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* Proper local timeMaciej Wozniak
+* Re: Proper local timeRichard Hachel
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|`* Re: Proper local timeMaciej Wozniak
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|  |  |`- Re: Proper local timeMaciej Wozniak
|  |  `- Re: Proper local timeTimmie Paitakes
|  `- Re: Proper local timeRichard Hachel
`* Re: Proper local timeJ. J. Lodder
 `- Re: Proper local timeMaciej Wozniak

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 07:05 UTC

Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
about that absurd. And even some of you, like
Lodder - don't.
Common sense was warning your idiot guru.

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 08:51 UTC

Le 16/04/2024 à 09:05, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
> about that absurd. And even some of you, like
> Lodder - don't.
> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.

The notion of "local proper time" looks a bit like a tautology.
Saying: "the local proper time of this phenomenon is 15 microseconds" is
like saying this swallow is a swallow.
There is a proper time, and an improper time. But there is no local proper
time and delocalized proper time.
What happens is just a different notion of time by change of observer in
relativity.
This phenomenon, which lasts 15 microseconds, will have a different
duration if it is measured by a different observer. But proper time itself
is invariant, and is only local in any case.

The correct relativistic equation is :
t'=t.sqrt(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)

And not t'=t.

And not t'=t/sqrt(1-v²/c²)

R.H.

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 by: Python - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:12 UTC

Le 16/04/2024 à 10:51, Richard Hachel a écrit :
> Le 16/04/2024 à 09:05, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
>> about that absurd. And even some of you, like
>> Lodder - don't.
>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>
> The notion of "local proper time" looks a bit like a tautology.
> Saying: "the local proper time of this phenomenon is 15 microseconds" is
> like saying this swallow is a swallow.
> There is a proper time, and an improper time. But there is no local
> proper time and delocalized proper time.
> What happens is just a different notion of time by change of observer in
> relativity.
> This phenomenon, which lasts 15 microseconds, will have a different
> duration if it is measured by a different observer. But proper time
> itself is invariant, and is only local in any case.
>
> The correct relativistic  equation is :
> t'=t.sqrt(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
>
> And not t'=t.
>
> And not t'=t/sqrt(1-v²/c²)

All these equation are wrong.

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:34 UTC

Le 16/04/2024 à 11:12, Python a écrit :
> Le 16/04/2024 à 10:51, Richard Hachel a écrit :
>> Le 16/04/2024 à 09:05, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
>>> about that absurd. And even some of you, like
>>> Lodder - don't.
>>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>>
>> The notion of "local proper time" looks a bit like a tautology.
>> Saying: "the local proper time of this phenomenon is 15 microseconds" is
>> like saying this swallow is a swallow.
>> There is a proper time, and an improper time. But there is no local
>> proper time and delocalized proper time.
>> What happens is just a different notion of time by change of observer in
>> relativity.
>> This phenomenon, which lasts 15 microseconds, will have a different
>> duration if it is measured by a different observer. But proper time
>> itself is invariant, and is only local in any case.
>>
>> The correct relativistic  equation is :
>> t'=t.sqrt(1+cosµ.v/c)/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
>>
>> And not t'=t.
>>
>> And not t'=t/sqrt(1-v²/c²)
>
> All these equation are wrong.

ah merde...

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 11:24 UTC

W dniu 16.04.2024 o 10:51, Richard Hachel pisze:
> Le 16/04/2024 à 09:05, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
>> about that absurd. And even some of you, like
>> Lodder - don't.
>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>
> The notion of "local proper time" looks a bit like a tautology.

Only in the idiotic newspeak of your idiotic
ideology.
Time of the real world was never local and
won't become local just because some morons
have imagined it's proper.

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 by: gharnagel - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 13:05 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 10:51, Richard Hachel pisze:
> >
> > The notion of "local proper time" looks a bit like a tautology.

I guess so, since proper time IS local time.

> Only in the idiotic newspeak of your idiotic ideology.

More Of Wierd Wozzie's lunacy.

proper time (from the Latin, meaning "own time"): "The time as measured
by any observer from a clock at their location that is stationary with
respect to them."

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100349685

> Time of the real world was never local

So Weird Wozzie doesn't have his own time. That explains a LOT! :-)

> and won't become local just because some morons have imagined it's proper.

The only moron here is Mumbling Moron Maciej. He is either a moron because
he doesn't understand reality, or he's a liar who believes his mumbling rants
will be accepted by honest intelligent folk, which makes him a moron. So,
either way, he's a moron.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:30 UTC

W dniu 16.04.2024 o 15:05, gharnagel pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 10:51, Richard Hachel pisze:
>> >
>> > The notion of "local proper time" looks a bit like a tautology.
>
> I guess so, since proper time IS local time.
>
>> Only in the idiotic newspeak of your idiotic ideology.
>
> More Of Wierd Wozzie's lunacy.
>
> proper time (from the Latin, meaning "own time"): "The time as measured
> by any observer from a clock at their location that is stationary with
> respect to them."

Sorry, poor Harrie. Anyone can check at GPS,
what real clocks at real locations measure
has little in common with your "proper"
delusion.
And you've admitted it yourself not so long ago.
Wanna quoting, poor fanatic idiot?

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From: r.hachel@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:18 UTC

Le 16/04/2024 à 15:05, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> proper time (from the Latin, meaning "own time"): "The time as measured
> by any observer from a clock at their location that is stationary with
> respect to them."

Yes, that’s how we should see things.

The proper time (noted real time "Tr" by Doctor Hachel) is the time, that
is to say the duration, measured by an observer placed in the same kinetic
frame of reference (stationary observer).
It is sometimes also called local time.
For example, the half-life of this immobile particle in the laboratory
reference frame is 25 nanoseconds.
Physicists understood very well that this value was relative, and that,
placed in a different reference frame (evolving at very high speed)
another observer would not measure time in the same way.
But I prefer to keep quiet about that for the moment, because the things I
would have to explain, unfortunately as always in the history of humanity,
would not be immediately understood.

R.H.

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 by: gharnagel - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:31 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 15:05, gharnagel pisze:
> >
> > More Of Wierd Wozzie's lunacy.
> >
> > proper time (from the Latin, meaning "own time"): "The time as measured
> > by any observer from a clock at their location that is stationary with
> > respect to them."

> Sorry, poor Harrie. Anyone can check at GPS,
> what real clocks at real locations measure
> has little in common with your "proper"
> delusion.

Wozzie-boy is fantasizing again.

> And you've admitted it yourself not so long ago.
> Wanna quoting, poor fanatic idiot?

Moronic Maciej doesn't understand what ANYONE says,
particularly when he is saying it.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 16:12 UTC

W dniu 16.04.2024 o 17:31, gharnagel pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 15:05, gharnagel pisze:
>> >
>> > More Of Wierd Wozzie's lunacy.
>> > > proper time (from the Latin, meaning "own time"): "The time as
>> measured
>> > by any observer from a clock at their location that is stationary with
>> > respect to them."
>
>> Sorry, poor Harrie. Anyone can check at GPS,
>> what real clocks at real  locations measure
>> has little in common with your  "proper"
>> delusion.
>
> Wozzie-boy is fantasizing again.

If you insist, Harrie...

W dniu 13.04.2024 o 19:56, gharnagel pisze:
> The "improper" clocks in orbit keep proper time
> only on earth.

> Moronic Maciej doesn't understand what ANYONE says,
> particularly when he is saying it.

Raving, lying and casting insults won't help,
poor trash, but what else can you do.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:55 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:

> Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
> about that absurd. And even some of you, like
> Lodder - don't.
> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.

There is no point in adding 'local'.
Proper time interval is a world scalar.
In plain words: It is the same for every observer,

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 12:07 UTC

W dniu 17.04.2024 o 10:55, J. J. Lodder pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>
>> Apart of the Shit's worshippers nobody cares
>> about that absurd. And even some of you, like
>> Lodder - don't.
>> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
>
> There is no point in adding 'local'.
> Proper time interval is a world scalar.
> In plain words: It is the same for every observer,

:))))))))
It is what, Lod?

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 17:31, gharnagel pisze:
> >
> > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, poor Harrie. Anyone can check at GPS,
> > > what real clocks at real  locations measure
> > > has little in common with your  "proper"
> > > delusion.
> >
> > Wozzie-boy is fantasizing again.
>
> If you insist, Harrie...

I'm glad we agree :-)

> > Moronic Maciej doesn't understand what ANYONE says,
> > particularly when he is saying it.
>
> Raving, lying and casting insults won't help,
> poor trash, but what else can you do.

Pot, kettle, black, Wozzie-boy :-))

No raving or lying here, Wozzie, you're just projecting again.

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gharnagel wrote:

> Pot, kettle, black, Wozzie-boy )
> No raving or lying here, Wozzie, you're just projecting again.

so true indeed, I must agree. Here's the 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮_𝙬𝙞𝙠𝙞𝙥𝙚𝙙𝙞𝙖 giving you truth
based on the country of residence, demanding a $20 per truth. Myohmy,
others made the site, now the 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮𝙢 demands the cash for truth.

𝗡𝗣𝗥_𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗽𝗮𝗶𝗱_𝗖𝗘𝗢_𝗺𝘆_𝗮𝘀𝘀_𝗞𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗠𝗮𝗵𝗲𝗿_𝗰𝗹𝗮𝗶𝗺𝘀_𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝘁𝗿𝘂𝘁𝗵_𝗶𝘀_𝗮_𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗧𝗥𝗔𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡
https://b%69%74%63%68%75te.com/%76%69deo/V2LTTy1p4k8

here's another 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮 stealing a country, demanding protection from
gearmony in 𝙥𝙞𝙨𝙧𝙖𝙚𝙡𝙡𝙮_𝙨𝙩𝙮𝙡𝙚. Oh my butt, amazing the impertinence. You
stole a country, with outside foreigner help and support. Which is
*treason* high degree, you stupid 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮𝙢.

𝗞𝗶𝗲𝘃_𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘀_𝗜𝘀𝗿𝗮𝗲𝗹-𝘀𝘁𝘆𝗹𝗲_𝘀𝗲𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗶𝘁𝘆_𝗴𝘂𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗲𝘀
The US must defend Ukraine like it did Israel last weekend, a spokesman
for President Vladimir Zelensky has said
https://www.r%74.com/russia/596090-yermak-us-security-israel/

Zelenskiy needs a frontal lobotomy and castration.

Zeelynski will have to creat a fake hallowcost as the first step.

Therein lies the completely delusional Nazi mentality. The West has found
out the cost of their arrogance when confronting Russia. Defending the
Occupiers in Palestine is somewhat different.

Yeah Zelensky needs protection from murdering civilians. They don't hide
it anymore

Zelensky is a real fool. He haven't figured out Israel and Ukraine are on
different level. Israel is the master of the US. Ukraine is the cannon
fodder of the US.

How did interceptions cost Israel $550 million when you said it yourself
that US, UK and France intercepted the attack?!

These Nazis really should become Polish as they are too stupid to realize
the western neocons have played them into destroying their corrupt
country.

The gringos should mind their own business leave Israel, Ukraine and
Taiwan alone.

US Politicians can't stop laughing at this comedy team in Ukraine. Better
than Saturday Night Live!

Suger daddy is out of cash, you canicula! 😐

Ukr0p, you’re not Jew. Deal with it.

ukrainians believe they are still the salt of the earth as jews do

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 by: Timmie Paitakes - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 14:08 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 17:31, gharnagel pisze:
>> Moronic Maciej doesn't understand what ANYONE says,
>> particularly when he is saying it.
>
> Raving, lying and casting insults won't help,
> poor trash, but what else can you do.

you are not a jew. A happy merchant, much less.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:03 UTC

W dniu 17.04.2024 o 15:22, gharnagel pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 16.04.2024 o 17:31, gharnagel pisze:
>> >
>> > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, poor Harrie. Anyone can check at GPS,
>> > > what real clocks at real  locations measure
>> > > has little in common with your  "proper"
>> > > delusion.
>> > > Wozzie-boy is fantasizing again.
>>
>> If you insist, Harrie...
>
> I'm glad

a lie, of course

we agree :-)

and another.

>> Raving, lying and casting insults won't help,
>> poor trash, but what else can you do.
>
>
> Pot, kettle, black, Wozzie-boy :-))
>
> No raving or lying here, Wozzie, you're just projecting again.

If you insist, Harrie...

W dniu 13.04.2024 o 19:56, gharnagel pisze:
> The "improper" clocks in orbit keep proper time
> only on earth.

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