²/2ax]^(-1/2) and not what the
relativists say.

R.H.

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 23:49 UTC

Le 08/04/2024 à 01:39, Richard Hachel a écrit :
> Le 07/04/2024 à 14:30, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>> Den 07.04.2024 13:16, skrev Richard Hachel:
>
>> Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons
>> in the Large Hadron Collider is 6927⋅c.
>
> This is not a prediction, it is a fact.
>
> The speed of the protons is indeed 6927c, which is, obviously, enormous speeds.
>
> There is also a way to calculate the momentum and kinetic energy of these
> protons.
>
> p=m.Vr
> Ec=mc².[sqrt(1+Vr²/c²) -1)
>
> What you don't seem to understand is that the measured speeds are not the real
> speeds but only the speeds observable in the laboratory reference frame.
>
> This other speed (Vo) is an illusion and is so false that if we use it to
> describe things in accelerated frames of reference
> we will find inconsistent and relative speeds with the position of the observer
> in this same frame of reference.
>
> Python also understood this very well, when he said that the speeds observable
> at Hachel ARE inconsistent because they vary depending on the
> position of who measures it in the frame of reference which indeed seems absurd.
>
> But that’s exactly what I’m trying so hard to explain to you (and to
> others).
>
> This is absurd because it is FALSE. This speed is NOT consistent.
>
> If you take the real speed, all the nonsense disappears.
>
> The instantaneous real velocity remains constant for all observers in all
> reference frames, including accelerated ones.
>
> Not instantaneous observable velocities (Voi).
>
> Note that the Voi which must be measured correctly must be measured at the same
> place where the particle passes, and not from a distant location in the
> accelerated frames of reference.
>
> And that the correct equation is Voi/c=[1+c²/2ax]^(-1/2) and not what the
> relativists say.
>
> R.H.

Paul B. Andersen objects that it is necessary to precisely regulate
electromagnetic fields, etc.

And therefore depending on Vo=0.999999990c rather than Vr=6927c.

I'm not saying the opposite.

The times to be taken into account in the laboratory reference frames to
adjust the fields crossed are those of the laboratory and not that of the
proton.

R.H.

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Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 07/04/2024 à 14:30, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons in the
>> Large Hadron Collider is 6927⋅c.
>
> This is not a prediction, it is a fact.The speed of the protons is indeed
> 6927c, which is, obviously, enormous speeds.There is also a way to
> calculate the momentum and kinetic energy of these protons.
> p=m.Vr Ec=mc².[sqrt(1+Vr²/c²) -1)

here's the uneducated and unskilled 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮 bill gaytes, plainly
saying he is "𝙦𝙪𝙞𝙩𝙚_𝙤𝙥𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙘" that killing you and your children with
viruses and vaccines he "𝙝𝙖𝙨_𝙞𝙣_𝙩𝙝𝙚_𝙥𝙞𝙥𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙚" which is of benefit.

subhuman excrement clauss schwab anal :
"𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗲𝗲 𝗮𝘀 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗶𝘀𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗟𝗲𝗴𝗮𝗰𝘆 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝗲𝘅𝘁 10, 15
𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀?"

subhuman excrement uneducated autistic mental retarded bill gaytes :
"𝗜 𝘀𝗮𝗶𝗱 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗮𝗺𝗯𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝘂𝘀 𝗴𝗼𝗮𝗹𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝗜'𝗺 𝗾𝘂𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗽𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗰. 𝗜𝗙 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗮𝘁
20 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗚𝗹𝗼𝗯𝗮𝗹 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗵 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺 𝗴𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿, 𝗜 𝗱𝗼𝗻'𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁
𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 15 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗮𝗹𝗳 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝘄𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗵𝗮𝗱 𝗮 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗱𝗿𝗮𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗮𝗰𝘁.
𝗦𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀, 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗔𝗜𝗗𝗦, 𝘄𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹
𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲 𝗮𝗻 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁, 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗱𝗿𝗮𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁. 𝗣𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗮𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁
𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝗳𝗿𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝗠𝗮𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗵𝗮𝗽𝘀, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘀, 𝘄𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲
𝗽𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲, 𝗦𝗼 𝗵𝘂𝗴𝗲 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗱𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹𝗼𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗲𝘀,
𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗿𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗽𝗼𝗽𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻, 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁'𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗶𝗴 𝗯𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗳𝗶𝘁
𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲𝘀 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴, 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝘂𝘁𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗹𝗼𝘁 𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗶𝗲𝗿."

𝘽𝙞𝙡𝙡_𝙂𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙨_&_𝙆𝙡𝙖𝙪𝙨_𝙎𝙘𝙝𝙬𝙖𝙗_𝘿𝙞𝙨𝙘𝙪𝙨𝙨_𝙁𝙪𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙚_𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙_𝙂𝙤𝙖𝙡𝙨_𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙩_𝙒𝙞𝙡𝙡_𝙍𝙚𝙙𝙪𝙘𝙚_𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙_𝙋𝙤𝙥𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣
https://b%69%74%63%68%75te.com/video/kxOmhmIqQhIs

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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:37 UTC

Den 08.04.2024 01:39, skrev Richard Hachel:
> Le 07/04/2024 à 14:30, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>
>> Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons
>> in the Large Hadron Collider is  6927⋅c.
>
> This is not a prediction, it is a fact.

:-D

>
> The speed of the protons is indeed 6927c, which is, obviously, enormous
> speeds.
>
> There is also a way to calculate the momentum and kinetic energy of
> these protons.
>
> p=m.Vr
> Ec=mc².[sqrt(1+Vr²/c²) -1)
>
> What you don't seem to understand is that the measured speeds are not
> the real speeds but only the speeds observable in the laboratory
> reference frame.
>
> This other speed (Vo) is an illusion and is so false that if we use it
> to describe things in accelerated frames of reference
> we will find inconsistent and relative speeds with the position of the
> observer in this same frame of reference.
>
> Python also understood this very well, when he said that the speeds
> observable at Hachel ARE inconsistent because they vary depending on the
> position of who measures it in the frame of reference which indeed seems
> absurd.
>
> But that’s exactly what I’m trying so hard to explain to you (and to
> others).
>
> This is absurd because it is FALSE. This speed is NOT consistent.
>
> If you take the real speed, all the nonsense disappears.
>
> The instantaneous real velocity remains constant for all observers in
> all reference frames, including accelerated ones.
>
> Not instantaneous observable velocities (Voi).
>
> Note that the Voi which must be measured correctly must be measured at
> the same place where the particle passes, and not from a distant
> location in the accelerated frames of reference.
>
> And that the correct equation is Voi/c=[1+c²/2ax]^(-1/2) and not what
> the relativists say.
>
> R.H.

Your nonsense has been amusing, but now it is getting boring!

You are the most cranky crank I have ever encountered.
Well done!

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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 by: Paul B. Andersen - Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:47 UTC

Den 08.04.2024 01:49, skrev Richard Hachel:
> Le 08/04/2024 à 01:39, Richard Hachel a écrit :
>> Le 07/04/2024 à 14:30, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>>
>>> Richard Hachel's "theory" predicts that the speed of protons
>>> in the Large Hadron Collider is  6927⋅c.
>>
>> This is not a prediction, it is a fact.
>>

>
> Paul B. Andersen objects that it is necessary to precisely regulate
> electromagnetic fields, etc.
>
> And therefore depending on Vo=0.999999990c rather than Vr=6927c.
>
> I'm not saying the opposite.
>
> The times to be taken into account in the laboratory reference frames to
> adjust the fields crossed are those of the laboratory and not that of
> the proton.

OK. You are still a bit funny.

But I have had enough fun.

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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