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Re: New version of my annotations to SRT

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From: mikko.levanto@iki.fi (Mikko)
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Subject: Re: New version of my annotations to SRT
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 by: Mikko - Wed, 21 Feb 2024 09:52 UTC

On 2024-02-20 08:11:10 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

> Am 19.02.2024 um 19:31 schrieb Volney:
> ...
>>>
>>> And, as I had written, my aim was to write annotations into this version.
>>>
>>> You can define your own goals as well, but you should not expect me,
>>> to share any of them.
>>
>> It's perfectly fine for you to move the goalposts all over the place.
>> But don't expect not to get called out for that.
>>>
>>>>> In this context I had critizised the prase 'axis of X', because 'X'
>>>>> was already the name of the x-axis of system K.
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>> Of course a translation of X-Achse to 'axis of X' rather than 'X_axis'
>>>> is hardly the fault of Einstein or a flaw in relativity.
>
> Actually both are wrong, because the tall letters were the name of the
> axes themselves, while small letters were the coordinates.
> 'X-axes' is wrong
> 'X_axis' is wrong
> 'axis of X' is wrong, too.

In Einstein's article its name is "X-Achse" which is correct. No other
name is used in the same article.

--
Mikko

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Subject: Re: New version of my annotations to SRT
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 by: Volney - Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:16 UTC

On 2/20/2024 3:11 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 19.02.2024 um 19:31 schrieb Volney:
>  ...
>>>
>>> And, as I had written, my aim was to write annotations into this
>>> version.
>>>
>>> You can define your own goals as well, but you should not expect me,
>>> to share any of them.
>>
>> It's perfectly fine for you to move the goalposts all over the place.
>> But don't expect not to get called out for that.
>>>
>>>>> In this context I had critizised the prase 'axis of X', because 'X'
>>>>> was already the name of the x-axis of system K.
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>> Of course a translation of X-Achse to 'axis of X' rather than 'X_axis'
>>>> is hardly the fault of Einstein or a flaw in relativity.
>
> Actually both are wrong, because the tall letters were the name of the
> axes themselves, while small letters were the coordinates.
> 'X-axes' is wrong
> 'X_axis' is wrong
> 'axis of X' is wrong, too.
>
> ('x-axis' is correct or possibly 'axis of x')

Why do you claim this? The name of the x axis is just that, a name. It
could be nearly anything. The sensible part would be to associate the
names of the X (Y or Z) axis with the names of the x (y or z) variables
without using the exact same name. Which is what was done, calling the
axis 'X-Achse' and the associated variable 'x'. Similarly for
>
>
>
>>>> Not only are you unqualified to criticize the physics, you are
>>>> apparently unqualified to criticize German-English translations as
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> No, sinced English is a second language for me and German my first.
>>>
>>> Therefore I'm actually qualified to check the translation.
>>>
>> But you didn't catch that.
>>
>>> But that wouldn't mean, that I'm obliged to do that.
>>>
>>> I could check the translation, if I had the wish to do that, but hadn't.
>>
>> You are attempting to criticize a translation of a paper rather than the
>> paper itself. You should either stick to either criticizing the
>> translator (not very useful, the translator wasn't very famous) or
>> criticize the original paper in German if that's your first language.
>> But again, your criticisms of the content is just your misunderstandings
>> and not useful.
>
> Other than you I can speak German very well.

That by itself isn't a qualification.
>
> But there is no point to do that in this UseNet group, were the language
> is English.

You could pick it apart in German with English translations of the
faulty and correct German, and why the faulty German is faulty.
Criticizing a slightly erroneous English translation of both the
original paper and the translation isn't useful.
>
> So, my decision was to write annotations into the English translation,
> which is most commonly used.
>
> You may regard this as questionable, but I think, it is perfectly ok.

The correct procedure would be to annotate the German version and list
the alleged faults and why they are faults separately. But that's a
waste of time, as over the last 100+ years many scientists have pored
over the paper looking for issues but have found none.
>
>
> TH
>

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 by: Teodro Narváez Zuñ - Thu, 22 Feb 2024 19:50 UTC

Volney wrote:

> On 2/20/2024 3:11 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> So, my decision was to write annotations into the English translation,
>> which is most commonly used.
>> You may regard this as questionable, but I think, it is perfectly ok.
>
> The correct procedure would be to annotate the German version and list
> the alleged faults and why they are faults separately. But that's a
> waste of time, as over the last 100+ years many scientists have pored
> over the paper looking for issues but have found none.

you missed the point entirely. Those "scientists" make Einstine celebrity. There are no scientists, lol. And it's strict forbidden in gearmony to say the "scientists" of Einstine were no scientists. I realized the gearmons were so fucking stupid seeing them waiting in queues on parking lots to take the covid vaccine. Extremely stupid people. And poor. I believe they are the poorest in EU.

𝗡𝗛𝗦_𝗪𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗹𝗲𝗯𝗹𝗼𝘄𝗲𝗿:_𝗚𝗼𝘃’𝘁_𝗦𝗲𝗰𝗿𝗲𝘁𝗹𝘆_𝗢𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗱_𝗠𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀_𝗼𝗳_𝗘𝘂𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗮𝘀𝗶𝗮_𝗗𝗿𝘂𝗴𝘀_𝗕𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗲_𝗣𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗶𝗰_
https://th%65%70%65%6f%70%6c%65%73%76oice.tv/nhs-whistleblower-govt-secretly-ordered-millions-of-euthanasia-drugs-before-pandemic/
The British government ordered millions of euthanasia drugs months before the COVID pandemic was publicly declared, according to a senior NHS whistleblower. Graham Atkinson is a pharmacist with over 30 years of senior NHS management experience, […]

𝗖𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀𝗲_𝗡𝗼𝗻-𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗻_𝗠𝗶𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘁_𝗪𝗶𝗹𝗹_𝗢𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗲𝗲_𝗦𝗮𝗻_𝗙𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗶𝘀𝗰𝗼'𝘀_𝗩𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴
https://b%69%74%63%68ute.com/video/rV22x7az6sVq

𝗡𝗲𝗼𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘀_𝗗𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗨𝗦-𝗡𝗲𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗮𝗵𝘂_𝗜𝘀𝗼𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗜𝘀𝗿𝗮𝗲𝗹-𝗖𝗼𝗹._𝗟𝗮𝗿𝗿𝘆_𝗪𝗶𝗹𝗸𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻
https://b%69%74%63%68ute.com/video/mco1NBILkNdE

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗳𝗹𝗶𝗰𝘁_𝗶𝘀_𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁'𝘀_'𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗰_𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁'_-_𝗦𝗰𝗼𝘁𝘁_𝗕𝗲𝗻𝗻𝗲𝘁
https://bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/a8qvmbPhgOPJ/

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 by: Thomas Heger - Fri, 23 Feb 2024 07:33 UTC

Am 22.02.2024 um 17:16 schrieb Volney:

>>>>>> In this context I had critizised the prase 'axis of X', because 'X'
>>>>>> was already the name of the x-axis of system K.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Of course a translation of X-Achse to 'axis of X' rather than 'X_axis'
>>>>> is hardly the fault of Einstein or a flaw in relativity.
>>
>> Actually both are wrong, because the tall letters were the name of the
>> axes themselves, while small letters were the coordinates.
>> 'X-axes' is wrong
>> 'X_axis' is wrong
>> 'axis of X' is wrong, too.
>>
>> ('x-axis' is correct or possibly 'axis of x')
>
> Why do you claim this? The name of the x axis is just that, a name. It
> could be nearly anything. The sensible part would be to associate the
> names of the X (Y or Z) axis with the names of the x (y or z) variables
> without using the exact same name. Which is what was done, calling the
> axis 'X-Achse' and the associated variable 'x'. Similarly for

Actually symbols in equations are 'case sensitive'.

Therefore, 'X' is not equal to 'x'.

(If you think otherwise, you should ask a specialist.)

What is commonly done or used by the public is patently irrelevant in
theoretical physics.

....

TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 22.02.2024 um 17:16 schrieb Volney:
>> Why do you claim this? The name of the x axis is just that, a name. It
>> could be nearly anything. The sensible part would be to associate the
>> names of the X (Y or Z) axis with the names of the x (y or z) variables
>> without using the exact same name. Which is what was done, calling the
>> axis 'X-Achse' and the associated variable 'x'. Similarly for
>
> Actually symbols in equations are 'case sensitive'. Therefore, 'X' is
> not equal to 'x'. (If you think otherwise, you should ask a specialist.)
> What is commonly done or used by the public is patently irrelevant in
> theoretical physics.

actually I start to think you have a big point. These relativists are not
even reading Einstines papers. And if they read, they stupidly go forward
thinking they undrestand. Also, why don't you kill your corrupt terrorist
stupid government, by simply asking:
"𝘄𝗵𝗼_𝗯𝗼𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗱_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗴𝘆_𝗽𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀_𝗡𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗺1_𝗔𝗡𝗗_𝗡𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗺2??"

𝗞𝗶𝗲𝘃’𝘀_𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗼𝗿𝘀_𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱_𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗱_‘𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗲𝗲𝘁’_𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗸𝘀_𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_–_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻_𝗮𝗺𝗯𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗱𝗼𝗿
Engaging in such discussions wouldn’t mean that the West is giving up on
its interests, Andrey Melnik said
https://r%74.com/news/592993-ukraine-talks-melnik-germany/

I'm waiting to see the Russians appear on the border with Poland and
Romania. European farmers are also looking forward to it; Ukrainian wheat
has better destinations than Europe

This is a big problem with Western foreign relations. They confuse
diplomacy with 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿 𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘂𝗽𝘁 𝗺𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗮 𝗿𝗲𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀. Running their mouth in the
media has cut off their options for compromise.

It seems that for the vast majority of European leaders the brain is not
located inside the skull, but near the anus. Scientists are at work

Does not this Melnik know there is a law in Ukraine against talks with
Moscow ? That's exactly why he's asking others to go ask Russia on
Ukraine's behalf

these ugly 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀_𝗯𝗶𝘁𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀 lost the war so badly.

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On 2/23/2024 2:33 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 22.02.2024 um 17:16 schrieb Volney:
>
>>>>>>> In this context I had critizised the prase 'axis of X', because 'X'
>>>>>>> was already the name of the x-axis of system K.
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course a translation of X-Achse to 'axis of X' rather than
>>>>>> 'X_axis'
>>>>>> is hardly the fault of Einstein or a flaw in relativity.
>>>
>>> Actually both are wrong, because the tall letters were the name of the
>>> axes themselves, while small letters were the coordinates.
>>> 'X-axes' is wrong
>>> 'X_axis' is wrong
>>> 'axis of X' is wrong, too.
>>>
>>> ('x-axis' is correct or possibly 'axis of x')
>>
>> Why do you claim this? The name of the x axis is just that, a name. It
>> could be nearly anything. The sensible part would be to associate the
>> names of the X (Y or Z) axis with the names of the x (y or z) variables
>> without using the exact same name. Which is what was done, calling the
>> axis 'X-Achse' and the associated variable 'x'. Similarly for
>
> Actually symbols in equations are 'case sensitive'.
>
> Therefore, 'X' is not equal to 'x'.
>
> (If you think otherwise, you should ask a specialist.)

However in German nouns are always capitalized. The word 'X-Achse' would
always be capitalized as a noun. You didn't mention that, plus you wrote
that translations to 'X_axis' and 'axis of X' are wrong but 'x-axis' and
'axis of x' are correct when in reality you can't differentiate.

You claimed you were qualified to check the translation but you didn't
account for that. A qualified translator would account for that and
would know the German author may not differentiate between capital and
small letters because of the capitalization of nouns introduces ambiguity.
>
> What is commonly done or used by the public is patently irrelevant in
> theoretical physics.
>
And in many cases, what is done in modern papers doesn't apply to 100+
year old papers.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:49 UTC

On 2/23/2024 7:15 AM, Igarashi Sawamatsu wrote:
> these ugly 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀_𝗯𝗶𝘁𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀 lost the war so badly.

Idiot Hanson....

Your "West" won when you began sucking up to them.

You were fooled by transitory situations, leading to think that they are
people to learn from, and be like.

You never recovered from that blunder, Hanson. Are you Russian? Be
responsible and go explain this to Putin.

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 by: Kassin Juárez Velaz - Fri, 23 Feb 2024 22:21 UTC

dementia plagued gay Physfitfreak wrote:

> On 2/23/2024 7:15 AM, Igarashi Sawamatsu wrote:
>> these ugly 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀_𝗯𝗶𝘁𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀 lost the war so badly.
>
> Idiot Hanson.... Your "West" won when you began sucking up to them.
> You were fooled by transitory situations, leading to think that they are
> people to learn from, and be like.
> You never recovered from that blunder, Hanson. Are you Russian? Be
> responsible and go explain this to Putin.

most seemingly, he fucks your mother in she ass, 𝗶𝗳𝗳 alive and healthy.
Don't worry, when time comes it's very simple. Most probably, you are a
gay in public, suffering from dementia. Now go to sleep. And don't fart, I
know what you doing.

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗛𝗮𝘀_𝗟𝗼𝘀𝘁,_𝗜𝘀_𝗣𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗻_𝗪𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴,_𝗡𝗲𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗮𝗵𝘂'𝘀_𝗣𝗼𝗹𝗶𝗰𝘆_-_𝗣𝗮𝘂𝗹_𝗖𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗴_𝗥𝗼𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘁𝘀
https://b%69%74%63hute.com/video/AjoeKJ7cBwj5

2024-02-22_𝗗𝗮𝗶𝗹𝘆_𝗧𝗡
https://b%69%74%63hute.com/video/dmvMHpp9UmaD

𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮_𝗶𝘀_𝗮_𝗽𝗼𝘄𝗲𝗿_𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵_‘𝗲𝗻𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗼𝘂𝘀_𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻_𝗼𝗳_𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗿𝗮𝗳𝘁’_–_𝗡𝗲𝘄_𝗗𝗲𝗹𝗵𝗶
India’s foreign minister suggested countries in Asia should engage with
Moscow as it looks for new partnerships
https://r%74.com/india/593031-russia-india-china-ties/

𝗛𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝘆_𝗯𝗹𝗼𝗰𝗸𝘀_𝗷𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁_𝗘𝗨_𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁_𝗼𝗻_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗮𝗿𝘆_–_𝗺𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗮
The bloc’s three leading officials released a condemnation of Russia
instead
https://r%74.com/news/593046-hungary-eu-ukraine-statement/

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗰𝗮𝗻_𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗹𝗼𝘆_𝗙-16𝘀_𝘁𝗼_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝗱𝗲𝗲𝗽_𝗶𝗻𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮_–_𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗢
Kiev will be able to use the fighter jets outside its claimed borders, the
bloc’s head has said
https://r%74.com/news/593023-nato-ukraine-strike-russia/

𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 Stoltenberg is 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 Breivik's partner in crime. Stinking,
dirty, putrid 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀.

this is what happens 𝗡𝗢𝗧 punishing the 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 nato, which 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆
ruled states terrorists, bombs infrastructures at the bottom of the sea,
as exercises.

𝗕𝗔𝗟𝗧𝗢𝗣𝗦22_(𝗕𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗶𝗰_𝗢𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀_2022)
These countries will exercise a myriad of capabilities, demonstrating the
inherent flexibility of 𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲_𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀. Exercise scenarios include 𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗵𝗶𝗯𝗶𝗼𝘂𝘀,
gunnery, 𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗶-𝘀𝘂𝗯𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗲, air defense, and 𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀, as well as
𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗱𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗮𝗹, unmanned 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 and surface 𝘃𝗲𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗹𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗲𝗿𝗰𝗶𝘀𝗲𝘀, and
medical responses.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/06/baltops-2023-exercise-kicks-
off-in-the-baltic-sea/

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 by: Suárez Romà De la - Fri, 23 Feb 2024 22:32 UTC

dementia plagued gay Physfitfreak wrote:

> On 2/23/2024 7:15 AM, Igarashi Sawamatsu wrote:
>> these ugly 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀_𝗯𝗶𝘁𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀 lost the war so badly.
>
> Idiot Hanson.... Your "West" won when you began sucking up to them.
> You were fooled by transitory situations, leading to think that they are

most seemingly, he fucks your mother in she ass, 𝗶𝗳𝗳 alive and healthy.
Don't worry, when time comes it's very simple. Most probably, you are a
gay in public, suffering from dementia. Now go to sleep. And don't fart, I
know what you doing.

𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮_𝗶𝘀_𝗮_𝗽𝗼𝘄𝗲𝗿_𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵_‘𝗲𝗻𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗼𝘂𝘀_𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻_𝗼𝗳_𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗿𝗮𝗳𝘁’_–_𝗡𝗲𝘄_𝗗𝗲𝗹𝗵𝗶
India’s foreign minister suggested countries in Asia should engage with
Moscow as it looks for new partnerships
https://r%74.com/india/593031-russia-india-china-ties/

𝗛𝘂𝗻𝗴𝗮𝗿𝘆_𝗯𝗹𝗼𝗰𝗸𝘀_𝗷𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁_𝗘𝗨_𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁_𝗼𝗻_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗮𝗿𝘆_–_𝗺𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗮
The bloc’s three leading officials released a condemnation of Russia
instead https://r%74.com/news/593046-hungary-eu-ukraine-statement/

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗰𝗮𝗻_𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗹𝗼𝘆_𝗙-16𝘀_𝘁𝗼_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝗱𝗲𝗲𝗽_𝗶𝗻𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮_–_𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗢
Kiev will be able to use the fighter jets outside its claimed borders, the
bloc’s head has said
https://r%74.com/news/593023-nato-ukraine-strike-russia/

𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 Stoltenberg is 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 Breivik's partner in crime. Stinking,
dirty, putrid 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀.

this is what happens 𝗡𝗢𝗧 punishing the 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 nato, which
𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 ruled states terrorists, bombs infrastructures at the bottom of
the sea, as exercises.

𝗕𝗔𝗟𝗧𝗢𝗣𝗦22_(𝗕𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗶𝗰_𝗢𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀_2022)
These countries will exercise a myriad of capabilities, demonstrating the
inherent flexibility of 𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲_𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀. Exercise scenarios include
𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗵𝗶𝗯𝗶𝗼𝘂𝘀, gunnery, 𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗶-𝘀𝘂𝗯𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗲, air defense, and 𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲
𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀, as well as 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗱𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗮𝗹, unmanned 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿
and surface 𝘃𝗲𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗹𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗲𝗿𝗰𝗶𝘀𝗲𝘀, and medical responses.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/06/baltops-2023-exercise-kicks-off-in-the-baltic-sea/

2024-02-22_𝗗𝗮𝗶𝗹𝘆_𝗧𝗡
https://b%69%74%63hute.com/video/dmvMHpp9UmaD

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 by: Physfitfreak - Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:31 UTC

On 2/23/2024 4:21 PM, Kassin Juárez Velazquez wrote:
> dementia plagued gay Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2024 7:15 AM, Igarashi Sawamatsu wrote:
>>> these ugly 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀_𝗯𝗶𝘁𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀 lost the war so badly.
>>
>> Idiot Hanson.... Your "West" won when you began sucking up to them.
>> You were fooled by transitory situations, leading to think that they are
>> people to learn from, and be like.
>> You never recovered from that blunder, Hanson. Are you Russian? Be
>> responsible and go explain this to Putin.
>
> most seemingly, he fucks your mother in she ass, 𝗶𝗳𝗳 alive and healthy.
> Don't worry, when time comes it's very simple. Most probably, you are a
> gay in public, suffering from dementia. Now go to sleep. And don't fart, I
> know what you doing.
>

Yes Hanson, truth hits hard. Did Putin do something to you when you told
him what I said?

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Sat, 24 Feb 2024 00:27 UTC

Hey, have some respect for the death of Thai spam here,
and flood your useless mouthshit somewhere else.

You're either talking about "Heger's SRT" or start
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 by: Thomas Heger - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 08:00 UTC

Am 10.02.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Mikko:
> On 2024-02-10 07:08:11 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>
>> Am 08.02.2024 um 10:05 schrieb Mikko:
>>
>>>> I was actually a HYPOTHETICAL professor (in my role as writer of these
>>>> annotations).
>>>>
>>>> The method goes like this:
>>>>
>>>> imagine you were a professor and had to write corrections for the
>>>> homework of a student (Albert Einstein in this case).
>>>>
>>>> The 'homework' is the text in question ('On the electrodynamics of
>>>> moving bodies' in this case).
>>>>
>>>> So my 'duty' would be to write annotations, where I give the student a
>>>> few hints, how to avoid errors next time.
>>>>
>>>> I found 428 errors in Einstein's text and therefore wrote so many
>>>> annotations.
>>>
>>> As the hypothesis that you be a professor is counterfactual, so
>>> is the hypothesis that the annotations be worth of consideration.
>>
>> I have not said, that I'm a professor.
>
> Doesn't matter, your annotations wouldn't be worth of consderation
> even if you were.

I don't see it like that.

In science any critique should be dealt with, from wherever this
critique may come.

If scientists fail to disprove something, then this something will remain.

This would cause a disaster, because if the critique turns out to be
valid some day, then everything done inbetween will be wasted effords.

>
>> I wrote, that I play the role of a hypothetical professor, who had to
>> write annotations into the homework of a student.
>>
>> This is actually a form of 'critical reading' and has absolutely
>> nothing to do with my profession.
>>
>> It is a learning method and an itellectual challenge.
>
> If it were an effective learning method you would have learned already.

Oh, but I have learned a LOT!

Now I can almost sing 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'
(supposed it had inspired a musician to provide notes).

TH

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 by: Mikko - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 08:39 UTC

On 2024-04-05 08:00:52 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

> Am 10.02.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Mikko:
>> On 2024-02-10 07:08:11 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>
>>> Am 08.02.2024 um 10:05 schrieb Mikko:
>>>
>>>>> I was actually a HYPOTHETICAL professor (in my role as writer of these
>>>>> annotations).
>>>>>
>>>>> The method goes like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> imagine you were a professor and had to write corrections for the
>>>>> homework of a student (Albert Einstein in this case).
>>>>>
>>>>> The 'homework' is the text in question ('On the electrodynamics of
>>>>> moving bodies' in this case).
>>>>>
>>>>> So my 'duty' would be to write annotations, where I give the student a
>>>>> few hints, how to avoid errors next time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found 428 errors in Einstein's text and therefore wrote so many
>>>>> annotations.
>>>>
>>>> As the hypothesis that you be a professor is counterfactual, so
>>>> is the hypothesis that the annotations be worth of consideration.
>>>
>>> I have not said, that I'm a professor.
>>
>> Doesn't matter, your annotations wouldn't be worth of consderation
>> even if you were.
>
> I don't see it like that.
>
> In science any critique should be dealt with, from wherever this
> critique may come.

"On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" is a historical document.
After its publication science has moved on so much that no comment
to it is relevant to today's education or science.

> If scientists fail to disprove something, then this something will remain.

Perhaps as a possibility.

> This would cause a disaster, because if the critique turns out to be
> valid some day, then everything done inbetween will be wasted effords.

There are always wasted efforts. Your "annotations" is a good example.
But efforts that result in determination of what is or is not valid
are not wasted.

>>> I wrote, that I play the role of a hypothetical professor, who had to
>>> write annotations into the homework of a student.
>>>
>>> This is actually a form of 'critical reading' and has absolutely
>>> nothing to do with my profession.
>>>
>>> It is a learning method and an itellectual challenge.
>>
>> If it were an effective learning method you would have learned already.
>
> Oh, but I have learned a LOT!

Does that include anything that could be mentioned here?

> Now I can almost sing 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'
> (supposed it had inspired a musician to provide notes).

Hardly a useful skill if only almost.

--
Mikko

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 by: Thomas Heger - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 05:50 UTC

Am Sonntag000018, 18.02.2024 um 12:00 schrieb Mikko:
> On 2024-02-18 05:48:12 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>
>> Am 17.02.2024 um 17:16 schrieb Python:
>>> Le 17/02/2024 à 15:40, Mikko a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-02-17 13:33:38 +0000, Python said:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 17/02/2024 à 11:47, Mikko a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-02-17 09:36:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 16.02.2024 um 09:46 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-16 06:20:15 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [ … ]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can you quote the sentence in question?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sure:
>>>>>>>>> page 22, roughly in the middle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We will now determine the kinetic energy of the electron. If an
>>>>>>>>> electron moves from rest at the origin of co-ordinates of the
>>>>>>>>> system K
>>>>>>>>> along the axis of X under the action of an electrostatic force X,
>>>>>>>>> ..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this your translation? Is "the axis of X" what is normally
>>>>>>>> called the
>>>>>>>> x-axis in English? Maybe you could quote it in German so that
>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> who knows more German than I do can comment. Anyway, I agree that
>>>>>>>> calling the abscissa axis the x-axis is not ideal, but it's very
>>>>>>>> commonly done. In that case X is not a variable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm actually critizising a certain text, not the work of Einstein
>>>>>>> per se.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, my topic is this particular English translation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When a real professor evaluates a translation the main criterion is
>>>>>> whether the translation preseves the meaning of the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway this kinda sloppy translation is not quite a big deal, there
>>>>> is absolutely no ambiguity. Moreover Heger was pretending that "A"
>>>>> was used with two different meanings in a single sentence, not "X",
>>>>> so he is blatantly lying (again).
>>>>
>>>> The symbol A is indeed used in several different meanings but the
>>>> meaning is always specified. But Heger also claimed (falsely) that
>>>> Einstein used X in two different meanings in the same sentence:
>>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-16 07:20, Thomas Heger said:
>>>>> Am 15.02.2024 um 11:32 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>>>>> Den 15.02.2024 07:10, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>>
>>>>>>> But Einstein gave this another kick and used the same symbol twice
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> different meanings within a single sentence.
>>>>
>>>>>> Can you quote the sentence in question?
>>>>
>>>>> sure:
>>>>> page 22, roughly in the middle
>>>>>
>>>>> "We will now determine the kinetic energy of the electron. If an
>>>>> electron moves from rest at the origin of co-ordinates of the system
>>>>> K along the axis of X under the action of an electrostatic force X,
>>>>> ..."
>>>>
>>>> In Einstein's text "X-Achse" is clearly different from plain "X".
>>>
>>> Definitely.
>>>
>> the 'x-Achse' had a name,
>
> True.
>
>>  which was 'X'.
>
> No, its name was "X-Achse", and still is.
>

No, that's wrong.

If 'x-Achse' ('x-axis' in German) was named 'X', then 'X-Achse' would be
in long form:

'x-Achse-Achse'

because the text 'x-Achse' is equal to the string 'X' by this definition.

Combining two strings is like putting them together and we get:

'X-Achse' = 'x-Achse' + 'Achse' = 'x-Achse-Achse'

And Einstein did in fact use 'X' as name of the x-axis of system K.

The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
Xsi, Eta and Zeta.

Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names had
to be used.

But Einstein used also X, Y and Z as names of the axes of system k, too.

He also used X, Y and Z as components of the electric field strength vector.

This culminated in twice the same symbol 'X' in the same sentence, but
with two different meanings.

In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections, I
freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big red 'F' on the first
page on the paper.

TH

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 by: Mikko - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 07:38 UTC

On 2024-04-19 05:50:28 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

> Am Sonntag000018, 18.02.2024 um 12:00 schrieb Mikko:
>> On 2024-02-18 05:48:12 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>
>>> Am 17.02.2024 um 17:16 schrieb Python:
>>>> Le 17/02/2024 à 15:40, Mikko a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-02-17 13:33:38 +0000, Python said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 17/02/2024 à 11:47, Mikko a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-17 09:36:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 16.02.2024 um 09:46 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-16 06:20:15 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ … ]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you quote the sentence in question?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sure:
>>>>>>>>>> page 22, roughly in the middle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We will now determine the kinetic energy of the electron. If an
>>>>>>>>>> electron moves from rest at the origin of co-ordinates of the
>>>>>>>>>> system K
>>>>>>>>>> along the axis of X under the action of an electrostatic force X,
>>>>>>>>>> ..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this your translation? Is "the axis of X" what is normally
>>>>>>>>> called the
>>>>>>>>> x-axis in English? Maybe you could quote it in German so that someone
>>>>>>>>> who knows more German than I do can comment. Anyway, I agree that
>>>>>>>>> calling the abscissa axis the x-axis is not ideal, but it's very
>>>>>>>>> commonly done. In that case X is not a variable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm actually critizising a certain text, not the work of Einstein
>>>>>>>> per se.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, my topic is this particular English translation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When a real professor evaluates a translation the main criterion is
>>>>>>> whether the translation preseves the meaning of the text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway this kinda sloppy translation is not quite a big deal, there
>>>>>> is absolutely no ambiguity. Moreover Heger was pretending that "A"
>>>>>> was used with two different meanings in a single sentence, not "X",
>>>>>> so he is blatantly lying (again).
>>>>>
>>>>> The symbol A is indeed used in several different meanings but the
>>>>> meaning is always specified. But Heger also claimed (falsely) that
>>>>> Einstein used X in two different meanings in the same sentence:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-16 07:20, Thomas Heger said:
>>>>>> Am 15.02.2024 um 11:32 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>>>>>> Den 15.02.2024 07:10, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Einstein gave this another kick and used the same symbol twice
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> different meanings within a single sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you quote the sentence in question?
>>>>>
>>>>>> sure:
>>>>>> page 22, roughly in the middle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We will now determine the kinetic energy of the electron. If an
>>>>>> electron moves from rest at the origin of co-ordinates of the system
>>>>>> K along the axis of X under the action of an electrostatic force X, ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> In Einstein's text "X-Achse" is clearly different from plain "X".
>>>>
>>>> Definitely.
>>>>
>>> the 'x-Achse' had a name,
>>
>> True.
>>
>>>  which was 'X'.
>>
>> No, its name was "X-Achse", and still is.
>>
>
> No, that's wrong.
>
> If 'x-Achse' ('x-axis' in German) was named 'X', then 'X-Achse' would
> be in long form:

"X-Achse" is a single word. It means wohat it means, independently of
what it parts might otherwise mean, just like the meaning of the word
"fair" is independent of the meaning of the word "air".

--
Mikko

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 by: Python - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 08:23 UTC

Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
[...]
> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>
> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names had
> to be used.

Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing $\xi$"
a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
"Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"

> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections, I
> freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big red 'F' on the first
> page on the paper.

In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
advise you to buy glasses.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:40 UTC

W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
> [...]
>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>
>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names had
>> to be used.
>
> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
> emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing $\xi$"
> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>
>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections,
>> I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big red 'F' on the
>> first page on the paper.
>
> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
> advise you to buy glasses.
>
>

Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
and trying again to pretend he knows something.
Tell me, poor stinker, have you already learnt
what a function is? Are you still trying to
determine its properties applying a French
definition of a different word?

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 by: Python - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 15:56 UTC

Le 19/04/2024 à 17:40, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
>> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> [...]
>>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>>
>>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names
>>> had to be used.
>>
>> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
>> emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing $\xi$"
>> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
>> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>>
>>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write corrections,
>>> I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big red 'F' on the
>>> first page on the paper.
>>
>> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
>> advise you to buy glasses.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
> and trying again to pretend he knows something.

I can recognize the appearances of a greek letter in an
article, can you?

> Tell me, poor stinker, have you already  learnt
> what a function is? Are you still trying to
> determine its properties applying a French
> definition of a different word?

Still fighting with words and facts Wozmaniak ?

I'm not "trying to determine properties" of functions
using a definition of a different word. Is there a
single time in your miserable life were you didn't
misunderstand a single thing and didn't misrepresent
it when posting about it? I guess not. It never
happened here.

I only stated years ago, what seems to obsess you
for some reason, that how functions are defined in
the French academic system, especially college, is
slightly different to how it is in most other countries
(I don't know about Poland, for instance) since the 60s/70s.

I really wonder why it bothers you, as it is a simple
verifiable fact.

There is "no different word" involved here. Your level
of confusion is fractally absurd Wozmaniak.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:50 UTC

W dniu 19.04.2024 o 17:56, Python pisze:
> Le 19/04/2024 à 17:40, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>> [...]
>>>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>>>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>>>
>>>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names
>>>> had to be used.
>>>
>>> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
>>> emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing $\xi$"
>>> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
>>> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>>>
>>>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write
>>>> corrections, I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big
>>>> red 'F' on the first page on the paper.
>>>
>>> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
>>> advise you to buy glasses.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
>> and trying again to pretend he knows something.
>
> I can recognize the appearances of a greek letter in an
> article, can you?
>
>> Tell me, poor stinker, have you already  learnt
>> what a function is? Are you still trying to
>> determine its properties applying a French
>> definition of a different word?
>
> Still fighting with words and facts Wozmaniak ?
>
> I'm not "trying to determine properties" of functions
> using a definition of a different word.

Well, yes, poor stinker, you are.

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 by: Python - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 20:43 UTC

Le 19/04/2024 à 21:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 17:56, Python pisze:
>> Le 19/04/2024 à 17:40, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>> [...]
>>>>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>>>>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names
>>>>> had to be used.
>>>>
>>>> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
>>>> emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing $\xi$"
>>>> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
>>>> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>>>>
>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write
>>>>> corrections, I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big
>>>>> red 'F' on the first page on the paper.
>>>>
>>>> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
>>>> advise you to buy glasses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
>>> and trying again to pretend he knows something.
>>
>> I can recognize the appearances of a greek letter in an
>> article, can you?
>>
>>> Tell me, poor stinker, have you already  learnt
>>> what a function is? Are you still trying to
>>> determine its properties applying a French
>>> definition of a different word?
>>
>> Still fighting with words and facts Wozmaniak ?
>>
>> I'm not "trying to determine properties" of functions
>> using a definition of a different word.
>
>
> Well, yes, poor stinker, you are.
>

Not quite. What made you thing so Wozmaniak?

Re: New version of my annotations to SRT

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:26 UTC

W dniu 19.04.2024 o 22:43, Python pisze:
> Le 19/04/2024 à 21:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 17:56, Python pisze:
>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 17:40, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
>>>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>>>>>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these names
>>>>>> had to be used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
>>>>> emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing
>>>>> $\xi$"
>>>>> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
>>>>> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write
>>>>>> corrections, I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big
>>>>>> red 'F' on the first page on the paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
>>>>> advise you to buy glasses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
>>>> and trying again to pretend he knows something.
>>>
>>> I can recognize the appearances of a greek letter in an
>>> article, can you?
>>>
>>>> Tell me, poor stinker, have you already  learnt
>>>> what a function is? Are you still trying to
>>>> determine its properties applying a French
>>>> definition of a different word?
>>>
>>> Still fighting with words and facts Wozmaniak ?
>>>
>>> I'm not "trying to determine properties" of functions
>>> using a definition of a different word.
>>
>>
>> Well, yes, poor stinker, you are.
>>
>
> Not quite. What made you thing so Wozmaniak?

Tell me better, what made you think French
fonction and English function are the same words.
Are their definitions identical (after the
translation)?

>
>

Re: New version of my annotations to SRT

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From: python@invalid.org (Python)
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Subject: Re: New version of my annotations to SRT
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 23:30:12 +0200
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 by: Python - Fri, 19 Apr 2024 21:30 UTC

Le 19/04/2024 à 23:26, Maciej Wozmaniak a écrit :
> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 22:43, Python pisze:
>> Le 19/04/2024 à 21:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 17:56, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 17:40, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
>>>>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>>>>>>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these
>>>>>>> names had to be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of light
>>>>>> emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the increasing
>>>>>> $\xi$"
>>>>>> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
>>>>>> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write
>>>>>>> corrections, I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a big
>>>>>>> red 'F' on the first page on the paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
>>>>>> advise you to buy glasses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
>>>>> and trying again to pretend he knows something.
>>>>
>>>> I can recognize the appearances of a greek letter in an
>>>> article, can you?
>>>>
>>>>> Tell me, poor stinker, have you already  learnt
>>>>> what a function is? Are you still trying to
>>>>> determine its properties applying a French
>>>>> definition of a different word?
>>>>
>>>> Still fighting with words and facts Wozmaniak ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not "trying to determine properties" of functions
>>>> using a definition of a different word.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, yes, poor stinker, you are.
>>>
>>
>> Not quite. What made you thing so Wozmaniak?
>
> Tell me better, what made you think French
> fonction and English function are the same words.
> Are their definitions identical (after the
> translation)?

LOL! Maybe function in American English and British English
are different words too? Who knows what could happen in the
fancy universe of Maciej Wozmaniak?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 20 Apr 2024 03:47 UTC

W dniu 19.04.2024 o 23:30, Python pisze:
> Le 19/04/2024 à 23:26, Maciej Wozmaniak a écrit :
>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 22:43, Python pisze:
>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 21:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 17:56, Python pisze:
>>>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 17:40, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 10:23, Python pisze:
>>>>>>> Le 19/04/2024 à 07:50, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> The system k had tall Greek letters as names of the axes:
>>>>>>>> Xsi, Eta and Zeta.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here Einstein made an error, too, because once defined these
>>>>>>>> names had to be used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xsi intervenes several times from the sentence "For a ray of
>>>>>>> light emitted at the time $\tau =0$ in the direction of the
>>>>>>> increasing $\xi$"
>>>>>>> a few paragraphs later. All of them intervenes after the sentence
>>>>>>> "Substituting for x' its value, we obtain :"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical professor, who had to write
>>>>>>>> corrections, I freaked out a little at this point and wrote a
>>>>>>>> big red 'F' on the first page on the paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my role as a hypothetical ophthalmologist I freak out a lot and
>>>>>>> advise you to buy glasses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
>>>>>> and trying again to pretend he knows something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can recognize the appearances of a greek letter in an
>>>>> article, can you?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me, poor stinker, have you already  learnt
>>>>>> what a function is? Are you still trying to
>>>>>> determine its properties applying a French
>>>>>> definition of a different word?
>>>>>
>>>>> Still fighting with words and facts Wozmaniak ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not "trying to determine properties" of functions
>>>>> using a definition of a different word.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, yes, poor stinker, you are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not quite. What made you thing so Wozmaniak?
>>
>> Tell me better, what made you think French
>> fonction and English function are the same words.
>> Are their definitions identical (after the
>> translation)?
>
> LOL! Maybe function in American English and British English
> are different words too?

Maybe.
And maybe "mammal" is different than "animal",
even if a dolphin belongs to both classes.

So, what made you think French fonction and
English function are the same words.
Are their definitions identical (after the
translation)?

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 by: Chaunce Rebeka Ureñ - Sat, 20 Apr 2024 12:48 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> W dniu 19.04.2024 o 23:30, Python pisze:
>> LOL! Maybe function in American English and British English are
>> different words too?
>
> Maybe. And maybe "mammal" is different than "animal",
> even if a dolphin belongs to both classes.
> So, what made you think French fonction and English function are the
> same words. Are their definitions identical (after the translation)?

a Function Block is different from a function, as the block has the process
built in.

correspondingly, a function needs the mapping process attached, to make it
a function block. But these unwashed 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀 of ukrane and polakia made
stealing and begging for money legal, so they are occupying governments in
europe and other continents.

they are now even asking big countries and continents
*_"what,_you_are_not_giving_money_to_ukrane??_that's_antisemitic"_*

so they know where your money are and how you made it. Which can be made to
be illegal in a microsecond. Since money making is illegal by definition.
The 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝗺 of ukrane and polakia 𝗶𝘀_𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗼𝘄𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘆𝗼𝘂 to make money.

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